Are We Getting Too Lax?

Pepper said:
You list Michigan & Tennessee as your locations. I'm guessing this Golden Corral is in Tennessee. Am I right? Or wrong?
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There's one in Mi I pass often that pre covid would be lined up outside the door on weekends. Haven't been by since to see what it's like now.
 

StarSong said:
That's true.

Also agree that herd immunity not only isn't going to save us, many millions would be killed and millions more would suffer lifelong health consequences.
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It's possible some people get long term immunity, but I sure wouldn't want to roll the dice on that if I had it once. We may not know the whole story for years
 
Granny B. said:
That "herd immunity" idea is just nonsense in this case. First, there is no proof that there is long term immunity to Covid. Second, in order to reach the level of herd immunity, hundreds of thousands more people will die along the way. Are you willing to sacrifice yourself and your family/friends?
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Read the medical literature on herd immunity. We may not achieve that for years and after a vaccine is given to many. Don't take chances with your health based on this iffy and mostly not scientifically supported in the case of Covid 19.
 
LindaB said:
Since things have opened up some here in NC, our Covid cases are way up again. I think we have gotten so sick of hearing about it and being cooped up that many people have just stopped being vigilant. I see a lot of people going into stores without masks even though we are still supposed to be under mandate.
My sister is in Florida and cases are SOARING! Over 2,000 a day and the governor does nothing. Everything is wide open there. What's happening where you are?
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We're in Canada, British Columbia, and are enjoying one of the lowest Covid-19 rates on the continent, thanks to people listening, abiding by, and respecting directives issued by health officers.
 
MickaC said:
Well.......it happened.
We.....Manitoba, Canada.......got ourselves RED LOCK DOWN for the next 30 days......which brings us to December 12.
Did we do a good job or what. :cautious::(:cry:😟😔😞.
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Oh, Micka, I feel so bad for you.

I had a bad and uneasy feeling this was going to visit you. Four weeks ago it was brewing in the news.

Were you able to tackle any of your holiday shopping?
 
Aunt Marg said:
Oh, Micka, I feel so bad for you.

I had a bad and uneasy feeling this was going to visit you. Four weeks ago it was brewing in the news.

Were you able to tackle any of your holiday shopping?
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No, really is next to nothing to do, got my granddaughters birthday gift yesterday for the 29th of this month.

P. S. isn't it bedtime......lol......lol.....
Oh, sorry, i'm older....it's my bedtime.
 
Things are changing for the worst rapidly in my area.

When this thread started on October 25th we had an infection of 1.2% and yesterday the infection rate was at 3.1% and climbing.

The spike is attributed to Halloween gatherings and the fear is that gatherings/travel for Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year all happening in rapid succession will cause the numbers to increase exponentially.

We are currently in a state-designated Yellow Zone, which sounds like something out of a bad sci-fi movie, and are quickly moving towards an Orange Zone designation.

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I think that it's time for me to return to venturing out once a week during off-peak hours for groceries until after the first of the year.
 
Los Angeles cases have also spiked. Schools will not be opening until after the holidays at the very earliest, that's pretty clear. Our 7 day average is now at 4.7% and heading higher each day. :cry:

This autumn wave is occurring exactly as predicted by virologists and epidemiologists. Why so many choose to ignore them is a complete mystery. We all pay the price for those who go without masks and gather in groups.
Aunt Bea said:
I think that it's time for me to return to venturing out once a week during off-peak hours for groceries until after the first of the year.
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My daughter and I had that very conversation just yesterday. She & I shop at different types of stores (mine is more produce heavy), and as we did for the first few months of this pandemic, we'll go back to helping cross things off each other's list rather than each going to additional stores.
Sigh...
 
Evidently my state is still being too lax.

Yesterday's numbers: 5,838 new cases with 343 requiring hospitalization. 40 is still the average age of new infections.

Today's new numbers won't be posted until late afternoon.
 
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A lot, and I do mean "a lot" of Millennials and Generation X young folks just plainly don't want to listen and do what they want. A number of church gatherings don't want to listen either. Appears the only way we will be able to slow down this thing is with a vaccine.

Lots of folks are still planning on traveling to see family and friends at Thanksgiving..........a real nightmare! And, just think what's going to happen for the Christmas Holiday!
 
