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@Gaer If you just want a home self-defense gun, a shotgun is best. Handguns will require some training and not just safety, you must be able to hit your target and know your range. Another thing to ask yourself is if you could pull the trigger and at what point. If you have never watched anyone die, this is for me the most important thing to resolve in your mind. It is worst to have a gun and not use it and have the intruder use it on you. I have never been a fan of the 223 semi-auto military style rife. My choice in a rife is a 30/30 lever action for home defense if you are in the country with shotgun backup and a couple of 45 Colts.

I grew up with guns of all kinds. I wanted to be Annie Oakley. I became very proficient in a quick draw. I have seen two people shot in my life and it is not pretty or something you can just forget. I would advise talking to your local Cheif and get his advise on a training place. Good to let him know you are alone. If you can find a women's group, that would be very enlightening to you.

The thing about carrying a handgun is can you get to it before an assailant does? Even if your state is open carry, I would not advise such unless you are in a group. So much to learn and if you can find a woman instructor that is best. Get to know your neighbors and see if they also are armed and trained. Set up emergency communications with them. It is so important in these times. We must now think about if our areas are assaulted, everyone must be in agreement. If you are the only one against a mob, you don't have a chance. I would not want to be living alone in a remote area these days or a neighborhood of unarmed people.

Antifa was bused in our area and met by 300 open carry citizens. The police made it clear to them if they wanted to stand across the street and hold signs great, but if they crossed the street blocking traffic, they would be arrested. They also made it clear any assault meant to harm anyone would give the armed citizens the right to defend themselves by any means they deemed necessary. This included Antifa using lasers to blind, mega horns to deafen, bear spray in the face, etc. They got back on their bus and headed back to Portland.

Again I advise asking yourself questions. If someone is breaking your door in with a crowbar, could you shoot them? These mobs carry molotov cocktails so do you wait till they light it to shoot, or after they throw it? If they have a gun, do you wait till they shoot or shoot first?

A safe armed neighborhood is your best defense.
 

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@Gaer If you just want a home self-defense gun, a shotgun is best. Handguns will require some training and not just safety, you must be able to hit your target and know your range. Another thing to ask yourself is if could could pull the trigger and at what point. If you have never watched anyone die, this is for me the most important thing to resolve in your mind. It is worst to have a gun and not use it and have the intruder use it on you. I have never been a fan of the 223 semi-auto military style rife. My choice in a rife is a 30/30 lever action for home defense if you are in the country with shotgun backup and a couple of 45 Colts.

I grew up with guns of all kinds. I wanted to be Annie Oakley. I became very proficient in a quick draw. I have seen two people shot in my life and it is not pretty or something you can just forget. I would advise talking to your local Cheif and get his advise on a training place. Good to let him know you are alone. If you can find a women's group, that would be very enlightening to you.

The thing about carrying a handgun is can you get to it before an assailant does? Even if your state is open carry, I would not advise such unless you are in a group. So much to learn and if you can find a woman instructor that is best. Get to know your neighbors and see if they also are armed and trained. Set up emergency communications with them. It is so important in these times. We must now think about if our areas are assaulted, everyone must be in agreement. If you are the only one against a mob, you don't have a chance. I would not want to be living alone in a remote area these days or a neighborhood of unarmed people.

Antifa was bused in our area and met by 300 open carry citizens. The police made it clear to them if they wanted to stand across the street and hold signs great, but if they crossed the street blocking traffic, they would be arrested. They also made it clear any assault meant to harm anyone would give the armed citizens the right to defend themselves by any means they deemed necessary. This included Antifa using lasers to blind, mega horns to deafen, bear spray in the face, etc. They got back on their bus and headed back to Portland.

A safe armed neighborhood is your best defense.
Thank you, I already have a Colt S/A. Not going to buy a rifle. I'm not afraid but since I have this revolver, I just want to understand it in full and feel confident loading, unloading, firing, handling it etc.
Yes, I understand about shooting another. My late husband was a Federal Marshal and he killed 11 men in gunfights. He told me it's something you never want to see.
No, There would be no safe, armed neighborhood. but this is semi-rural. Yes, If they came here,I would be the only one against the mob.
I doubt this will happen and as I said, I'm not afraid. Your thoughtful advise is much appreciated though!
 
