German scientists make paralyzed mice walk again

[Aneeda72]

I don't share your sentiment.

The only thing I see is a family pet that was cast off before it's time, which prompts me to question how much the poor thing missed you.

Well, we agree to disagree. My son has grand mail seizures, and other types of seizures. Apparently you’ve never seen a grand mail seizure, if you ever do, then you will understand why we wanted the dog put down.

But maybe not, you might prefer to put an animal through that kind of suffering, I do not. Watching a human being, a child, your child, go through it is enough. There are plenty of TV documentaries on child with seizures.

Why don’t you watch a few of them, gain some education, and then let me know if you’d like a loved one, dog or human, to endure such agony. There are children who have hundreds of seizures a day-ignorance is bliss or so I’ve heard.

 

[win231]

This is why I would never leave a pet with the powers to be to have the animal gently put down.

Dear husband and I would be right there, right beside the pet comforting it and seeing to it that our beloved family pet exited this world with care and love.

I can't help but think you failed your pet by not being there for it at the end, Aneeda.

The main reason why we don't have a family pet, is because neither hubby or myself can stomach the loss, so more likely than not, we will never own a pet.

That's what I did & the Vet offered it. It did cost $250.00, but it was well worth it.

 

[Aneeda72]

That's what I did & the Vet offered it. It did cost $250.00, but it was well worth it.

Yes I would have got it done at the vet if I could have. On the other side, you can, in certain counties, shoot your dog. I suppose we could have had our son do that. And we paid a 100 dollars to have him down at the shelter. They just did not do it.

 

[Aunt Marg]

Yes I would have got it done at the vet if I could have. On the other side, you can, in certain counties, shoot your dog. I suppose we could have had our son do that. And we paid a 100 dollars to have him down at the shelter. They just did not do it.

I'm sickened, absolutely sickened to the core whenever I hear of a pet owner putting their pets down by shooting them.

Few things are more sickening to me than that.

 

[Aunt Marg]

Yes I would have got it done at the vet if I could have. On the other side, you can, in certain counties, shoot your dog. I suppose we could have had our son do that. And we paid a 100 dollars to have him down at the shelter. They just did not do it.

Did you seek your money back?

 

[Murrmurr]

The sad reality is that the FDA requires animal testing in medical research.
I think for cosmetic manufacturing it's no longer required or even allowed.

 

[Aneeda72]

Did you seek your money back?

No, of course not, the money is used to support the abandoned animals. We have a lot of those. My dog was, wherever he was, was fed, and warm, and receiving medical treatment even if it was treatment I did not approve of in an research center.

 

[Shalimar]

I don't share your sentiment.

The only thing I see is a family pet that was cast off before it's time, which prompts me to question how much the poor thing missed you.

If a person feels comfortable repeatedly rehoming their dogs once they reach two years or so, and beginning again with a new puppy, it stands to reason they have a different perspective.

 

[Aneeda72]

If a person feels comfortable repeatedly rehoming their dogs once they reach two years or so, and beginning again with a new puppy, it stands to reason they have a different perspective.

I suppose my attitude is also due to the hundreds of foster children I had over 30 years. You learn to love and let go, but the attachment is not as strong as it is with your own children or you could not do it. Although even your own children leave eventually, although you still see them.

I came to LOVE raising children, puppies, veggies in the garden. Then seeing them all off to a good place. (But I only ate the veggies, @Shalimar @Aunt Marg I didn’t eat the children or the puppies. ).

Hopefully Bella will be with me until I die. She will certainly be the last puppy I raise and she is a huge challenge of a puppy.

 

[Shalimar]

I suppose my attitude is also due to the hundreds of foster children I had over 30 years. You learn to love and let go, but the attachment is not as strong as it is with your own children or you could not do it. Although even your own children leave eventually, although you still see them.

I came to LOVE raising children, puppies, veggies in the garden. Then seeing them all off to a good place. (But I only ate the veggies, @Shalimar @Aunt Marg I didn’t eat the children or the puppies. ).

