2nd Healthcare worker tests positive for Ebola

Vivjen said:
Surely it is better to test everybody as they leave; which is happening, and then keep an eye on them when they arrive; 21 days max; if you have a temp; then quarantine and isolation.
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Or quarantine people wanting to leave West Africa for 21 days before letting them get on a plane.
 

Kitties said:
This woman should have never been allowed to fly. This, to me, shows how they are dropping the ball all over the place.

Universal precautions obviously doesn't work with this devastating disease. I work in long term care but I've taken care of patients who were HIV positive and full blown AIDS and I haven't worried. Just been cautious. I'd be terrified of this.
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No she shouldn't have been allowed to fly, Kitties, and she and others that were going through self monitoring were allowed to travel but not on a commercial plane or any other commercial travel. She also had a low level fever when she flew, so looks like they will have to lower their 100.4 temperature level that is being watched for in passengers. Not all those infected had fever, 87.1% of those infected exhibited fever — but 12.9% did not.
 
I agree with stopping people flying to UK and Europe and also the US [and anywhere else!] from the ebola stricken regions.Any aid workers could be flown in military planes with the proper precautions.We must stop travel between countries until this is contained or over. Otherwise it could well be like 'The Stand' as a poster mentioned.No students should come here at the moment to our universities. Madness.:mad:
 

Bonnie said:
I really feel bad for the medical people put in the position of having to deal with this. It all seems like guesswork in learning what is going on, and what to do next.
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It does seem like guesswork, Bonnie. President Obama was told by the CDC that you can't catch Ebola on a bus, and President Obama forwarded the message to us. On Tuesday, a spokesperson for the CDC told CNSNews.com that it’s “not impossible” to contract Ebola from an infected person on a bus, particularly if the healthy person touches a contaminated object.
 
We've had two people checked out in Australia. So far both have been negative for ebola.

One was a nurse who was a Red Cross volunteer in Sierra Leone.

She knew what to do when she returned to Australia.
Although she had no symptoms she went into voluntary quarantine at home and took her temperature twice daily.
When she developed a 'low grade fever" she contacted a hospital and was admitted into an isolation room.
She has tested negative to ebola twice now and has been allowed to go home but will continue her quarantine until the appropriate number of days is up.

I commend her for her service in Africa and for her responsible following of the protocols to avoid possibly spreading the disease. It would seem that health workers in countries where ebola is not endemic will need better education in the protocols as well as training in the use of protective clothing.

That second nurse from Texas should never have travelled as she did, knowing that a co-worker had already been infected.
It will involve a lot of inconvenience and some personal sacrifice if this contagion is to be contained.
 
I could not agree more with the people who have said we need to STOP travel into the US from infected regions. AND, if a traveler came from an infected country THROUGH another country, it seems to me customs and immigration could tell from their passports where they had been and deny them entry.

CRAZY to just let people keep coming in from infected countries, and even CRAZIER to let 12,000 students from infected countries into the UK!
 
Of course, we knew this had to happen at some point .. $34.95!! .. this guy is laughing all the way to the bank.

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http://www.tmz.com/2014/10/15/ebola-c-supplement-ny-businessman-todd-spinelli-wafer/
 
Bonnie said:
Now this .. the whole thing would be comical if it wasn't so serious:


The CDC and Frontier Airlines said Wednesday that the second health care worker had travelled from Cleveland to Dallas-Fort Worth on Monday aboard flight 1143. Health officials are alerting the 132 passengers who were on the same flight.
Infected Ebola patients are not considered contagious until they have symptoms. The airplane's crew said the nurse had no symptoms of Ebola during the flight. But the CDC is asking the passengers to call the health agency so they can be monitored.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ebola-outbreak-dallas-nurse-took-frontier-airlines-flight-before-becoming-ill-1.2798937
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I read your link and the one thing missing that was in this one: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...la_n_5993486.html?utm_hp_ref=canada&ir=Canada is that the CDC itself gave the second nurse permission to fly to Dallas.

From the link:

"...Vinson told CBS Dallas Fort Worth[FONT=Georgia, Century, Times, serif] that she was feeling ill before boarding her flight. She had a low grade fever, but she said that officials told her it was okay to get on the plane. Vinson told CBS that she called the CDC several times with concerns....."[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, Century, Times, serif]So now who wants to talk about the ineptitude of the CDC, ulterior motives....conspiracy theories????? Why in God's name would the CDC tell a woman who was feeling sick and who had been treating an ebola patient who died.....to get on a plane?


