Shooting of Breonna Taylor, and the "no knock" procedure, plus "stand your ground".

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Ceege said:
So many of these shootings just make no sense. I've wondered over the years if it could be because of steroid use leading to 'roidrage'. We need to start testing our police for steroid use.

Police are using Steroids resulting in "Roid Rage" Why aren't police being tested for Steroids?
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2020...e-Why-aren-t-police-being-tested-for-Steroids
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Who wrote this? It seems it was introduced to this website by one Lefty Coaster, being written by a Shaun King, who wrote it in 2016. Look up Shaun King.... LOL.
 

fuzzybuddy said:
Breonna Taylor was a EMT. She was shot to death by police. They were executing a "no knock" search warrant for her boy friend. That means they could barge into her apartment. Her boy friend and police fired many rounds, and Miss Taylor was shot multiple times. This whole event is one bucket of worms. The police wore plain clothes. Their search warrant had multiple issues with its legality. Upon entering the apartment, Kenneth Walker, who claimed to fear a break in, and was licensed to carry a fire arm, shot at the police. No drugs what so ever were found in the apartment. The police claimed that they knocked and announced themselves, before they entered the apartment. Walker and 11 others claimed they didn't.
Personally, this is another incidence of a poorly trained, and disciplined police dept. There are so many issues about the questionable basis for, and the legality of the warrant, plus its execution. Was Mr. Walker "standing his ground" from a home invasion? And how do you justify killing an unarmed person, with multiple bullets, for a "search warrant".
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Here is supposed to be a true account of what happened. There is a reason why they dont knock. Its to not give the persons on the other side of the door a chance to fire through the door. But in this case the boyfriend opened fired and then police responded with same.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/joedigenova-breonnataylor-louisville/2020/09/23/id/988500/
 
911 said:
OK, I found this in the archived article:

"While the department had gotten court approval for a “no-knock” entry, the orders were changed before the raid to “knock and announce,” meaning that the police had to identify themselves."

There is at least one witness who claims to have heard the police knock and announce. Ms. Taylor's boyfriend denies hearing the announcement.

I can only say that had her boyfriend not shot first, the police may not have returned fire and everyone would still be OK. However, when you find yourself in that position, you're probably going to return fire, so that you and your fellow officers can safely retreat. Remember, they had an injured officer that could barely move, so they had to do something to give themselves time to withdraw. I am not defending them, but I really don't know what I would have done and it's not my job to denounce their actions, seeing as how I was not involved. I am sure that it was a scar situation for everyone involved.

To this day, I am still mystified as to how she took 8 bullets and her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, never took even 1. One statement that I read from a friend of Mr. Walker's stated to the media that Mr. Walker may have used Ms. Taylor as a human shield.

Moving past this thread for a moment, I am going to state that I am looking forward to the trials for the people that have been shot this summer and/or the dispositions of such. We should all be interested and be aware of these happenings, but not judgmental. Let the trials play out and let's see where the evidence takes us before we make our own decisions before passing judgment.
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The shots came through the door into the home, right? It seems that he was responsible for the death of his girlfriend. If he did not get shot was he hunkering down or behind sometbing to shield him? I wonder. Either way I think he is the reason the girl was shot. Which is so sad.
 

Breonna Taylor did have criminal friends, at least one of whom was a known drug dealer who had a criminal record involving guns. So the police were no doubt anxious when they went to her apartment, expecting the worst. They said they announced they were police, but only for 45 seconds, and then they busted through the door. Breonna and her boyfriend had been asleep in the bedroom, so it might have taken them that long to wake up, and they might have been groggy and didn't fully comprehend what was going on.

Information has also come out about the rationale for the no-knock warrant that shows the police lied to get the warrant, but not necessarily the police who were on the scene. Whoever lied, should be held accountable.

I don't know. The police who were involved in the shooting were executing a no-nock warrant that was granted do to a lie, so do we hold them accountable? They probably overreacted, as they often do.

One thing is certain, though. All police need to be wearing cameras so we know exactly what happened.
 
Pauline1954 said:
Here is supposed to be a true account of what happened. There is a reason why they dont knock. Its to not give the persons on the other side of the door a chance to fire through the door. But in this case the boyfriend opened fired and then police responded with same.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/joedigenova-breonnataylor-louisville/2020/09/23/id/988500/
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I heard an interview with a cop who said the reason they don't knock & identify that they are police is so the people in the house won't have time to flush drugs down the toilet.
 
