2nd Healthcare worker tests positive for Ebola

Bee said:
Thankyou, then there is this news report.........


While the three countries which have seen the largest number of Ebola cases – Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone – have hardly any students enrolling at UK universities, Nigeria – which has had confirmed cases – is the fourth largest supplier of international students to UK universities. In 2012-13, the latest year for which figures are available, a total of 9,630 were enrolled.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/e...uses-on-alert-as-new-term-begins-9673861.html
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Ah...two conflicting reports!

We shall just have to wait and see...
 

Rep Ed Royce, Chairman of the House Foreign Relations Committee said he was “deeply concerned” U.S. embassies in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone were continuing to process visas for non-U.S. nationals despite the outbreak of the deadly disease.


An estimated 100 people per day are applying for U.S. visas at the three embassies, according to Royce. “Of course,” he added, “once these individuals are issued a visa by the embassy, they are free to travel to the United States.”

Both Republicans and Democrats want travel to stop from those countries and as a poster here mentioned, any Red Cross or others that are helping can be flown on non commercial planes to those countries.
 

Twixie said:
I believe that this outbreak of Ebola will be like AIDS was...It certainly will get to the UK and the USA, and people will die until a cure is found..
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Agreed... but there is a difference between ebola and AIDS. There is not cure for AIDS.. There is no vaccine for AIDS because the virus mutates. This is why you cannot form antibodies to help you fight the virus. You can infect someone with HIV before you know you have it as it develops slowly. Ebola is one of the Hemorrhagic Viruses.. It kills you very fast... but fortunately does not mutate so fast that vaccine cannot be developed. You are also able to survive the virus by your own body defenses.... ie.. you make antibodies. The nurse in Dallas was given serum from an Ebola surviver to help her fight it with his antibodies.
 
Misty said:
Rep Ed Royce, Chairman of the House Foreign Relations Committee said he was “deeply concerned” U.S. embassies in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone were continuing to process visas for non-U.S. nationals despite the outbreak of the deadly disease.


An estimated 100 people per day are applying for U.S. visas at the three embassies, according to Royce. “Of course,” he added, “once these individuals are issued a visa by the embassy, they are free to travel to the United States.”

Both Republicans and Democrats want travel to stop from those countries and as a poster here mentioned, any Red Cross or others that are helping can be flown on non commercial planes to those countries.
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I can understand that if they have the money they may want to leave the infected areas..

It's a double edged sword isn't it?

Do we take them here and risk a world wide pandemic?

Or do we confine them to the infected areas..and let them take their chances?
 
Twixie said:
I can understand that if they have the money they may want to leave the infected areas..

It's a double edged sword isn't it?

Do we take them here and risk a world wide pandemic?

Or do we confine them to the infected areas..and let them take their chances?
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Good point. Probably not a good analogy, but those who immigrated to the "new world" to escape whatever it was they were escaping... ie.. religious persecution, famine, etc.. brought measles with them and pretty much descimated several Native American tribes.. So it won't be the first time refuges brought disease with them. It would be hoped they would be screened, or that we will learn to handle it better than we have.
 
QuickSilver said:
Agreed... but there is a difference between ebola and AIDS. There is not cure for AIDS.. There is no vaccine for AIDS because the virus mutates. This is why you cannot form antibodies to help you fight the virus. You can infect someone with HIV before you know you have it as it develops slowly. Ebola is one of the Hemorrhagic Viruses.. It kills you very fast... but fortunately does not mutate so fast that vaccine cannot be developed. You are also able to survive the virus by your own body defenses.... ie.. you make antibodies. The nurse in Dallas was given serum from an Ebola surviver to help her fight it with his antibodies.
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I thought all viruses had the ability to mutate..

Ebola is an RNA virus, which means every time it copies itself, it makes one or two mutations. Many of those mutations mean nothing, but some of them might be able to change the way the virus behaves inside the human body.
 
