An eye for an eye

win231 said:
Think about the criminal histories of inmates on death row. They are not decent, honest working people. They became suspects because they have lengthy criminal histories & have committed other violent crimes they weren't convicted of or charged with for various reasons. They're not innocent people investigated at random.
As far as I'm concerned, any armed robber, kidnapper, rapist, or anyone who commits a violent crime should be executed; whether or not they were wrongly convicted of the murder they are incarcerated for.
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What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
 

Warrigal said:
Yes, and the other problem with holding drunk drivers to account is that people with deep pockets can get lenient treatment for themselves and for their kids. Lady Justice is supposed to be blind but I fear her ears often respond to the chink of coin. When justice is truly impartial then I might think differently.
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Exactly, hence our current pathetic justice system.
 
JonDouglas said:
I recall that Channel 7 San Diego did a 7 part series on the rise child sex trafficking and exploitation in the county and beyond. Yet another clue. Also, there was the following statement by the UN: "Rising human trafficking takes on horrific dimensions; almost a third of victims are children." Next, if you wish, add in the drug problem and number of children whose lives are affected by that. Next, look into the rise of youth gangs and related violence in both suburban areas and inner cities. As for statistics, it is quite easy to use probability and statistics to reach a false conclusion (e.g., null hypothesis, confusing statistical significance with practical significance, etc). Smart people should always be suspicious of statistics.

Finally, if you really think children are safer today, believe the statistics, take yours into the south side of Chicago (e.g., around 138th street south) and turn them loose to run around like I was able to do in my youth when visiting relatives there.
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Those are very worrying accounts and reports I agree, and in the end it doesn't matter so much whether the risks are greater or less than they once were, but whether anyone can do anything about the risks we all know exist in any era.
Good luck, good mates, avoiding known crime hotspots have protected me and mine largely till now, though there is no guarantee about tomorrow, but I'll hope for more of the same as I get older, and probably less able to protect myself.
I did see off a couple of hawkers of stolen goods in my local supermarket carpark yesterday, and I was just in the mood for them, after the couple of weeks I've had. After I'd bored them with my own tales for a minute or two, as they tried their chummy approach I used the famous phrase, "Stop right there", when they sought to show me their merchandise!
"Direct approach can get the job done pretty efficiently some times!" :)
 
Aunt Marg said:
I absolutely, positively believe in an eye for an eye.

Our justice system today is a farce.
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In the case of an eye for and eye and a tooth for a tooth means everyone is blind and toothless.
hollydolly said:
I believe in the death penalty for heinous crimes...but ONLY if proved without doubt... in the case of Lindy Chamberlain she was subject of horrendous supposition.. so in my scenario she couldn't have been sentenced to death

( that poor woman, my God how she suffered)
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I could have invited you to watch my brother executed then, had the death penalty not been struck down. Statistics show that the death penalty is not a deterrent. When my brother killed the people the death penalty was in effect.
 
I see this thread wandering into the zone of, an eye for an eye is not a deterrent.

Myself, I'm good with it not being a deterrent.

The OP simply asks, "Do you believe in an eye for an eye justice system? Why or why not"?

I've stated my opinion and given reasons as to how I feel about eye for an eye, I have little more to say.

Congratulations to those who feel today's justice system is satisfactory and working.
 
I would never allow my grandchildren to walk home alone from school, too many paedophiles around. I don't know where they were when I was a child, we never heard of a child being grabbed off the street like they do today. Child pornography seems to be on the increase, these slime balls sending obscene photos to each another on the dark web. As soon as Interpol announces they have cracked another paedophile syndicate involving several countries in the world, another one soon takes it place. If they were to receive the death penalty, I wouldn't turn a hair.
 
mellowyellow said:
I would never allow my grandchildren to walk home alone from school, too many paedophiles around. I don't know where they were when I was a child, we never heard of a child being grabbed off the street like they do today. Child pornography seems to be on the increase, these slime balls sending obscene photos to each another on the dark web. As soon as Interpol announces they have cracked another paedophile syndicate involving several countries in the world, another one soon takes it place. If they were to receive the death penalty, I wouldn't turn a hair.
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I think the same, Mellow, I don't recall ever hearing about child abductions and things when I was younger. Maybe technology and the internet has helped get the news out more than when you and I were young and growing, but it sure does make me wonder.
 