RadishRose said:
Who wrote this? It seems it was introduced to this website by one Lefty Coaster, being written by a Shaun King, who wrote it in 2016. Look up Shaun King.... LOL.
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The point is that steroids have been a problem for decades. And when you see an officer doing something vicious when that viciousness wasn't called for, it really makes one wonder if drugs might play a part in it.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1309153779632287744
 
Irwin said:
Breonna Taylor did have criminal friends, at least one of whom was a known drug dealer who had a criminal record involving guns. So the police were no doubt anxious when they went to her apartment, expecting the worst. They said they announced they were police, but only for 45 seconds, and then they busted through the door. Breonna and her boyfriend had been asleep in the bedroom, so it might have taken them that long to wake up, and they might have been groggy and didn't fully comprehend what was going on.

Information has also come out about the rationale for the no-knock warrant that shows the police lied to get the warrant, but not necessarily the police who were on the scene. Whoever lied, should be held accountable.

I don't know. The police who were involved in the shooting were executing a no-nock warrant that was granted do to a lie, so do we hold them accountable? They probably overreacted, as they often do.

One thing is certain, though. All police need to be wearing cameras so we know exactly what happened.
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Yes. The police were held accountable ( @ a civil level) since they didn’t want this going to court. It was that bad. That’s why the family got $12 million but they should still be charged for unlawful and needless murder.
 
Pauline1954 said:
The shots came through the door into the home, right? It seems that he was responsible for the death of his girlfriend. If he did not get shot was he hunkering down or behind something to shield him? I wonder. Either way I think he is the reason the girl was shot. Which is so sad.
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The theory behind this is that because Ms. Taylor received the number of shots that she did and Mr. Walker did not get hit is that he was using her as a human shield. Supposedly, that theory did not come from the police, but from a local TV station in the Louisville area. I did not confirm this report.
 
First, it was not K. Walker, who shot Breonna; it was the police. They have to bare the responsibility of their actions. They were the ones, who initiated the events of that night. The fact that someone could be armed inside the apartment should have been a primary concern to them.
They failed to protect the occupants, as well as themselves in the execution of a search warrant. The entire matter from obtaining the first search warrant to the death of Miss Taylor was tainted by gross ineptness, deception, and fabrications.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
First, it was not K. Walker, who shot Breonna; it was the police. They have to bare the responsibility of their actions. They were the ones, who initiated the events of that night. The fact that someone could be armed inside the apartment should have been a primary concern to them.
They failed to protect the occupants, as well as themselves in the execution of a search warrant. The entire matter from obtaining the first search warrant to the death of Miss Taylor was tainted by gross ineptness, deception, and fabrications.
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Really?? Well, what would you do if someone shot at you and struck your friend who was standing beside you? And, by the way, they did not "initiate the events of the night" as you put it. They were legally serving a warrant. Even by his own admission, Mr. Walker fired the first shot. I cannot believe the heat that Mr. Cameron, AG for Kentucky, is taking for not filing murder charges. He is just following the rule of law. If he filed a murder charge, he would have very little evidence with which to convict. Nothing the cops did were illegal "by law." Using poor judgment or making a bad choice is not against the law.

And BTW, what you also wrote is ridiculous to the tenth power. I doubt if you have any idea as what all goes on prior to a knock-down. There is a lot of planning involved. No one just shows up at the door and kicks it in with guns blazing. This isn't a TV show or a video game.
"The fact that someone could be armed inside the apartment should have been a primary concern to them. They failed to protect the occupants, as well as themselves in the execution of a search warrant."

I also want to add that I do believe Mr. Walker when he stated that he didn't hear the police address themselves. However, that does not and should not not give him (or anyone else) a pass. What's the first rule before you fire your weapon? Identify the target, instead of just coming down the hallway blasting away. You were in the service, right? I guess the Army or whatever branch you were in also makes that clear during basic training. I know that I was taught that in the Marines and also at the Police Academy, which we had to go through a shooting course where there were pop-ups of cardboard dummies. Some where just regular people, kids and animals (cats and dogs) and others were masked intruders or whatever. You didn't want to shoot a regular person. If you did, you failed the course and had to return another day. Three chances to pass or you were out.

Lastly, I am not going to be able to convince anyone that the police were not at fault in this particular case. And, you are not going to be able to convince me otherwise. I just follow the law. What's legal is right and if the cops did something against the law, I would readily admit that they screwed-up. So, when two people cannot agree, it's just best to walk-away.

Bye!
 