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Debby said:
I read your link and the one thing missing that was in this one: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...la_n_5993486.html?utm_hp_ref=canada&ir=Canada is that the CDC itself gave the second nurse permission to fly to Dallas.

From the link:

"...Vinson told CBS Dallas Fort Worth that she was feeling ill before boarding her flight. She had a low grade fever, but she said that officials told her it was okay to get on the plane. Vinson told CBS that she called the CDC several times with concerns....."

So now who wants to talk about the ineptitude of the CDC, ulterior motives....conspiracy theories????? Why in God's name would the CDC tell a woman who was feeling sick and who had been treating an ebola patient who died.....to get on a plane?
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I used to have a lot of respect for the CDC. No more. Idiots.
 
QuickSilver said:
Or quarantine people wanting to leave West Africa for 21 days before letting them get on a plane.
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The WHO is saying that about 3% of patients can take as long as 42 days to show symptoms. So between 42 days and the CDC giving a sick nurse who is asking if she should fly, permission....we have the makings of an interesting period in world history.

The article goes on to say that the WHO says: "....The Ebola virus is believed to be able to survive outside the body for a week or more during which time anyone who comes in contact with contaminated surface can pick up the virus....."

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ebola-who-cites-cases-longer-incubation-period-42-days-1470326
 
The White House is saying that a travel ban is "not on the table" at this point - as usual they'll wait until it's too late.

Was watching CNN this morning, they had a video clip of the 2nd nurse boarding another plane back to Dallas. She was in a containment suit, all of the accompanying people were in containment suits ... and one dude carrying a clipboard was in a shirt and tie.

Yeah, I have a lot of faith in these people. :rolleyes:
 
QuickSilver said:
So? What's your point?
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My point is that the American people have a misplaced faith in anything that has capital letters as a name. CDC, WHO, CIA, FBI - you name it, if it's "official" the sheep will sit around until they receive orders from those places, even if it means they have to step over the dying bodies of their neighbors while they wait.

The guy in shirtsleeves, to me, sums up the stupidity of our so-called "guardians", and I extend that thought to most government agencies.

"Look out for yourself and trust only yourself" is my point.
 
Twixie said:
Looks like we are all being made to sit back and watch the car crash!
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I agree... I am appalled at the incompetence that the Dallas Hospital demonstrated. The more you hear of their handling of the first patient, the worse it becomes. I blame the CDC for not taking over as soon as Duncan was a confirmed case. They should have flown in THEN to be sure it was handled correctly.. and that the nurses had the proper equipment and knew how to put it on and MORE importantly.. take it off. I believe I said yesterday their exposure came from removing the soiled gear.. and yesterday it was stated that was most likely the case. I can tell you from experience that staff is given very little hands on training in much. Mostly you are told to watch a video and take a 3 question test.
 
Our border controls for the detection of possible Ebola carriers is..

''Good day sir/madam...Would you mind if I took your temperature with this laser temperature gun?....You would?..Ok..I am sorry to have bothered you...have a safe journey!''

I don't know whether to laugh or cry!
 
I'm conflicted on allowing air travel from West Africa. One side of me feels it should be restricted.. the other side sees it as pointless in a global community.. People will find their way around regardless.

My main concern now is how cases are handled here.. AND most importantly of all, developing a vaccine. I believe we dropped the ball on that for two reasons.. One was funding cuts.. the other was that Ebola was not HERE, nor was there a huge outbreak like there is now. So that program was probably put on the back burner. You can bet they are move full steam ahead on it now though..
 
Twixie said:
Certainly..

I was wrong..it wasn't 12,000 it is 20,000!

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nhs-steps-...es-welcome-20000-students-west-africa-1469680
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Thankyou, then there is this news report.........


While the three countries which have seen the largest number of Ebola cases – Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone – have hardly any students enrolling at UK universities, Nigeria – which has had confirmed cases – is the fourth largest supplier of international students to UK universities. In 2012-13, the latest year for which figures are available, a total of 9,630 were enrolled.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/e...uses-on-alert-as-new-term-begins-9673861.html
 
QuickSilver said:
I'm conflicted on allowing air travel from West Africa. One side of me feels it should be restricted.. the other side sees it as pointless in a global community.. People will find their way around regardless.

My main concern now is how cases are handled here.. AND most importantly of all, developing a vaccine. I believe we dropped the ball on that for two reasons.. One was funding cuts.. the other was that Ebola was not HERE, nor was there a huge outbreak like there is now. So that program was probably put on the back burner. You can bet they are move full steam ahead on it now though..
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I believe that this outbreak of Ebola will be like AIDS was...It certainly will get to the UK and the USA, and people will die until a cure is found..
 

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