Antifa was bused in our area and met by 300 open carry citizens. The police made it clear to them if they wanted to stand across the street and hold signs great, but if they crossed the street blocking traffic, they would be arrested. They also made it clear any assault meant to harm anyone would give the armed citizens the right to defend themselves by any means they deemed necessary. This included Antifa using lasers to blind, mega horns to deafen, bear spray in the face, etc. They got back on their bus and headed back to Portland.
Regarding "Antifa":
Antifa (/ænˈtiːfə, ˈæntiˌfɑː/)[1] is a left-wing, anti-fascist political movement in the United States[2][3][4][5] comprising a diverse[6][7] array of autonomous groups that aim to achieve their objectives through the use of both nonviolent and violent direct action rather than through policy reform.[8][9][10][11] Described as a highly decentralized movement, antifa political activists are anti-racists who engage in protest tactics, seeking to combat fascists and racists such as neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other far-right extremists
Wikipedia

Again I advise asking yourself questions. If someone is breaking your door in with a crowbar, could you shoot them? These mobs carry molotov cocktails so do you wait till they light it to shoot, or after they throw it? If they have a gun, do you wait till they shoot or shoot first?
It appears that home security and the anti-racist + anti-fascist demonstrations have become co-mingled here. The thrust of Antifa's efforts are to confront racist + fascist governmental entities, NOT citizens or homeowners.

For the record, you CAN shoot someone breaking your door in with a crowbar, however YOU just have to make sure that you can articulate that your life was clearly in danger.
 

I deleted this, but didn't see that people have replied to it.

So, it basically said that Wikipedia is not my first line of information. However that was interpreted, okay.
 
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Regarding "Antifa": Wikipedia


It appears that home security and the anti-racist + anti-fascist demonstrations have become co-mingled here. The thrust of Antifa's efforts are to confront racist + fascist governmental entities, NOT citizens or homeowners.

For the record, you CAN shoot someone breaking your door in with a crowbar, however YOU just have to make sure that you can articulate that your life was clearly in danger.
Really Nathan? I have seen Antifa in action and they target anyone that stands in the way of their mission to destroy America as it is. They are the fascists. They recently attacked and tried to burn the Portland Mayors apartment building, with people in it of all races. They have destroyed much of downtown Portland and business owned mainly by immigrants of several races, ethnic groups, and backgrounds. Wikipedia is a joke and Antifa has control over what is written about them. They say one thing but their actions are another.

Home defense against mob action is why so many are buying guns. They are not worried about the one lone bandit, but the rioters that are out to destroy without regard for anyone's rights or beliefs. Give them any name you want and claim a just racial cause, but when mostly "white" thugs burn down a Black Neighborhood because of their religion and political beliefs, that isn't racial justice.
 
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So, 911, this means you have no concern for the innocent people being killed on a daily basis by rogue cops?

My concern is for any innocent people being killed by trigger-happy maniacs, whether those maniacs are wearing a uniform or not.


On a daily basis? Last year cops killed 25 unarmed black men. There were, by the way, 48 cops killed in the line of duty (more counting accidents).

There were over 7,000 black homicide victims, most of them killed by other black people.

Police conduct is a problem, but it's part of a larger problem involving crime, poverty and family. These are difficult problems to solve. It's much easier to throw bricks and tear down statues.

Source: Mapping Police Violence, a crowdsourced database that includes deaths by vehicle, tasering or beating in addition to shootings, estimates 25 police killings of unarmed Black men in 2019.
 
@win231, what I posted was not at all the way you've interpreted it:

"Yes, Wikipedia, every news channel, every news article is false (if you don't like the information provided).
And police officers never commit crimes because......they're all heroes."

But I'm not going to argue with such hyperbole and misinterpretation of what I posted. Have it your way.
 
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Regarding "Antifa": Wikipedia


It appears that home security and the anti-racist + anti-fascist demonstrations have become co-mingled here. The thrust of Antifa's efforts are to confront racist + fascist governmental entities, NOT citizens or homeowners.

For the record, you CAN shoot someone breaking your door in with a crowbar, however YOU just have to make sure that you can articulate that your life was clearly in danger.

The thrust of Antifa's efforts in my city is to bait the police (violating curfews, vandalism, setting small fires) then engage in confrontation (rock and bottle throwing, firing paintballs, etc) then to whine about "police brutality" when the police respond.

There aren't any racist/fascist governmental entities to confront, just mostly black cops.

Get arrested, get released, do it all over again.

There is a simple solution: Felony prosecutions, convictions, serious jail time. These weenies are not prepared to do the time.
 
Really Nathan? I have seen Antifa in action and they target anyone that stands in the way of their mission to destroy America as it is. They are the fascists. They recently attacked and tried to burn the Portland Mayors apartment building, with people in it of all races. They have destroyed much of downtown Portland and business owned mainly by immigrants of several races, ethnic groups, and backgrounds. Wikipedia is a joke and Antifa has control over what is written about them. They say one thing but their actions are another.

