Osteo-arthritis, HELP

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Thank you Dr Wallach for my good health.
 

My sister told me yesterday she had stopped using the gelatin, which I got her started on. The reason I believe in some things being healed is because I had a painful knuckle on my hand. I had worked in a warehouse picking and packing bulk foods, and from over-use, somehow crippled up my hands, the knuckle getting the worst of it. This was in 2010, and although my hands didn't have actual pain, just stiffness, that finger would just about kill me if I rolled over on it etc. I bumped it on my steering wheel and thought I was going to run off the road it hurt so bad.

So then I join this site and meet Doug, hear his story, and start gelatin (about 6 mon. ago now I believe). I drink gelatin almost every day in my tea (herbal), and just after 2 months, I think it was, I noticed the pain going away, and tenderness. It's gone now, totally. I bumped it just yesterday, and the memory of the pain I had in it scared me so I just stood there waiting for it. It never came. I could say "time healed it" except for the fact that the pain was progressive, it got worse and worse since 2010, now it's gone.

Call it anything you like, or believe anything you like, but I will continue drinking gelatin (tbsp a day in my tea).

Denise

Ps On Seabreeze post, I totally eat nutritional foods as well now, I mean as much as I can find in a store since I don't have my own garden;)
 
QuickSilver said:
Just be careful.... the guy is a quack....Chicken cartilage in orange juice is not going to do a thing for you. If your symptoms get worse.. see a real doctor.. That's all I can tell you.. the choice is yours.
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Hi QS,

I understand your thoughts on this, but I have to tell you that over the last couple of months, I have discovered at least one, quack cardiologist, and quite a few drug-pushers in the conventional med world. I am not saying I think every natural med doc is right, I'm just saying there is good and bad in both sides.
 

nwlady said:
My sister told me yesterday she had stopped using the gelatin, which I got her started on. The reason I believe in some things being healed is because I had a painful knuckle on my hand. I had worked in a warehouse picking and packing bulk foods, and from over-use, somehow crippled up my hands, the knuckle getting the worst of it. This was in 2010, and although my hands didn't have actual pain, just stiffness, that finger would just about kill me if I rolled over on it etc. I bumped it on my steering wheel and thought I was going to run off the road it hurt so bad.

So then I join this site and meet Doug, hear his story, and start gelatin (about 6 mon. ago now I believe). I drink gelatin almost every day in my tea (herbal), and just after 2 months, I think it was, I noticed the pain going away, and tenderness. It's gone now, totally. I bumped it just yesterday, and the memory of the pain I had in it scared me so I just stood there waiting for it. It never came. I could say "time healed it" except for the fact that the pain was progressive, it got worse and worse since 2010, now it's gone.

Call it anything you like, or believe anything you like, but I will continue drinking gelatin (tbsp a day in my tea).

Denise

Ps On Seabreeze post, I totally eat nutritional foods as well now, I mean as much as I can find in a store since I don't have my own garden;)
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Most likely time and rest of the over worked joint did the trick. Gelatin is not going to do anything for you. However it probabley won't hurt you so if you believe it was that no harm done. Just be careful and if you find your symptoms returning see a real doctor.
 
QuickSilver said:
Most likely time and rest of the over worked joint did the trick. Gelatin is not going to do anything for you. However it probabley won't hurt you so if you believe it was that no harm done. Just be careful and if you find your symptoms returning see a real doctor.
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I'm sorry to have to disagree, but as I mentioned, the pain increased over time, and no longer doing the job. If you believe conventional medicine is the only way, then that is what works for you. But you haven't walked in my shoes. I extend the same courtesy to you in telling you to be careful with doctors who offer up nothing but surgery and pills as fix-alls. I think we all need to be careful, and pay attention to our own bodies, not just "blindly" entrust them to someone else.

I'm looking forward to the day when we can see the kind of doctor we want to, not be forced to see a certain, type of doc because of our insurance.
 
