News from my local paper on Covid

MarciKS said:
KS hospitals are not as big and do not have the support of drs and nurses rushing in to help out if we get in a situation like some of these other hospitals have seen. We are in a very critical situation when the sh*t hits the fan here. I've seen an avg of 3-4 bodies every couple days making their way to our morgue. We usually meet them in the hall now. Didn't used to be as bad.

And allowing staff who've been exposed or tested positive isn't going to do us any favors. I honestly will be very surprised if I don't get it or if I get it and survive. Things are starting to go downhill here very quickly.
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Marci I pray you don't get the virus! One thing that gets me is that the traditional medical masks have gaps in them. I know it's out of desperation that these nurses infected with COVID are being allowed to work but I sure hope they are in full hasmat gear.
 

What if the entire country was threatened by an enemy power? The president is allowed, and in fact expected, to declare war, right? So why can't we just consider this disease an "enemy," which it is?

In the case of human enemies, we wouldn't expect each individual governor to decide what to do about it, would we?
 
OneEyedDiva said:
Marci I pray you don't get the virus! One thing that gets me is that the traditional medical masks have gaps in them. I know it's out of desperation that these nurses infected with COVID are being allowed to work but I sure hope they are in full hasmat gear.
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Those tending to Covid patients are. Otherwise they come down in surgical masks and safety glasses to the cafeteria and eat in there with all of us. Yesterday they were blaming our clusters on the fact that 1/2 the dining room is closed down. Which is BS because they don't distance in the dining room anymore than they do in the nurses lounges.

@Becky1951 I have read more than one article on different occasions and seen some of the videos posted on YouTube saying that the ventilators are killing some of the older folks. Don't ask me for links cuz I don't have them. And after the day I've had I'm not gonna go looking. No offense.

Half of our Covid beds are full and I imagine by the time tomorrow is through we will be either full or close to it in our Covid unit. Any procedures that are not emergencies that are going to use a bed overnight are not being allowed in case we need the bed.

@OneEyedDiva thank you. I need all the prayers I can get. I hope I don't get it either. Right now I'm really scared and not myself so I'm gonna head out for the night.

Yall take care of yourselves.
 

Sunny said:
What if the entire country was threatened by an enemy power? The president is allowed, and in fact expected, to declare war, right? So why can't we just consider this disease an "enemy," which it is?

In the case of human enemies, we wouldn't expect each individual governor to decide what to do about it, would we?
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Declaring war mobilizes the military. If the president and Congress 'could' declare war on a virus present in Americans on American soil, that would result in martial law. This article gives a good overview of what can and can't happen as a result of the pandemic.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-w...dent-declare-martial-law-response-coronavirus
 
DaveA said:
I'm glad to hear that so many are happy with the handling of the pandemic on a national level, here in the US. I guess that I was wrong in even suggesting that the federal government could have come forward, early on, with strong recommendations pertaining to the handling of this national crisis.
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I, for one, am in no way happy with the handling of the pandemic on a national level. However, the truth is that our state constitutions handle how health emergencies will be handled within the individual states. It's the law and that's just how it is.

The feds could do a hell of a lot more than they have, however, in management of resources like PPE, ventilators, etc., providing straight and transparent information about the pandemic, assisting the states with funding, etc. And yes, the federal government could have made a lot more scientifically-based, consistent, strong recommendations as to handling of this crisis.
 
Sunny said:
What if the entire country was threatened by an enemy power? The president is allowed, and in fact expected, to declare war, right? So why can't we just consider this disease an "enemy," which it is?

In the case of human enemies, we wouldn't expect each individual governor to decide what to do about it, would we?
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Under our system of government and federal and state constitutions, war and pandemics are two different colored horses, subject to entirely different laws and regulations. Barring some constitutional amendments, it's the way it is and will stay.
 
Butterfly said:
I, for one, am in no way happy with the handling of the pandemic on a national level. However, the truth is that our state constitutions handle how health emergencies will be handled within the individual states. It's the law and that's just how it is.