QuickSilver said:
I agree... I am appalled at the incompetence that the Dallas Hospital demonstrated. The more you hear of their handling of the first patient, the worse it becomes. I blame the CDC for not taking over as soon as Duncan was a confirmed case. They should have flown in THEN to be sure it was handled correctly.. and that the nurses had the proper equipment and knew how to put it on and MORE importantly.. take it off. I believe I said yesterday their exposure came from removing the soiled gear.. and yesterday it was stated that was most likely the case. I can tell you from experience that staff is given very little hands on training in much. Mostly you are told to watch a video and take a 3 question test.
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How do you feel about them telling the second nurse it was fine to get on a plane and travel even though she questioned them several times?
 
SifuPhil said:
The White House is saying that a travel ban is "not on the table" at this point - as usual they'll wait until it's too late.

Was watching CNN this morning, they had a video clip of the 2nd nurse boarding another plane back to Dallas. She was in a containment suit, all of the accompanying people were in containment suits ... and one dude carrying a clipboard was in a shirt and tie.

Yeah, I have a lot of faith in these people. :rolleyes:
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Aw Phil, don't be too hard on the White House because they're in good company. I haven't heard my government saying anything about restrictions either, nor the UK. 'Dumb' travels in packs.
 
QuickSilver said:
Your solution? Or are you just..
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There is no solution because the governments have been given all the power. We don't expect good behaviour from them, we accept every excuse and story that comes from them and we fail repeatedly on an individual and national basis to keep track of their lies and stories. We are all to blame for everything that is going on. But the beginning of wisdom is a realization that those offices and departments that we trust(ed) to keep us safe are merely mouthpieces and a means to doing what governments want at yours and my expense.

In this instance, it is quite apparent that trusting the CDC to take care and to educate, etc., is misguided. Personally, I quit trusting governments when I began to investigate why a Palestinian Israeli walked out on my Prime Ministers speech in the Knesset. Faith without foundation is foolish. And by giving that nurse permission to travel, the CDC just nuked the foundations of faith for that office. Any benefit to the average person is purely accidental.
 
So... again, other than pontificating.. and stating the obvious you have nothing constructive to add. Should all governments or agencies be eliminated?
 
Debby said:
Your health department better be ordering lots of thermometers and then tents so they can camp out at the airports!
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Debby if you read post 49 you will see there is a conflicting report which always happen with various news agencies.
 
Bee said:
Debby if you read post 49 you will see there is a conflicting report which always happen with various news agencies.
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Well wasn't the smaller figure for the 2012-13 year and if so, maybe those 20,000 are arriving here now because their parents are desperately trying to save their youth by sending them away. What I thought scary was this part of the article: University cleaning staff have also been told to look out for signs of blood and vomit in students' rooms, which could be a sign of possible Ebola symptoms.


How would you like to be cleaning staff at universities when you hear that kind of thing from your manager?
 
Over 9000 are coming from Nigeria; which has not had a case of Ebola since beginning of Sept; and has therefore been declared Ebola free.
nigeria had 8 cases in total; and is 1500 miles from the infected countries; and 4 independant countries; none of which has reported any cases of Ebola.

Slightly scaremongering?
 
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Vivjen said:
Over 9000 are coming from Nigeria; which has not had a case of Ebola since beginning of Sept; and has therefore been declared Ebola free.
nigeria had 8 cases in total; and is 1500 miles from the infected countries; and 4 independant countries; none of which has reported any cases of Ebola.

Slightly scaremongering?
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I don't think the International Business Times is into scaremongering...where did you get your information from?..Link please...

I'd be much happier if it turned out to be so...

And Nigeria is such a corrupt country that I wouldn't believe a word they said..

They have contained it..vanquished it..How?
 
Debby said:
Your health department better be ordering lots of thermometers and then tents so they can camp out at the airports!
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Debby said:
Well wasn't the smaller figure for the 2012-13 year and if so, maybe those 20,000 are arriving here now because their parents are desperately trying to save their youth by sending them away. What I thought scary was this part of the article: University cleaning staff have also been told to look out for signs of blood and vomit in students' rooms, which could be a sign of possible Ebola symptoms.