I shattered my left leg about 10 years ago and a few years after surgery had pain in my left foot. Went to a rheumatogist (sp) , ex-rays taken, pre-osteoporosis. I was put on vitamin D3 and within a few months pain gone. I have stayed on this since, eat a low carb diet and have very few pain days in warm weather. Winter weather or changes in the barometer do cause stiffness and pain and I take Aleve, keep my leg warm with knee socks but do move around which also helps. Staying in bed makes it worse. If I wake up stiff I use a heating pad for a while and then I'm up walking. I try to keep the mind busy so I'm not focused on my leg.
 
Gemini D said:
I shattered my left leg about 10 years ago and a few years after surgery had pain in my left foot. Went to a rheumatogist (sp) , ex-rays taken, pre-osteoporosis. I was put on vitamin D3 and within a few months pain gone. I have stayed on this since, eat a low carb diet and have very few pain days in warm weather. Winter weather or changes in the barometer do cause stiffness and pain and I take Aleve, keep my leg warm with knee socks but do move around which also helps. Staying in bed makes it worse. If I wake up stiff I use a heating pad for a while and then I'm up walking. I try to keep the mind busy so I'm not
focused on my leg.
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I also take vitamin D3 along with my calcium as it helps bone absorb calcium. I don't have Osteoporosis, but like most post menopausal women I am borderline osteopenic. Hoping to keep all the bone I have.
 
Gemini D said:
I shattered my left leg about 10 years ago and a few years after surgery had pain in my left foot. Went to a rheumatogist (sp) , ex-rays taken, pre-osteoporosis. I was put on vitamin D3 and within a few months pain gone. I have stayed on this since, eat a low carb diet and have very few pain days in warm weather. Winter weather or changes in the barometer do cause stiffness and pain and I take Aleve, keep my leg warm with knee socks but do move around which also helps. Staying in bed makes it worse. If I wake up stiff I use a heating pad for a while and then I'm up walking. I try to keep the mind busy so I'm not focused on my leg.
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Hi Gemini,

One thing my sister doesn't do enough of is move around. I know for myself, I don't have osteo, but just in aging itself, I've noticed those aches and pains come way more if I'm not staying in motion of some sort. I just mean walking for 30 minutes a day, or longer sometimes. It's hard to watch someone deteriorate and not be willing to try a few things that might help them. I keep a bottle of Aleve on hand, as well as regular aspirin.

I'm also low carb, well, I eat a ton of fruit so just the white-flour type. I lost 10 lbs cutting out white potatos, jasmine rice, white pasta. I still have them like once a week, but not how I was pigging them before. I eat most of my fave vegies raw now, proteins, real butter, Oils (mainly coconut and Olive). I think it is not only beneficial, but fun to eat well. No hunger pains in between meals, and I rarely snack anymore, just not craving anything. But if I want to I do, and I haven't gained weight in 6 months. Basically started the no white flour thing the same time I did the gelatin.

Who knows, but if it works, don't fix it;) Good for you, so happy to hear of your recovery, I can't imagine my whole leg being shattered. It does get easier to eat right 90% or more of the time, imo;) Then when my sis bakes a pie, I have no guilt digging into it, LOL!!
 
Keep your body and brain as active as you can. Due to my leg injury and back surgery (rods & lots of screws) I am limited in what I can do. No long walks, working in the garden, no ladders, etc. I don't have a car and since I can't walk far or when I need things done I call for help. My kids are grown and out of town but when one does visit they are great about fixing what needs fixing.

I've been making yogurt and using in recipes. Just started making bread, low-carb, and it turned out okay but needs a bit of flavor adjusting. I do love homemade ice cream and that is my one treat using heavy cream. I'm slowly losing the 15 lbs...dropped about 5 the last couple of weeks and feel I have more energy eating less carbs.

My brother died a few months ago at 75 and the last few years it was painful to talk with him. He was not watching his diet and was now diabetic 2. I sent him easy recipes and tips which he ignored and I knew he was going downhill and I couldn't do anything. Some people cannot accept changing and although it saddens us we're not guilty for the lifestyle they've chosen.

