An eye for an eye

I am reminded of the time when innocent children were free to run around, walk to school and play without fear. When you figure out why that's no longer true, you may get a little closer to some answer to the OP's question.

I think that fear has increased while the actual crimes have gone down overall. Here's a site with some interesting statistics but it appears to be a little dated since the latest years it talks about are 2014 and 2013.

https://www.freerangekids.com/crime-statistics/

With our smart phones and amber alerts we're more aware of crimes or potential crimes involving children. However I'm willing to bet that such things were occurring when we were children, but they were considered "family matters" and didn't make the news. I don't have anything to back up my claims though.
 

I think that fear has increased while the actual crimes have gone down overall. Here's a site with some interesting statistics but it appears to be a little dated since the latest years it talks about are 2014 and 2013.

https://www.freerangekids.com/crime-statistics/

With our smart phones and amber alerts we're more aware of crimes or potential crimes involving children. However I'm willing to bet that such things were occurring when we were children, but they were considered "family matters" and didn't make the news. I don't have anything to back up my claims though.
Let us know when children are free to walk to play, run around and walk to school with out a parental guard.
 
In my private life, if I'm wronged, it's goodbye, forever. I'm not that great on forgiveness. That's not something I'm proud of. But if you're talking about the justice system, for me, it's what works. And it depends on what you are trying to do. Punishment or prevention. But I firmly believe we don't know what really does work. We have to unemotionally figure that out. I believe if you maliciously kill somebody, you die in prison. I'm not that great on forgiveness.
 
I think that fear has increased while the actual crimes have gone down overall. Here's a site with some interesting statistics but it appears to be a little dated since the latest years it talks about are 2014 and 2013.

https://www.freerangekids.com/crime-statistics/

With our smart phones and amber alerts we're more aware of crimes or potential crimes involving children. However I'm willing to bet that such things were occurring when we were children, but they were considered "family matters" and didn't make the news. I don't have anything to back up my claims though.
I think you are onto something here. I would have been considered a free range kid back in the 1950s. I walked to school without a parent after the first week of starting school. As kids we played games in the street and on the road and were allowed to go to the municipal swimming pool, the local park and the matinee picture shows all unsupervised by an adult. This all took place in a suburb on the then edge of Sydney that had the nickname of 'little Chicago'.

However, my mother who was raised in country towns, made sure that she educated me about danger and how to handle it, from crossing a street, travelling on public transport, getting lost and encounters with creepy men. I raised my daughter the same way. I threw in how to stay safe in the bushland and what to do if lost overnight. The lessons were passed on to her three daughters. We believe that to raise strong women it is necessary to allow them enough freedom to learn how to navigate a world that contains a certain amount of personal risk. In today's world the risks are different. We never had to negotiate the dangers of the internet but even in that potential swamp there are ways to handle danger.
 
I think you are onto something here. I would have been considered a free range kid back in the 1950s. I walked to school without a parent after the first week of starting school. As kids we played games in the street and on the road and were allowed to go to the municipal swimming pool, the local park and the matinee picture shows all unsupervised by an adult. This all took place in a suburb on the then edge of Sydney that had the nickname of 'little Chicago'.

However, my mother who was raised in country towns, made sure that she educated me about danger and how to handle it, from crossing a street, travelling on public transport, getting lost and encounters with creepy men. I raised my daughter the same way. I threw in how to stay safe in the bushland and what to do if lost overnight. The lessons were passed on to her three daughters. We believe that to raise strong women it is necessary to allow them enough freedom to learn how to navigate a world that contains a certain amount of personal risk. In today's world the risks are different. We never had to negotiate the dangers of the internet but even in that potential swamp there are ways to handle danger.
I was definitely a "free-range" kid, too.

Walked to and from school starting in kindergarten, which was an easy mile (plus) away, did it all on my own, went to the swimming pool, park, to the theatre, never a parent by my side.
 
