Do we really “trust in God”?

You might be interested, and maybe enlightened, by this, Aneeda. Here is what happened:

The Crucifixion of Jesus and the Jews by Mark Allan Powell


Jesus was crucified as a Jewish victim of Roman violence. On this, all written authorities agree. A Gentile Roman governor, Pontius Pilate, condemned him to death and had him tortured and executed by Gentile Roman soldiers. Jesus was indeed one of thousands of Jews crucified by the Romans.
The New Testament testifies to this basic fact but also allows for Jewish involvement in two ways. First, a few high-ranking Jewish authorities who owed their position and power to the Romans conspired with the Gentile leaders to have Jesus put to death; they are said to have been jealous of Jesus and to have viewed him as a threat to the status quo. Second, an unruly mob of people in Jerusalem called out for Jesus to be crucified—the number of persons in this crowd is not given, nor is any motive supplied for their action (except to say that they had been “stirred up,” Mark 15:11).
Whatever the historical circumstances might have been, early Christian tradition clearly and increasingly placed blame for the death of Jesus on the Jews, decreasing the Romans’ culpability. In Matthew, the Roman governor washes his hands of Jesus’ blood while the Jews proclaim, “His blood be on us and on our children!” (Matt 27:25). John’s Gospel portrays Jews as wanting to kill Jesus throughout his ministry (John 5:18, John 7:1, John 8:37). Similar sentiments are found elsewhere, including writings by Paul, who, himself a Jew, had once persecuted Christians (1Thess 2:14-15, Phil 3:5-6).
The reasons for this shift in emphasis are unclear, but one obvious possibility is that, as the church spread out into the world, Romans rather than Jews became the primary targets of evangelism; thus there could have been some motivation to let Romans “off the hook” and blame the Jews for Jesus’ death. This tendency seems to have increased dramatically after the Roman war with the Jews in the late 60s.
In any case, by the middle of the second century, the apocryphal Gospel of Peter portrays the Romans as friends of Jesus, and the Jews as the ones who crucify him. Thus, a Jewish victim of Roman violence was transformed into a Christian victim of Jewish violence. For centuries, such notions fueled anti-Semitism, leading to a crass denunciation of Jews as “Christ-killers.”
Contrary to such projections, Christian theology has always maintained that the human agents responsible for Jesus’ death are irrelevant: he gave his life willingly as a sacrifice for sin (Mark 10:45; John 18:11). Christians regularly confess that it was their sins (not the misdeeds of either Romans or Jews) that brought Jesus to the cross (Rom 5:8-9; 1Tim 1:15). In most liturgical churches, when Matthew’s Passion Narrative is read in a worship service, all members of the congregation are invited to echo Matt 27:25 aloud, crying, “Let his blood be upon us and upon our children!”

Mark Allan Powell, "Crucifixion of Jesus and the Jews", n.p. [cited 11 Jan 2021]. Online: https://www.bibleodyssey.org:443/en/passages/related-articles/crucifixion-of-jesus-and-the-jews
Thanks, but this is not new information for me. I think I pretty much said the above. Yes, I left out the part about how Pontius sent JC to the Jewish leaders and they sent him back to Pontius. But I did mention the Jewish people refused to believe he was/is the son of God. JC had a problem with the Jewish leaders and people from the beginning, and it’s still an issue.

Most of this is explained in the movie Jesus Christ Superstar, oh, as well as the Bible. I like the original version of the movie the best. Saw it as a child when it was banned by the Catholic Church, 😂. I was not raised Catholic. It has now been removed from the ban list. I don’t know it they still have a ban list.
 

Do we really trust in God or do we hedge our bets? God gave us free will so is GOD saying trust yourself, my work is done here? Or do we trust ourselves and hedge our bets by also trusting in God?

What do YOU think?
Trust is a hard thing to come by these days. But I believe trust in God should be first and foremost, because we all need a trusted authority to help us live our lives and not flounder in confusion, and if you’re going to have a trusted authority, you might as well go for the gold, so to speak. That’s how the human world all began and survived for 100,000 years and shall hopefully continue for another 100,000.
 
@MarciKS
It's not even a matter of belief or disbelief. The bible should be known, or read the Cliff Notes, just because the rest of western society know these stories and you don't want to be the one out of sync with the rest of the people. I taught my child these stories, not from belief, but from the understanding that our culture rests on these stories. If you don't understand the society you live in, you're in trouble!

The more knowledge you have, the better off you are. Always.
 
But I did mention the Jewish people refused to believe he was/is the son of God. JC had a problem with the Jewish leaders and people from the beginning, and it’s still an issue.
That's not exactly news to most of us either, Aneeda. The way I understand it is that the Jewish leaders (behaving like the politicians they were) refused to accept him as the son of God. Well, how would you feel about someone roaming around with a fanatic following, giving anti-etablishment sermons, who said he was the son of God?