How would you like to be cleaning staff at universities when you hear that kind of thing from your manager?
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I think Vivjen has summed it up very well.
 
Info from Bee's link; and BBC.
nigeria had very stringent isolation measures in place in the south of the country; figures are from WHO.

IMO; if we, the west, had done something about this when first asked we would not be in this position; but, West Africa; doesn't matter...
fragile healthcare systems just collapse, as they have; we have the facilities to contain.

Scaremongering doesn't help; one woman has taken her son out of Primary School in Peckham, just in case...

Terrorism we are told to carry on; why is this different?

See latest WHO statement, released this afto; they are in 15 more countries, to stop the spread, but the money and help is just not coming through..
 
Vivjen said:
Info from Bee's link; and BBC.
nigeria had very stringent isolation measures in place in the south of the country; figures are from WHO.

IMO; if we, the west, had done something about this when first asked we would not be in this position; but, West Africa; doesn't matter...
fragile healthcare systems just collapse, as they have; we have the facilities to contain.

Scaremongering doesn't help; one woman has taken her son out of Primary School in Peckham, just in case...

Terrorism we are told to carry on; why is this different?

See latest WHO statement, released this afto; they are in 15 more countries, to stop the spread, but the money and help is just not coming through..
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The money is getting through..they are building hospitals..(sigh)...while they are building them several more thousands of people may die..

Wouldn't hospital ships make more sense..they would be segregated and yet still receive the help they need..
 
Ameriscot said:
I used to have a lot of respect for the CDC. No more. Idiots.
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I saw this, some body is lying or is totally uniformed even if it's the CDC not knowing the level of implementation of policy(how informed is everyone). BUT this nurse calling the CDC directly to "see if it's OK to fly" reminds of a child who got a NO from one parent and then goes to other for a YES. It sounds like this nurse was trying to cover her butt by getting the answer she wanted to hear. She's playing games when she says the CDC said it was OK to fly.
 
One ship has already sailed from Falmouth; not much I know; but everything else seems to be tied up in ME, China, etc..

Liberia only has 400 Ebola beds; at least the UK will increase that; meanwhile people are having to die in their own homes; cared for by their relatives; what else can they do?
 
WhatInThe said:
I saw this, some body is lying or is totally uniformed even if it's the CDC not knowing the level of implementation of policy(how informed is everyone). BUT this nurse calling the CDC directly to "see if it's OK to fly" reminds of a child who got a NO from one parent and then goes to other for a YES. It sounds like this nurse was trying to cover her butt by getting the answer she wanted to hear. She's playing games when she says the CDC said it was OK to fly.
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I agree.. She had a temp of 99.5 and the guideline limit for flying is 100.4.. so 0.9 difference. She should have known better. However, she was not febrile when she first flew to Ohio, so if the Hospital or CDC did not specifically tell exposed people NOT to fly at all, then the onus is on them.
 
Vivjen said:
One ship has already sailed from Falmouth; not much I know; but everything else seems to be tied up in ME, China, etc..

Liberia only has 400 Ebola beds; at least the UK will increase that; meanwhile people are having to die in their own homes; cared for by their relatives; what else can they do?
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I know..I was watching a docu about Liberia..filthy...fly blown...sewerage running down the streets....I seem to remember this disease popping up in the 90's or abouts..Wasn't it called Necrotizing Fasciitis?
 
QuickSilver said:
I agree.. She had a temp of 99.5 and the guideline limit for flying is 100.4.. so 0.9 difference. She should have known better. However, she was not febrile when she first flew to Ohio, so if the Hospital or CDC did not specifically tell exposed people NOT to fly at all, then the onus is on them.
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Maybe she was just trying to save her own life..at the cost of others...
 

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