I'm off to make some low carb peanut butter cookies...a recipe I just found earlier and want to try...
 
This is a very long post so obviously I haven't taken time to read all of it. I will tell you about my experience, though.

About fifteen years ago, I was having excruciating knee pain in my left knee. Doc said I might possibly need replacement surgery. X-ray showed nearly all the cartilage was gone. About that time, I was reading about the benefits of Gloucasomine -chondrointin . I decided to try it. I took it for five or six years. Maybe longer, can't remember for sure. For some reason, he X-rayed the knee again. The X-ray showed perfect cartilage. So it worked for me. This is not "I think it did" but X-ray proof that it did.
 
Some people on this post says that is impossible but I know it can be done glad to hear you are doing good. All the best to you.
 
Gemini D said:
Keep your body and brain as active as you can. Due to my leg injury and back surgery (rods & lots of screws) I am limited in what I can do. No long walks, working in the garden, no ladders, etc. I don't have a car and since I can't walk far or when I need things done I call for help. My kids are grown and out of town but when one does visit they are great about fixing what needs fixing.

I've been making yogurt and using in recipes. Just started making bread, low-carb, and it turned out okay but needs a bit of flavor adjusting. I do love homemade ice cream and that is my one treat using heavy cream. I'm slowly losing the 15 lbs...dropped about 5 the last couple of weeks and feel I have more energy eating less carbs.

My brother died a few months ago at 75 and the last few years it was painful to talk with him. He was not watching his diet and was now diabetic 2. I sent him easy recipes and tips which he ignored and I knew he was going downhill and I couldn't do anything. Some people cannot accept changing and although it saddens us we're not guilty for the lifestyle they've chosen.

I'm off to make some low carb peanut butter cookies...a recipe I just found earlier and want to try...
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I admire you a lot Gemini, you are dealing with a lot, but you try. I think with some alternative options, unless you try, you just won't know. Sadly, even I realize it is way easier to take a pill then to spend the time it takes to research, and find healthier choices in nutrition.

I'll never forget the doctors filling me full of anti-biotics as I had chronic sinus infections. One time I had one for 3 months until it felt I had a head full of cement. I didn't go back for yet another anti-biotic, instead, I went and typed in "alternative choices for sinus infection". The first thing that popped up was Apple Cider Vinegar (as some out there start gagging) LOL! Well, for me it was worth a try so I went straight to the cupboard, poured a tbsp of it into a glass, and just enough water to be able to get'er down. This is no lie, I have no reason to lie, but I went back to the couch where I was lying around as my equilibrium was screwed up so bad. I laid down, after chugging down the ACV, and within seconds (not minutes) I felt "the cement" start moving. I knew I was either kissing my butt goodbye, or, something wonderful was happening.

In 2 days, I was well, after wanting to die for the last 3. By the way, I do not get sinus infections any longer, haven't had one since that day. If I feel a cold or anything like a sore throat, I take a dose. Knock on wood;)
 
Shirley said:
This is a very long post so obviously I haven't taken time to read all of it. I will tell you about my experience, though.

About fifteen years ago, I was having excruciating knee pain in my left knee. Doc said I might possibly need replacement surgery. X-ray showed nearly all the cartilage was gone. About that time, I was reading about the benefits of Gloucasomine -chondrointin . I decided to try it. I took it for five or six years. Maybe longer, can't remember for sure. For some reason, he X-rayed the knee again. The X-ray showed perfect cartilage. So it worked for me. This is not "I think it did" but X-ray proof that it did.
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Oh man, that is so awesome, it gave me chills, way to go Shirley, you tried and succeeded. Only reason I don't have some bottles of that is that I can't afford it, right now;) I'm used to give it to my little dog, should say, I bought food for her with those ingredients, including MSM as well;):hatoff:To you Shirley!!
 
d0ug said:
Some people on this post says that is impossible but I know it can be done glad to hear you are doing good. All the best to you.
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I know to many folks, many right here on SF that have had tons of success;) including me now:)
 