In the mid-fifties, I was walking out on the front lawn of our family home ... and a man in a green fifties-style sedan slowed, pulled up to the curb and opened the door, clearing inviting me to step in. I told my little brother, who was following me, to run back to the house, and then I followed.
 
Devi said:
In the mid-fifties, I was walking out on the front lawn of our family home ... and a man in a green fifties-style sedan slowed, pulled up to the curb and opened the door, clearing inviting me to step in. I told my little brother, who was following me, to run back to the house, and then I followed.
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I once refused a lift home when I'd walked from a nearby village and was almost home, (I'd be eleven or twelve, and had caught a different bus and was endeavouring to get home to watch Celtic football team play against AC Milan, or was it Inter Milan in the European cup final).
This was probably a very innocent occurence, seeing a young boy hot and bothered trying to hurry home, but it was my mothers training that we were never to accept lifts that came into my mind, "just in case", as you really do never know! :eek:.
 
Buckeye said:
Sorry, but there is zero evidence that the death penalty serves as a deterrent.
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Who said anything about the death penalty? Personally I think the death penalty would let people off easy if not for the fact that most of the time they're usually in prison for a long time before the sentence is carried out. I don't believe in the death penalty. One reason is that quite a few people have been proven innocent after incarceration. It would be tragic to kill somebody and find out after the fact that he/she didn't really do the crime.
 
mellowyellow said:
I would never allow my grandchildren to walk home alone from school, too many paedophiles around. I don't know where they were when I was a child, we never heard of a child being grabbed off the street like they do today. Child pornography seems to be on the increase, these slime balls sending obscene photos to each another on the dark web. As soon as Interpol announces they have cracked another paedophile syndicate involving several countries in the world, another one soon takes it place. If they were to receive the death penalty, I wouldn't turn a hair.
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I think the most worrying aspect is that so many people (mostly men) want to have sex with children. In some countries it is actually part of the culture. What sort of monsters are we breeding?
Sorry if I've gone off-topic. I would also like to add that I think the current jury system is flawed, as it's too easy for clever lawyers to influence inexperienced people; but I suppose that's off-topic too.
 
I do believe in an eye for an eye but I also wonder if the death penalty is really what I want to see applied in the case of murder. From a perspective of vengeance which is worse? Killing the offender or letting them rot in a federal prison for a long period of time - like the rest of their lives for really nasty killings.
I agree, our justice system is a farce most times. It's way too heavily weighted toward the criminal's rights and not the victim but, that is just the way the system works and until we can change it, we have to work within it so I still ask; which punishment is worse for the criminal offender? The prison terms for premeditated murder are pretty stiff. That also applies to multiple murderers.

Consider what you've seen personally this past year with Covid restrictions. Many people are going loony-toons over the Covid restrictions on their lives and that's only been in place for 1 year. Plus, people haven't totally lost their freedom in this case. Can any of us truly imagine what it would be like staring at 25 years or longer of complete loss of freedom? It's made me think about what it would be like to be locked up for life; that's for sure. And in terms of costs? It's a huge cost to the tax payer no matter what option is applied. In places where the death penalty is legal, the appeals process goes on forever and that represents a very large cost to the system as does incarceration.
 
IMO our law enforcement/justice/prison system has become a business and the people that have a vested interest in keeping that business going are more worried about their continued employment than they are about public safety, punishment, rehabilitation, etc...

I don't believe that all crimes or criminals are created equal. Some decent people have done horrible things for very good reasons and they should be punished but not written off by our society. There is a big difference in my mind over a battered spouse or child that murders their abuser and a kid that commits a murder for the thrill of it.