Here in MA we're seeing well upwards of 2,000 cases a day...I think yesterday was about 2,600...and most infections have been traced to bars, restaurants and private gatherings, not only parties but a large number in one local church. Most of these are people in their 20s and younger.

I fully understand Covid fatigue...but to answer your question, Yes, people are getting lax and in some cases out and out refusing to comply with regulations. I have to say, it frightens me.
 
CDC says cases of reinfection have been reported, but remain rare. In other words, they don't know yet.

One horrible thought is that maybe there are slight variations in the virus, similar to the different strains of flu. So having one variation does not give you immunity to all the other strains. I HOPE that is not the case, otherwise they'd have to come up with a different vaccine every year, as they do with the flu vaccine!
 
Our numbers in BC are going up radically in certain areas, so much so that we’re advised to not travel there. I wish they’d crack down on the anti maskers and those who think their customs mean they aren’t included in the rules.

Worldwide numbers are skyrocketing too.
 
ClassicRockr said:
A lot, and I do mean "a lot" of Millennials and Generation X young folks just plainly don't want to listen and do what they want. A number of church gatherings don't want to listen either. Appears the only way we will be able to slow down this thing is with a vaccine.

Lots of folks are still planning on traveling to see family and friends at Thanksgiving..........a real nightmare! And, just think what's going to happen for the Christmas Holiday!
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Everybody "listens" until it comes to something they want to do. "Everybody should stay home, except I need to go to church" "Everybody should stay home, except I have to see my family for the holidays" "Everybody should stay home, but I have to go to my bowling league" etc, etc
 
Granny B. said:
That "herd immunity" idea is just nonsense in this case. First, there is no proof that there is long term immunity to Covid. Second, in order to reach the level of herd immunity, hundreds of thousands more people will die along the way. Are you willing to sacrifice yourself and your family/friends?
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LindaB said:
No, it's not a death sentence. But the long term effects can be devastating.

From the Mayo Clinic:

It's important to remember that most people who have COVID-19 recover quickly. But the potentially long-lasting problems from COVID-19 make it even more important to reduce the spread of the disease by following precautions such as wearing masks, avoiding crowds and keeping hands clean.

COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effects
COVID-19 symptoms can sometimes
persist for months. The virus can damage the lungs, heart and brain, which increases the risk of long-term health problems.

Most people who have coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) recover completely within a few weeks. But some people — even those who had mild versions of the disease — continue to experience symptoms after their initial recovery.

Older people and people with many serious medical conditions are the most likely to experience lingering COVID-19 symptoms. The most common signs
Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:

Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.
Blood clots and blood vessel problems
COVID-19 can make blood cells more likely to clump up and form clots. While large clots can cause heart attacks and strokes, much of the heart damage caused by COVID-19 is believed to stem from very small clots that block tiny blood vessels (capillaries) in the heart muscle.

Other organs affected by blood clots include the lungs, legs, liver and kidneys. COVID-19 can also weaken blood vessels, which contributes to potentially long-lasting problems with the liver and kidneys.

Problems with mood and fatigue
People who have severe symptoms of COVID-19 often have to be treated in a hospital's intensive care unit, with mechanical assistance such as ventilators to breathe. Simply surviving this experience can make a person more likely to later develop post-traumatic stress syndrome, depression and anxiety.

Because it's difficult to predict long-term outcomes from the new COVID-19 virus, scientists are looking at the long-term effects seen in related viruses, such as severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).

Many people who have recovered from SARS have gone on to develop chronic fatigue syndrome, a complex disorder characterized by extreme fatigue that worsens with physical or mental activity, but doesn't improve with rest. The same may be true for people who have had COVID-19.

Many long-term COVID-19 effects still unknown
Much is still unknown about how COVID-19 will affect people over time. However, researchers recommend that doctors closely monitor people who have had COVID-19 to see how their organs are functioning after recovery.
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You made a very good point. I have a nephew that contacted the Covid-19 and was in the hospital for weeks. Now he needs a double lung transplant. He has been on the list for a transplant for months now. I hope more people take precautions then they are taking now. Not only to protect themselves but to protect others.
 
Sassycakes said:
You made a very good point. I have a nephew that contacted the Covid-19 and was in the hospital for weeks. Now he needs a double lung transplant. He has been on the list for a transplant for months now. I hope more people take precautions then they are taking now. Not only to protect themselves but to protect others.
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Did he have a previous lung condition or is all of the damage Covid related?
 
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