The feds could do a hell of a lot more than they have, however, in management of resources like PPE, ventilators, etc., providing straight and transparent information about the pandemic, assisting the states with funding, etc. And yes, the federal government could have made a lot more scientifically-based, consistent, strong recommendations as to handling of this crisis.
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I saw not one but two governors say flat out that they were made to feel as if they had to bid for PPEs for their states' hospitals as if they were on Ebay. There is something very wrong with that picture! This pandemic was mishandled since before day one (the warning came from intelligence back in November 2019 to start preparing). It did not help that the health experts who didn't agree with you know who were undermined at every turn! :mad:
 
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DaveA said:
I'm glad to hear that so many are happy with the handling of the pandemic on a national level, here in the US. I guess that I was wrong in even suggesting that the federal government could have come forward, early on, with strong recommendations pertaining to the handling of this national crisis.
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Basically you asked a question, you got schooled and now your mad because you didn't get the response you wanted.
 
Sunny said:
Don't bite my head off for asking this, but I'm curious. If the covid-19 positive nurses were restricted to caring for covid-19 patients ONLY, what would be wrong with that?
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I'm curious about where these nurses got the virus ? I mean if all the personal protective gear , mask etc. work? And are a safeguard against it ? How did they catch it? Is all the gear a crap-shoot?
 
Butterfly said:
Under our system of government and federal and state constitutions, war and pandemics are two different colored horses, subject to entirely different laws and regulations. Barring some constitutional amendments, it's the way it is and will stay.
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How about natural disasters such as floods, hurricanes, etc? Doesn't the federal government step in when needed? (At least, they're supposed to.)
 

Sunny said:
How about natural disasters such as floods, hurricanes, etc? Doesn't the federal government step in when needed? (At least, they're supposed to.)
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Again, it goes back to the states. The governor of the affected area has to formally request federal assistance.
 
rgp said:
I'm curious about where these nurses got the virus ? I mean if all the personal protective gear , mask etc. work? And are a safeguard against it ? How did they catch it? Is all the gear a crap-shoot?
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Probably multiple ways. You'd have to know what precautions each nurse took outside of work, whether or not they were practicing proper "donning and doffing" of PPE, what the viral load was in the areas in which each worked.
 
DaveA said:
I'm glad to hear that so many are happy with the handling of the pandemic on a national level, here in the US. I guess that I was wrong in even suggesting that the federal government could have come forward, early on, with strong recommendations pertaining to the handling of this national crisis.
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Re-quoting my own post - - -I understand how our system of government works. Evidently some don't understand or didn't read the words "strong recommendations". There was and is nothing stopping our federal government setting forth and recommending a plan to fight or minimize this pandemic.
They didn't and are not doing anything, rather our federal leadership has contributed nothing in the way of guidance and actually criticized individual states in their attempts to slow down the spread of this mess.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
This pandemic was mishandled since before day one (since the warning came from intelligence back in November 2019 to start preparing).
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This has perplexed and angered me from the first. How the hell did anyone advised early by intelligence of the situation in China not think this was going to go global? Yet our leaders and top health advisors were blowing it off as late as mid February, and the CDC not only flubbed the ability to test accurately, but aso sent tests out that they KNEW were flawed (NPR article hyperlink)

And I've just about become a conspiracy theory believer in that the EU, UK and US and other parts of the western world all waited until it was full blown in their areas before taking aggressive action. Did they all independently stick their heads in the sand, or was it a concerted effort to prioritize western economic interests as long as possible?
 
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DaveA said:
Re-quoting my own post - - -I understand how our system of government works. Evidently some don't understand or didn't read the words "strong recommendations". There was and is nothing stopping our federal government setting forth and recommending a plan to fight or minimize this pandemic.
They didn't and are not doing anything, rather our federal leadership has contributed nothing in the way of guidance and actually criticized individual states in their attempts to slow down the spread of this mess.
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We all know what you meant and you don't know how some of the rest of us think about things that we aren't supposed to discuss per rules of this forum. Just because you feel special enough to continually sneak your political views in frequently doesn't mean that those of us who don't act that way necessarily disagree with you.
 
Becky1951 said:
"or was it a concerted effort to prioritize western economic interests as long as possible?"

Bingo.
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The concerted part is worrying. We know all those leaders didn't get together on a conference call to do so or that would surely have been leaked by now. So are they getting marching orders? If so, from whom?
 

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