I have no dogs in this race because I was no lawman but I've talked to lawmen about the "As of late" 180 degree turn in police/citizen interaction violence and reluctantly and I do say reluctantly I must say this about the now fully documented and disclosed failed No Knock warrant concept and other gangbusters battering ram antics that the COPS TV Series brought to light. Historically progressive law enforcement agencies would have the residence in questions electricity , phone service and plumbing disconnected prior to any 3:AM to 5:AM raid if it even came to that and the escape tunnel crap in the movies was just that, crap. Miss Taylor was employed in a Louisville hospital so they could've approached her at her place of employment and possessed complete control and direction of the entire investigation from A to Z. I have seen investigators come to my job apprehending and arresting employees all the time and all without incident. This gives the good guys complete control of everything and everybody involved and now they can conduct the rest of the investigation in relative safety. I would venture a guess that there are a number of other factors I am quite sure are at play in these situations of timely intervention after weeks or even months of investigation that probably for a small number of police departments serving diverse cultures is too tasking to incorporate nowadays so I guess sitting at the desk waiting for the phone to ring after asking the public to do ones job for one is safer for them except when the Rambo mood strikes to use that street sweeper and MP5K then I guess once that heady drug wears off all this is really academic. Like DeNiro said to Stallone in Copland. You're law enforcement and I'm law enforcement but you're no cop, I'm a cop. Big difference I would imagine. Well I said my piece, make of it what you will.
 
The War on Drugs has been a complete failure over decades. What has been gain for all the money thrown at it and the innocent lives loss?

No knocks are ridiculous. I would not be able to hear a knock and announcement at the front door which is on the east end while in the master bedroom on the west end of my home especially if the TV is on. Even less so sleeping in the wee hours of the morning.
 
911 said:
Really?? Well, what would you do if someone shot at you and struck your friend who was standing beside you? And, by the way, they did not "initiate the events of the night" as you put it. They were legally serving a warrant. Even by his own admission, Mr. Walker fired the first shot. I cannot believe the heat that Mr. Cameron, AG for Kentucky, is taking for not filing murder charges. He is just following the rule of law. If he filed a murder charge, he would have very little evidence with which to convict. Nothing the cops did were illegal "by law." Using poor judgment or making a bad choice is not against the law.

And BTW, what you also wrote is ridiculous to the tenth power. I doubt if you have any idea as what all goes on prior to a knock-down. There is a lot of planning involved. No one just shows up at the door and kicks it in with guns blazing. This isn't a TV show or a video game.
"The fact that someone could be armed inside the apartment should have been a primary concern to them. They failed to protect the occupants, as well as themselves in the execution of a search warrant."

I also want to add that I do believe Mr. Walker when he stated that he didn't hear the police address themselves. However, that does not and should not not give him (or anyone else) a pass. What's the first rule before you fire your weapon? Identify the target, instead of just coming down the hallway blasting away. You were in the service, right? I guess the Army or whatever branch you were in also makes that clear during basic training. I know that I was taught that in the Marines and also at the Police Academy, which we had to go through a shooting course where there were pop-ups of cardboard dummies. Some where just regular people, kids and animals (cats and dogs) and others were masked intruders or whatever. You didn't want to shoot a regular person. If you did, you failed the course and had to return another day. Three chances to pass or you were out.

Lastly, I am not going to be able to convince anyone that the police were not at fault in this particular case. And, you are not going to be able to convince me otherwise. I just follow the law. What's legal is right and if the cops did something against the law, I would readily admit that they screwed-up. So, when two people cannot agree, it's just best to walk-away.

Bye!
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"Well, what would you do if someone shot at you and struck your friend who was standing beside you?"
If I decided to break into someone's house (like these cops did), I'd expect that we may be shot.
 
911 said:
The theory behind this is that because Ms. Taylor received the number of shots that she did and Mr. Walker did not get hit is that he was using her as a human shield. Supposedly, that theory did not come from the police, but from a local TV station in the Louisville area. I did not confirm this report.
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My way of thinking. The boyfriend shot her to keep her mouth shut.
I'm terrible. But that's the way I think of thugs.

I don't believe the human shield theory because the people would have to see her to shoot through her.
 
@FastTrax
"This gives the good guys complete control of everything and everybody involved and now they can conduct the rest of the investigation in relative safety. I would venture a guess that there are a number of other factors I am quite sure are at play in these situations of timely intervention after weeks or even months of investigation that probably for a small number of police departments serving diverse cultures is too tasking to incorporate nowadays so I guess sitting at the desk waiting for the phone to ring after asking the public to do ones job for one is safer for them except when the Rambo mood strikes to use that street sweeper and MP5K then I guess once that heady drug wears off all this is really academic."