If you read the link I posted earlier... The Harvard study was for Reumatoid arth.. and the results were minimal.. Wallach omitted the part that the study was NOT fOR Osteoarthritis.. They are two different diseases.. Wallach has you duped.. He has manipulated the Harvard study... and left out the key details... in other words... He's counting on you NOT understanding the principles behind these studies and how easy it is for an unscrupulous person to skew the results

Read this.... It talks all about the Harvard study.

http://nutra-smart.net/al.htm#arthritis

In fact.... HERE is the Harvard Study

http://www.chickencartilage.com/harvardstudy/

It is NOT for Osteoarthritis... and the results for RA were not much better than placebo.
 
So how about John Hopkins??

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/stem_cell_research/coaxing_cells/joint_repair.html

The team’s goal is to develop a new way to deliver and control the behavior of adult stem cells to restore bone and cartilage that has been damaged by disease or injury or is impaired by a genetic defect. Restoration of cartilage – the tough but elastic tissue in noses, ears and joints – would be particularly helpful because, unlike skin, cartilage does not naturally regenerate. Routine use of this procedure in humans may be many years away, Elisseeff says, but the potential benefits could be significant. For one thing, if the lab results can be replicated in humans, patients would end up with living tissue rather than metal or plastic replacement parts. “If this technique ultimately works the way we believe it will, doctors will have a new and possibly more effective option for treating severe joint injuries,” Elisseeff says. “This procedure would also help people avoid invasive surgery.”
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So to tally..... Mayo Clinic...UCLA....Harvard.... and John Hopkins has not been able to get cartilage to grow or regenerate... But Wallach.. A veterinarian can?
 
All these medical hospitals make money off you being sick so just sign up and let them lead you to surgery and clean your wallet while they are doing it.
Medical system is there to make money and they will tell you anything to make a profit.
 
d0ug said:
All these medical hospitals make money off you being sick so just sign up and let them lead you to surgery and clean your wallet while they are doing it.
Medical system is there to make money and they will tell you anything to make a profit.
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And Wallach is giving you stuff for FREE??? lol!! No.. he's making a fortune off gullible people. Bet he's got a nice fat bank account..

But you are not understanding all those studies...They aren't pushing surgery... They are TRYING to do research to regenerate cartilage and CANNOT as of yet.. If mayo, harvard, UCLa and Hopkins can't, what makes you think Wallach can?
 
A history lesson on how the modern medicine started and then you would know what is going on.
As far as Dr. Wallach who gives 300 free lectures a year all around the world. He also does not get money from Youngevity. I get lots of free information from his free radio shows.
Modern medicine is business and you are a customer. Just do what the MD says and don't ask questions
 
Doug... It grows because the entire body is growing.. Once we are grown and the growth plates close, blood vessels are no longer in cartilage and it can no longer grow. Why do other body parts stop growing and don't continue to get larger?

Look... I can see you don't want to listen to reason and you ignore facts.. And I have to cut you some slack... because I have never had chronic pain... if I had.. and had no medical background, I might latch on to anything I could find in hopes of relief. There has been some doubt of the safety of some of Wallach's "cures"... But if you stick to chicken cartilage in orange juice I don't suppose you will do yourself too much harm.. Just don't ignore really serious symptoms.. and see a real doctor if they get worse. It may save your life. Now I am done with this thread...
 
d0ug said:
A history lesson on how the modern medicine started and then you would know what is going on.
As far as Dr. Wallach who gives 300 free lectures a year all around the world. He also does not get money from Youngevity. I get lots of free information from his free radio shows.
Modern medicine is business and you are a customer. Just do what the MD says and don't ask questions
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Doug.... I have a medical background.. I have worked in medicine 40 years... I understand pathophysiology. .. I never just "do what doctos say" and not ask questions. My doctors and i collaborate on my care.. There is nothing of any value you can tell me... and certainly nothing Wallach says makes any sense.
 

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