Hopefully Bella will be with me until I die. She will certainly be the last puppy I raise and she is a huge challenge of a puppy.

Aneeda, I certainly understand and commend you for your efforts in raising children, yours and foster, and understanding the need to let go when it is time. However, part of owning a dog is being willing to provide them with a forever home. (Unlike children, they don’t outgrow their need for us to take care of them, physically and emotionally.) That is the sacred covenant between pet and owner. If one is unable to make that commitment, fostering would be a wonderful alternative.

 

[Aneeda72]

They all get a forever home and the new owners get a well trained dog which they probably don’t have time to train. A trainer in my area trains puppies to a lesser extent than I do, and sells them for 5000 dollars. I don’t do that.

I know the “forever” home is a popular theme now, but it’s not realistic. Peoples lives change, animals come and go. After all when we marry we swear to stay marry for forever. . How awful would it be if we had to do that? There is no such thing as forever for anyone.

Dogs are not people, although Americans seem to want them to be. Dogs are overbred, sold as cute puppies. The majority of people throw those puppies in the back yard, and when they get tired of picking up the poop, off they go to the shelter to be killed because they are untrained. Reality. I like puppies.

In any event, we agree to disagree.

 

[Aunt Marg]

Shalimar said: "However, part of owning a dog is being willing to provide them with a forever home. (Unlike children, they don’t outgrow their need for us to take care of them, physically and emotionally.) That is the sacred covenant between pet and owner".

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Shalimar]

They all get a forever home and the new owners get a well trained dog which they probably don’t have time to train. A trainer in my area trains puppies to a lesser extent than I do, and sells them for 5000 dollars. I don’t do that.

I know the “forever” home is a popular theme now, but it’s not realistic. Peoples lives change, animals come and go. After all when we marry we swear to stay marry for forever. . How awful would it be if we had to do that? There is no such thing as forever for anyone.

Dogs are not people, although Americans seem to want them to be. Dogs are overbred, sold as cute puppies. The majority of people throw those puppies in the back yard, and when they get tired of picking up the poop, off they go to the shelter to be killed because they are untrained. Reality. I like puppies.

In any event, we agree to disagree.

Hmm. Things must be very different in your neck of the woods. I don’t know of anyone who tosses their puppy in the back yard, only at a later date to be sent away and condemned to death at a shelter. Of course, my dogs have

always been shelter dogs. Somehow, I don’t believe we Canucks are often better pet parents than most, merely because our pets are usually family, and treated as such, rather than temporary residents. Lol. Yes, best to agree to

disagree. I am reminded that Mahatma Gandhi once said you could tell a lot about a country by how it treated its animals. Initially, he was referring to animals raised for food, but when pressed, extended his statement to include pets also.

 

[Aunt Marg]

They all get a forever home and the new owners get a well trained dog which they probably don’t have time to train. A trainer in my area trains puppies to a lesser extent than I do, and sells them for 5000 dollars. I don’t do that.

I know the “forever” home is a popular theme now, but it’s not realistic. Peoples lives change, animals come and go. After all when we marry we swear to stay marry for forever. . How awful would it be if we had to do that? There is no such thing as forever for anyone.

Dogs are not people, although Americans seem to want them to be. Dogs are overbred, sold as cute puppies. The majority of people throw those puppies in the back yard, and when they get tired of picking up the poop, off they go to the shelter to be killed because they are untrained. Reality. I like puppies.

In any event, we agree to disagree.

You're right, dogs are not people, they're miles better than people, in that they are more dedicated, loving, and trusting.

As for things being forever, if dear husband and I do ever bite on getting a puppy or dog, trust me, it will be forever for the life of that puppy or dog.

 

[Aneeda72]

Hmm. Things must be very different in your neck of the woods. I don’t know of anyone who tosses their puppy in the back yard, only at a later date to be sent away and condemned to death at a shelter. Of course, my dogs have always been shelter dogs. Somehow, I don’t believe Canucks are better pet parents than most. Lol. Yes, best to agree to disagree.