OTOH, wasn't this all supposed to be part of God's plan to begin with? "He sacrificed his only son to save mankind?" If you believe that, then you have to believe that it was all orchestrated from the start, and that all the people, Romans, Jews, JC, Pilate, Judas, everybody else, were simply puppets in the drama.
 
Both your answers, @Sunny and @Aneeda72 are simplistic and bordering on offensive. If you Christians could have gotten your minds off Jews for awhile, the world would have been a better place. For my brethren anyway. I wish you guys.............ah, nevermind. Discuss away. However, as well as simplistic, the conversation is shallow, not historically accurate, and ..................ah, nevermind.
 
ps. If you think Jews refused, who were the original Christians? Ah, nevermind.
Already answered, the original Christians were Romans for the most part. Although I suppose some of the Jewish people of that time converted, but idk for sure, and other races and religions “Think Jews refused” refused what? The Jewish people did not believe that JC was the son of God. Today, they still do not believe JC is the son of God.

I am not going to argue history with you, I wasn’t there so I didn’t witness anything in person. I think the Bible is an unreliable source. But, since my nephew and his family are Jewish and they do not believe that JC is the son of God, I am fairly sure I am correct.

As for your “you Christians” comments. What are you talking about? Before JC, there were no Christians.

I think this thread needs to be closed. I request that.
 
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@MarciKS
It's not even a matter of belief or disbelief. The bible should be known, or read the Cliff Notes, just because the rest of western society know these stories and you don't want to be the one out of sync with the rest of the people. I taught my child these stories, not from belief, but from the understanding that our culture rests on these stories. If you don't understand the society you live in, you're in trouble!

The more knowledge you have, the better off you are. Always.
A great deal of the world can not read, and western society is just that, western society. I do not think reading the Bible is necessary, was ever necessary, but in today’s world where religion, in western society, has become increasingly unpopular; reading the Bible is even less necessary. IMO.
 
The earliest Christians were all Jewish, and there are many Jews today who believe in Christ. Only later when the Apostles began evangelizing Rome did the gentiles begin to convert. There was even a debate between Paul and Peter about whether or not converted gentiles should obey the Jewish Law.

Christ spoke out against the Pharisees because they represented the heart of spiritual corruption in his time and place. But even they were not all bad, as we saw with Nicodemus. The Roman empire was also a bad thing, but Christ knew the real problem was what the Pharisees represented. He had nothing against Jews per se--he was one, and all his Apostles were, too.
 
Both your answers, @Sunny and @Aneeda72 are simplistic and bordering on offensive. If you Christians could have gotten your minds off Jews for awhile, the world would have been a better place. For my brethren anyway. I wish you guys.............ah, nevermind. Discuss away. However, as well as simplistic, the conversation is shallow, not historically accurate, and ..................ah, nevermind.
"If you Christians," Pepper? Who you calling a Christian? 😁
 
A great deal of the world can not read...I do not think reading the Bible is necessary...in today’s world where religion, in western society, has become increasingly unpopular; reading the Bible is even less necessary. IMO.
It's only necessary for believers to read the Bible and for those who are still seeking answers to Life. It doesn't matter at all for those who have already chosen their own destiny.
 
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The earliest Christians were all Jewish, and there are many Jews today who believe in Christ. Only later when the Apostles began evangelizing Rome did the gentiles begin to convert. There was even a debate between Paul and Peter about whether or not converted gentiles should obey the Jewish Law.

Christ spoke out against the Pharisees because they represented the heart of spiritual corruption in his time and place. But even they were not all bad, as we saw with Nicodemus. The Roman empire was also a bad thing, but Christ knew the real problem was what the Pharisees represented. He had nothing against Jews per se--he was one, and all his Apostles were, too.
This is true. The original "Christians" were Jewish. They were the apostles.
 
Excuse my ignorance here but wasn’t it the Jews who killed Jesus and why? There are many theories out there that claim that it was the Romans who did it. I’m a bit embarrassed that I don’t really know or understand this and I watched the original ‘ Jesus Christ Super Star.’
 
It's my understanding that, yes, the Jews killed Jesus and Jesus was also a Jew. The Jews killed Jesus because they didn't believe him when he said he was the Messiah, the Son of God...despite the answer to all of the many prophesies describing the Messiah's details of lineage, who, what, when, where, and why. The Jews are still waiting for the Messiah to appear on earth. Well, many Jews do believe that Jesus is the Messiah.
A website called "Jews for Jesus" lists 40 of the top prophesies describing his coming of which Jesus fulfilled all.
Here's the link... https://jewsforjesus.org/answers/top-40-most-helpful-messianic-prophecies
 


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