In our legal system, severity of punishment often depends on who can afford a good attorney.
Funny you should mention that, no really funny concerning a private battle I'm engaged in those very same sentiments were expressed by "the other side" in front of the respective lawyers!
However, if it were to be true every time, that the one with the most money to spend on lawyers always won, then by extension of the argument, all that is needed to decide any dispute is an assessment of the respective wealth of the parties, then once this is done, there would be no need for lawyers to argue on points of law, or strength of evidence, no need for lawyers at all in fact, and courts would only be needed to rubber stamp orders in favour of the wealthiest! :(
 
Here's a 2015 article from the Washington Post showing that it's never been safer to be a child in the US.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ver-been-a-safer-time-to-be-a-kid-in-america/
The question for each parent is not a simple one of the level of risk you feel comfortable exposing your child too, there is the attitude of the other parent if any mishap were to occur when the child was in your care.
Then there is a maybe understandable fear any parent might have due to children being more able to communicate over the internet, plus's using almost ubiquitous mobile phones, none of these aspects needed to be considered forty years ago, and those possibly posing a risk to children can groom children via these new means.
 
Here's a 2015 article from the Washington Post showing that it's never been safer to be a child in the US.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ver-been-a-safer-time-to-be-a-kid-in-america/
Some might want to pick sources other than the WaPo, perhaps picking more directly from the DOJ, FBI, , CDC and Children's Bureau of DHS. Fortunately, the ICRW has done that for you in one of their reports on Child Sexual Abuse. I found this bit of data interesting.

Out of every 100 Rapes:
40 get reported to the police
10 lead to an arrest
8 get prosecuted
4 lead to a felony conviction
3 will spend even a single day in prison.
---------------------------------------------
97 will walk free.

Draw you own conclusions about children being safer.
 
Do you believe in an eye for an eye justice system? Why or why not?
I guess if someone caused me to lose an eye I'd be much happier if they had to pay me a quarter million dollars, it wouldn't do me any good for them to lose an eye.

Regarding free range children, if the stats are saying kids are safer now, doesn't that mean that the practice of not allowing them free range has been successful at protecting them? When I did foster care I discovered that children unsupervised by neglectful/drug-using parents get VERY VERY HURT OFTEN. But I personally really enjoyed the freedom kids had when I was young.
 
I am reminded of the time when innocent children were free to run around, walk to school and play without fear. When you figure out why that's no longer true, you may get a little closer to some answer to the OP's question.
Really, when where innocent children were to run around? Or was it just the shame of the parents over what happened to their children so great that the crimes were never reported? Or was it just children were chattels to do with as people pleased?

Children have always known fear especially before the 1970’s. I was kidnapped and raped in, hmm, 1953 from my yard. How safe was I? I was never safe not from my parents or others. The crime was not reported. The rapist was known and unpunished. My parents thought me ruined from that day forward.
 
Really, when where innocent children were to run around? Or was it just the shame of the parents over what happened to their children so great that the crimes were never reported? Or was it just children were chattels to do with as people pleased?

Children have always known fear especially before the 1970’s. I was kidnapped and raped in, hmm, 1953 from my yard. How safe was I? I was never safe not from my parents or others. The crime was not reported. The rapist was known and unpunished. My parents thought me ruined from that day forward.
When and where I grew up things were different. Children had parents and family who taught them about values, limits and consequences, which gave kids like me a lot of freedom and its associated responsibility. It may be hard to understand if you weren't there but we had far more freedom. We walked to kindergarten and early grade school, played with firecrackers, held down jobs, rode scooters, motorcycles and tractors to grade school, carried guns by the time we were 13 and traveled cross country age 16 - all of this with nobody getting shot, hurt, in trouble. We were of and from a generation that fought and were not afraid of much. People watched out for each other and folks came down real hard on crime, criminals, miscreants and kids who misbehaved.. Virtually all of us prospered as a result.
 
Some might want to pick sources other than the WaPo, perhaps picking more directly from the DOJ, FBI, , CDC and Children's Bureau of DHS. Fortunately, the ICRW has done that for you in one of their reports on Child Sexual Abuse. I found this bit of data interesting.

Out of every 100 Rapes:
40 get reported to the police
10 lead to an arrest
8 get prosecuted
4 lead to a felony conviction
3 will spend even a single day in prison.
---------------------------------------------
97 will walk free.

Draw you own conclusions about children being safer.

Rape is a horrible act and as a society we should work towards eliminating it. However I don't think it's a major factor when discussing the safety of children especially when talking about letting them walk to school and go out to play by themselves.

The link you provided to the ICRW was very useful. I found two sections especially interesting. One was about the perpetrators.