Well, why don’t you google how many dogs are in shelters in the USA, how many shelters are still kill shelters, how many large, hmm, shelters there are that take in unadoptable dogs and how many dogs are in them, how many places it is legal to shoot an unwanted dog, how sled dogs are raised and treated in the USA and Canada , and what’s the number one dog dropped off at shelters. Not to mention puppy farms, the big kennels, service dog organizations, hobby breeds, back yard breeders and on and on.

Try educating yourself and them come and lecture me on the blight of dogs in the USA and elsewhere, especially sled dogs in Canada who live their lives tied up, individually, to mostly wooden crates in the cold and are fed a horrendous diet and frequently starve to death. See how many puppies are shot or starve. Watch the documentaries.

As to you don’t know anyone who tosses anyone their puppy into the backyard, what does that mean? It simply means you don't know. I could go on. Since you are so interested in criticizing me, before you do so any more, educate yourself as to the blight of dogs in your country.

I rarely get angry, but I had difficult medical news yesterday, and I am apparently still upset. But what I wrote is still true. @Shalimar please do not PM me, not interested.

 

[Aneeda72]

You're right, dogs are not people, they're miles better than people, in that they are more dedicated, loving, and trusting.

As for things being forever, if dear husband and I do ever bite on getting a puppy or dog, trust me, it will be forever for the life of that puppy or dog.

. So you have never even rescued a dog, which I have done, paid for medical treatment to have the dog become adoptable, cured it of being extremely aggressive towards men and aggressive in general, trained it, and re-home it. Whatever.

 

[Shalimar]

Well, why don’t you google how many dogs are in shelters in the USA, how many shelters are still kill shelters, how many large, hmm, shelters there are that take in unadoptable dogs and how many dogs are in them, how many places it is legal to shoot an unwanted dog, how sled dogs are raised and treated in the USA and Canada , and what’s the number one dog dropped off at shelters. Not to mention puppy farms, the big kennels, service dog organizations, hobby breeds, back yard breeders and on and on.

Try educating yourself and them come and lecture me on the blight of dogs in the USA and elsewhere, especially sled dogs in Canada who live their lives tied up, individually, to mostly wooden crates in the cold and are fed a horrendous diet and frequently starve to death. See how many puppies are shot or starve. Watch the documentaries.

As to you don’t know anyone who tosses anyone their puppy into the backyard, what does that mean? It simply means you don't know. I could go on. Since you are so interested in criticizing me, before you do so any more, educate yourself as to the blight of dogs in your country.

I rarely get angry, but I had difficult medical news yesterday, and I am apparently still upset. But what I wrote is still true. @Shalimar please do not PM me, not interested.

Wow, just wow. No worries, I shall not pm you. Why would I wish to subject myself to your anger, and apparent inability to hear opinions other than your own re certain subjects without being angry, assuming you are being

attacked, and retaliating with nasty personal remarks? As for difficult medical news, I am sorry if yours is such, but my own PTSD flare up and the reason behind it is no picnic either. I spent a week in hospital, just returned home yesterday. It is less than two weeks since my vet killed himself in front of me.

 

[Aneeda72]

I went and goggled so many sites-sled dog abuse-in Canada and the great while north. Educate yourselves. I know a lot about dogs because I have educated myself, because I am interested. It is easy to talk on subjects and make judgments, easier for some than others, when you know nothing about what’s it’s like to be paralyzed or have a loved one who is paralyzed.

I have seen too many children, hidden away in special schools, transported on special buses, kept in special places, and treated in special hospitals so the mass majority of so called normal people can proclaim how horrible it is to experiment on animals while taking full advantage of the medical breakthroughs that those experiments bring. I call them hypocrites.

 

[Aneeda72]

Wow, just wow. No worries, I shall not pm you. Why would I wish to subject myself to your anger, and apparent inability to hear opinions other than your own re certain subjects without being angry, assuming you are being

attacked, and retaliating with nasty personal remarks? As for difficult medical news, I am sorry if yours is such, but my own PTSD flare up and the reason behind it is no picnic either. I spent a week in hospital, just returned home yesterday. It is less than two weeks since my vet killed himself in front of me.