Home defense against mob action is why so many are buying guns. They are not worried about the one lone bandit, but the rioters that are out to destroy without regard for anyone's rights or beliefs. Give them any name you want and claim a just racial cause, but when mostly "white" thugs burn down a Black Neighborhood because of their religion and political beliefs, that isn't racial justice.

There was a threat to burn down an apartment building, because the Portland mayor lives there. That threat is of course deplorable, but was not due to race, religion or political belief of the occupants, but due to the mayor's response to the demonstrators. reuters.com However, your comment about Wikipedia is incorrect, in that the person or group about whom a Wikipedia article was written has no "control" over the content. Wikipedia:Editorial oversight and control

when mostly "white" thugs burn down a Black Neighborhood because of their religion and political beliefs, that isn't racial justice.

Interesting choice of analogies, as there have in fact been many instances of white thugs burning black neighborhoods, churches, businesses, etc.
 
Really Nathan? I have seen Antifa in action and they target anyone that stands in the way of their mission to destroy America as it is. They are the fascists. They recently attacked and tried to burn the Portland Mayors apartment building, with people in it of all races. They have destroyed much of downtown Portland and business owned mainly by immigrants of several races, ethnic groups, and backgrounds. Wikipedia is a joke and Antifa has control over what is written about them. They say one thing but their actions are another.

Home defense against mob action is why so many are buying guns. They are not worried about the one lone bandit, but the rioters that are out to destroy without regard for anyone's rights or beliefs. Give them any name you want and claim a just racial cause, but when mostly "white" thugs burn down a Black Neighborhood because of their religion and political beliefs, that isn't racial justice.
(I'm kinda jumping in in the middle of this thread)
From what I've seen and even somewhat experienced, THE problem is they present themselves in a manner that most people would think 'racial justice' is their driving force, it can be difficult to see 'who' is 'what.'
If anyone here has any FACTUAL info on these jerks- background or anything else- I'd appreciate it.
 
You don't think that's an appropriate word for these Antifa individuals?
I've seen what they've been doing here, and that's a kinda polite way of wording it.
I found that many people of all stripes can fit that description. If I were comparing, I find the Charlottesville mob to be jerkier. You remember them, those "Jews will not replace us" guys, the ones with the torches like it's Kristallnacht.
 
I found that many people of all stripes can fit that description. If I were comparing, I find the Charlottesville mob to be jerkier. You remember them, those "Jews will not replace us" guys, the ones with the torches like it's Kristallnacht.
Yes, I certainly do. A difference, though, is with most mobs it's not difficult to see them for who/what they are, they aren't trying to blend in and pretending to be something else.
 
I'm not familiar with this website https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/16104/antifa-history

c/p:
Antifa's stated long-term objective, both in America and abroad, is to establish a communist world order..
A common tactic used by Antifa in the United States and Europe is to employ extreme violence and destruction of public and private property to goad the police into a reaction, which then "proves" Antifa's claim that the government is "fascist."


Their local Facebook page- what I could see without a FB account- brought up terms such as 'our valued comrade,' 'the working class,' and a photo of 'Chairman Mao.'

:mad:
 
There was a threat to burn down an apartment building, because the Portland mayor lives there. That threat is of course deplorable, but was not due to race, religion or political belief of the occupants, but due to the mayor's response to the demonstrators. reuters.com However, your comment about Wikipedia is incorrect, in that the person or group about whom a Wikipedia article was written has no "control" over the content. Wikipedia:Editorial oversight and control



Interesting choice of analogies, as there have in fact been many instances of white thugs burning black neighborhoods, churches, businesses, etc.

Threat? They gathered at his apartment building and set fire to the lobby. He had to move out to protect his neighbors. Some threat.
 
I haven't bought a gun, but we are training our 16 pound CavaPoo (named Maxine) as an attack dog. If anyone comes to the door, she will lick them on the face until they leave.
For that type of dog, you need a "Beware of Dog" sign.

So nobody steps on her. :)
 
I'm glad that I don't live in some of the communities spoken about here. A gun needed to stay in one's house or to venture out with the garbage cans for the weekly pick-up? Really??

One can only imagine the terror that I was subjected to today. I first had to visit my ophthalmologist and then an evening visit with my wife who is hospitalized, both without being armed. Guess some of us are lucky to survive, day to day without carrying a handgun, concealed or open carry. Thankfully, I do have a handgun here in the house. It was here when my dad lived here and it's been mine for the past 55 years.

Maybe it's time to get a "bigger" one to make up for any possible inadequacies that I might have. LOL A "big" truck also helps along those lines.

What a country this has become.
 
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