I have mixed feelings about the death penalty but I do believe that in some cases it is the only merciful thing to do with a severely damaged career criminal, mass murderer, etc...

IMO we would be better served to create a system that allows people to learn, work and remain productive while they are incarcerated. I also believe that we should expand the halfway house programs that allow prisoners to participate in work release, find housing, etc... before their sentence ends. It's no wonder that the recidivism rate is so high when under our current system we release people from prison with little more than a bus ticket and gate money.

"Let the punishment fit the crime." - W.S. Gilbert
 
Aunt Bea said:
IMO our law enforcement/justice/prison system has become a business and the people that have a vested interest in keeping that business going are more worried about their continued employment than they are about public safety, punishment, rehabilitation, etc...

I don't believe that all crimes or criminals are created equal. Some decent people have done horrible things for very good reasons and they should be punished but not written off by our society. There is a big difference in my mind over a battered spouse or child that murders their abuser and a kid that commits a murder for the thrill of it.

I have mixed feelings about the death penalty but I do believe that in some cases it is the only merciful thing to do with a severely damaged career criminal, mass murderer, etc...

IMO we would be better served to create a system that allows people to learn, work and remain productive while they are incarcerated. I also believe that we should expand the halfway house programs that allow prisoners to participate in work release, find housing, etc... before their sentence ends. It's no wonder that the recidivism rate is so high when under our current system we release people from prison with little more than a bus ticket and gate money.

"Let the punishment fit the crime." - W.S. Gilbert
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What did our new prez say just the other day? He wants to end for profit prisons ? If I heard correctly, I agree. Private for profit business just does not belong in certain branches of our government & civil service. And IMO prisons are certainly one of them.

"IMO we would be better served to create a system that allows people to learn, work and remain productive while they are incarcerated. I also believe that we should expand the halfway house programs that allow prisoners to participate in work release, find housing, etc... before their sentence ends. It's no wonder that the recidivism rate is so high when under our current system we release people from prison with little more than a bus ticket and gate money."

You are talking a correction system ~v~ penial system. IMO, some criminals just cannot be rehabilitated period , therefore they need to be dealt with with a more punishment approach. But I do however agree with you that many of them need a closer look, and then an appropriate change made.
 
grahamg said:
I once refused a lift home when I'd walked from a nearby village and was almost home, (I'd be eleven or twelve, and had caught a different bus and was endeavouring to get home to watch Celtic football team play against AC Milan, or was it Inter Milan in the European cup final).
This was probably a very innocent occurence, seeing a young boy hot and bothered trying to hurry home, but it was my mothers training that we were never to accept lifts that came into my mind, "just in case", as you really do never know! :eek:.
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ROFLMAO!

"Hot and bothered" here in Canada has a different context. I'll leave it at that. :giggle:
 
Gardenlover said:
Do you believe in an eye for an eye justice system? Why or why not?

My thoughts are don't do the crime if you can't pay the price.
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On the West Pediment of the U.S. Supreme Court building it reads:

"Equal Justice under law".

An "eye for an eye" has no rational application in modern Jurisprudence, and is an after-life judgment doctrine.
 
What is an appropriate "punishment"? And what exactly is a punishment supposed to do? And to get even more fundamental, what is a "crime"? Libraries are filled with huge books on these subjects, so I doubt the Senior Forum has the definitive answer. I don't. An eye for an eye is simple. Life isn't. It's easy to grasp at simple solutions, I just don't know how realistic those "simple" solutions are. If you steal $10 from Walmart, does that mean Walmart can steal $10 from you? What if you stole $1 million from Walmart, and you're broke. We live in a world of gray. Walmart has to prove you stole either the $10, or the million? Humans are complex critters. And life isn't as simple as "He stole my pen". So a simplistic eye for an eye may not benefit a complex situation. You want to be treated fairly for a crime, not just simple revenge.
 
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