Wow. That's all One Sentence!
Not criticising, just amazed! o_O

Are you/Were you a cop, FastTrax? I remember wondering that from a different thread.
 
Pepper said:
@FastTrax
"This gives the good guys complete control of everything and everybody involved and now they can conduct the rest of the investigation in relative safety. I would venture a guess that there are a number of other factors I am quite sure are at play in these situations of timely intervention after weeks or even months of investigation that probably for a small number of police departments serving diverse cultures is too tasking to incorporate nowadays so I guess sitting at the desk waiting for the phone to ring after asking the public to do ones job for one is safer for them except when the Rambo mood strikes to use that street sweeper and MP5K then I guess once that heady drug wears off all this is really academic."

Wow. That's all One Sentence!
Not criticising, just amazed! o_O

Are you/Were you a cop, FastTrax? I remember wondering that from a different thread.
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Pepper. I could never quite properly structure a sentence. I'm working on it though. Be gentle though at 70 GOD is still not finish with me, lololol. Cop? No. However working in the Northeast one comes to rely on not only railroad cops but cops in urban areas all the time to get from point A to point B in one piece and after a while strong bonds of trust and respect for each others professions are forged. Not all of them were decent but if nothing else they kept their individual proclivities to themselves and knew to tolerate all even the intolerable to get through the day and that makes all the difference. That's the mark of a man.
 
911 said:
Really?? Well, what would you do if someone shot at you and struck your friend who was standing beside you? And, by the way, they did not "initiate the events of the night" as you put it. They were legally serving a warrant. Even by his own admission, Mr. Walker fired the first shot. I cannot believe the heat that Mr. Cameron, AG for Kentucky, is taking for not filing murder charges. He is just following the rule of law. If he filed a murder charge, he would have very little evidence with which to convict. Nothing the cops did were illegal "by law." Using poor judgment or making a bad choice is not against the law.

And BTW, what you also wrote is ridiculous to the tenth power. I doubt if you have any idea as what all goes on prior to a knock-down. There is a lot of planning involved. No one just shows up at the door and kicks it in with guns blazing. This isn't a TV show or a video game.
"The fact that someone could be armed inside the apartment should have been a primary concern to them. They failed to protect the occupants, as well as themselves in the execution of a search warrant."

I also want to add that I do believe Mr. Walker when he stated that he didn't hear the police address themselves. However, that does not and should not not give him (or anyone else) a pass. What's the first rule before you fire your weapon? Identify the target, instead of just coming down the hallway blasting away. You were in the service, right? I guess the Army or whatever branch you were in also makes that clear during basic training. I know that I was taught that in the Marines and also at the Police Academy, which we had to go through a shooting course where there were pop-ups of cardboard dummies. Some where just regular people, kids and animals (cats and dogs) and others were masked intruders or whatever. You didn't want to shoot a regular person. If you did, you failed the course and had to return another day. Three chances to pass or you were out.

Lastly, I am not going to be able to convince anyone that the police were not at fault in this particular case. And, you are not going to be able to convince me otherwise. I just follow the law. What's legal is right and if the cops did something against the law, I would readily admit that they screwed-up. So, when two people cannot agree, it's just best to walk-away.

Bye!
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911, I've heard that the police were in plain clothes. Do you know if that is correct? If true, that seems weird, and dangerous for all parties involved.
 
Butterfly said:
911, I've heard that the police were in plain clothes. Do you know if that is correct? If true, that seems weird, and dangerous for all parties involved.
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They were in plain clothes but were wearing police vests. Most of them, anyway, from what I've read.

I don't know. If somebody broke down my door, I'd shoot at them. That's why I own a gun. For protection. To protect my family. And I'm not about to throw up my hands if it's the police who busted down my door. I don't violate any laws and I have a right to not be harassed, although that's not likely to happen since I'm old and a bit of a hermit. But neither Breonna or Taylor were criminals; it was a friend and previous boyfriend of Breonna who was the person of interest.
 
Plain clothed Officers who busted the door down with botched warrants all to trip them up to find drugs that weren’t there while people got needlessly shot hence the huge settlement.
Whoever was in charge of this raid did a major FAIL!!! Notice how quickly this was settled?
Weird and dangerous is right. While money can never bring a life back, at least the family was compensated for this tragic failure of the legal system. That in itself speaks volumes.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.amp.html


https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.the...-louisville-shooting-police-what-we-know.html
 

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