Taken from the ICRW report @JonDouglas shared:
Perpetrators of CSA are often patient, manipulative and willing to put a lot of energy into molding a relationship with a victim, which makes it difficult for the victim to easily detach. The National Center for Victims of Crime website, like many others, captures the general process of cultivation (often called grooming) that allows a perpetrator to gradually introduce sexual acts into a relationship with a child.

The other was about locations:

Perpetrators most often sexually abuse their victims in a home. A report from the Child Advocacy Center of Houston shows that 84 percent of sexual victimization of children under 12 years old took place in a residence — either the victim’s or the perpetrator’s — which was also true for 71 percent of victims ages 12-17.

Another study I found from The Rape Crisis Center lists 12 to 17 year old victims of rape represent 15% of all rape victims. Interestingly enough it seems as if rape victims under 12 are less than 1% based on the numbers they reported, but that may be a reporting problem.

https://rapecrisis.com/statistics/

Additionally from the first report it appears children from rural areas (which many people would consider safer for the to walk to and from school and to go out and play) have higher rate of child sexual abuse than urban areas.

Again from the report @JonDouglas provided the link to:
The National Sexual Violence Resource Center produced the report Unspoken Crimes: Sexual Assault in Rural America, which shows the unique challenges of dealing with CSA in rural settings. For example, there are fewer services in general for all forms of sexual violence, including for children. The communities themselves are notable because the small populations, though spread across more land, tend to be closely knit. Potential interveners outside of the home — teachers, nurses, child care providers, etc. — may be less inclined to identify signs and symptoms as CSA because they likely have longstanding friendships with potential perpetrators. Another, similar report from the National Coalition against Domestic Violence underscores that although the number of CSA victims is higher in urban areas, the rate of CSA is higher in rural areas.

What is missing from these reports is whether or not the incidence of rape and sexual abuse is higher, lower or the same between the time when many of us were free to walk to school and play outside unsupervised. I still contend that it is safer for children now but I don't have any statistics to back that up when talking about sexual abuse and rape.
 
Just because they do ”these days” that doesn’t make children safe, it means their parents are idiots, unaware of the danger, stupid, or they just don’t care.

Or their parents are aware of the dangers their children may face, teach their children how to respond to dangerous situations and also to assess whether or not they feel safe walking home or playing outside and give them options for when they don't feel safe. It is much easier today to provide a child a way to communicate with you than it was in the past.

When my son was in kindergarten and first grade he walked to school with two other neighborhood kids (both of whom were older.) I was friends with their parents and we discussed the maturity of our kids and their likelihood to act out or do foolish things before we thought it would be a good idea for them to walk together.

I would definitely agree that not all kids can handle the task of walking to school or walking home from school.

I do not think that I was unaware of the danger, stupid and I definitely cared enough to make sure both my son and I were comfortable with his walking to school before he started doing it. As I recall I also walked him to school a few times before the arrangement was made so that we could discuss the important things to look out for when walking to school.
 
Some might want to pick sources other than the WaPo, perhaps picking more directly from the DOJ, FBI, , CDC and Children's Bureau of DHS. Fortunately, the ICRW has done that for you in one of their reports on Child Sexual Abuse. I found this bit of data interesting.
Out of every 100 Rapes:
40 get reported to the police
10 lead to an arrest
8 get prosecuted
4 lead to a felony conviction
3 will spend even a single day in prison.
---------------------------------------------
97 will walk free.
Draw you own conclusions about children being safer.
Rape is a tricky one in my view, horrendous crime though it undoubtedly is, but our focus here should be on the abuse of children, or risk of abuse, or them succumbing to violence of one kind or another, in some sphere of their lives, rather than whether women choose to report rape, and whether their allegations of rape are taken seriously, (accounting for 90% of those cases covered in the statistics you quoted).
I think, as I've said, it is the far wider range of dangers, due to the internet, social media offering the opportuninity for grooming etc, these are new risks, then there is the prevalence of family breakdowns, failures of marriages, new blended families being formed more often, all these situations bring the possibility of increased risks to children.
 
I absolutely, positively believe in an eye for an eye.

Our justice system today is a farce.
When Islamic Sharia law enacts the "eye for an eye" type of justice Americans think it's barbaric. But some of it is definitely a deterrent. As for the OP...maybe sometimes and other times there's probably a better option. If somebody puts his/her hands on me or my family.....look out!
 


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