I am going to edit this post. Yes, I knew you would attack me for my suggesting you educate yourself about something as you have done that in the past. And brought up how educated you are and I am not.

What I said has nothing to do with being your being a victim of PTSD or your recent experience, or hospitalization. I am talking about dogs. Why bring up your personal problems here, it has nothing to do with the subject.

You are not the only one struggling on the forum.

My anger is towards my recent news from my doctor and has nothing to do with you, but explains my impatient with certain comments you made through lack of knowledge about the treatment of dogs. My post has to do with dogs.

I asked you to educated yourself on the blight of dogs before you make further comments. Whether you do this or not-is up to you.

 

[Shalimar]

I went and goggled so many sites-sled dog abuse-in Canada and the great while north. Educate yourselves. I know a lot about dogs because I have educated myself, because I am interested. It is easy to talk on subjects and make judgments, easier for some than others, when you know nothing about what’s it’s like to be paralyzed or have a loved one who is paralyzed.

I have seen too many children, hidden away in special schools, transported on special buses, kept in special places, and treated in special hospitals so the mass majority of so called normal people can proclaim how horrible it is to experiment on animals while taking full advantage of the medical breakthroughs that those experiments bring. I call them hypocrites.

One final comment, you have no idea what my life experiences entail. As many members here know, I spent many years as a child sex slave, rented out by my mother, I have seen children beaten, broken, even paralysed, and killed. Perhaps your education is more limited than you realise. Assumptions are not facts. None of us hold the patent on suffering.

 

[win231]

One final comment, you have no idea what my life experiences entail. As many members here know, I spent many years as a child sex slave, rented out by my mother, I have seen children beaten, broken, even paralysed, and killed. Perhaps your education is more limited than you realise. Assumptions are not facts. None of us hold the patent on suffering.

My mom had the patent on suffering.
In fact, on her headstone, it says "See?"

 

[Aneeda72]

One final comment, you have no idea what my life experiences entail. As many members here know, I spent many years as a child sex slave, rented out by my mother, I have seen children beaten, broken, even paralysed, and killed. Perhaps your education is more limited than you realise. Assumptions are not facts. None of us hold the patent on suffering.

What has this to do with my request that you educate yourself about the treatment of dogs in your country? And yes, you have talked about this before, and yes I’ve read what you wrote, and yes none of us know the full experiences each other has had.

Since I did foster care for children for 30 years I think I am educated about child abuse, up close and personal. And yes I‘ve sat in therapy sessions with those children. I know that process as well. And yes I’ve fostered children who have been in psychiatric hospitals, and children that have been sexually abused, and children that have sexually abused other children.

What has this got to do with dogs?-abused sled dogs in Canada? Animals used for experiments?

 

[StarSong]

That's what I did & the Vet offered it. It did cost $250.00, but it was well worth it.

We did the same,@win231. My husband stayed with our dog until her last breath. My husband's voice and touch were the last she experienced.

 

[Rosemarie]

This is interesting, however, I object strongly to using animals in experiments. It's cruel to injure something so they can try to fix it to benefit us. The animals have no voice, they have no choice. Bless the Beasts and the Children by the Carpenters. I'm trying to insert a video, but it keeps messing up.

I'm so glad you said that! I sometimes wonder whether these scientists invent things to research in order to keep themselves employed. ....And do their children have little furry creatures as pets?

 

[Rosemarie]

Maybe this is where religion works .

Mankind is supposed to dominate over animals. Exactly how that domination is supposed to work I don't know. What I do know is using animals to experiment on beats how the Germans experimented on Jews.
In order to cure disease & other forms of illness in humans. We can use humans or animals for testing.
I vote for use of animals.

I interprete this passage as being' I give you responsibility for animals'. Too many people think we have the right to do as we please with animals...that they exist purely for our benefit.