Tech scams and scams in general

If you're interested in what happened when a journalist met up with a scammer, this audio only podcast is 35 minutes long and that's what it's about.
The journalist mentions a guy who investigates scammers and uses the name Jim Browning to post videos about how scams work, who and where the perpetrators are, and how you can avoid being scammed. The podcast is interesting but Jim Browning's videos are way more educational.

The podcast link is https://static.nytimes.com/podcasts...racing-the-call-bhattacharjee-nytmag-audm.mp3

The link to "Jim's" youtube channel is https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBNG0osIBAprVcZZ3ic84vw
 

Wow ........just listened to about half of this ........ makes it more sleazy then it is....in one scam actually targeting people who fell victim to another version.
I am not saying that i would never fall for these items but there are so many Red flags in many of the scams ......

Many seem to be based on getting something for nothing ........ to good to be true or finally odd computer voices claiming to be from some company often not even knowing if you have an account there ........ i remember many share this with your friends and win free tickets etc from an airline etc ... often all fake just hope to expand their potential victim list.....
i can see if people are in a hurry but most people would double check items ......... by doing their homework not jumping into a deal that expires right now etc.
 
Wow ........just listened to about half of this ........ makes it more sleazy then it is....in one scam actually targeting people who fell victim to another version.
I am not saying that i would never fall for these items but there are so many Red flags in many of the scams ......

Many seem to be based on getting something for nothing ........ to good to be true or finally odd computer voices claiming to be from some company often not even knowing if you have an account there ........ i remember many share this with your friends and win free tickets etc from an airline etc ... often all fake just hope to expand their potential victim list.....
i can see if people are in a hurry but most people would double check items ......... by doing their homework not jumping into a deal that expires right now etc.
These scammers make billions of dollars annually, so lots of people are falling for these scams. Especially the tech scams, if I were to guess. And some of the scammers resort to very cruel tactics, sometimes in the form of actual threats. The wisest thing to do at that point (if it's gone that far) is to unplug your computer. Wisest thing to do at THIS point, before a scammer calls, is watch some of Jim Browning's videos.
 

Recently I got a bank email - written in French. Canada is a bilingual country but the majority of citizens aren’t. Wonder how many opened it. I read enough that I didn’t panic that they‘ll be freezing my account that I don’t even have. 🙄
 
Recently I got a bank email - written in French. Canada is a bilingual country but the majority of citizens aren’t. Wonder how many opened it. I read enough that I didn’t panic that they‘ll be freezing my account that I don’t even have. 🙄
exactly.......... i get those telling me my prime account will be frozen .... i do not have an account with Amazon so troll for somebody else..............
i can see if a person had an account they should be calling company directly not click here or call this number etc..... but people will call that # instead of checking (on website or statements ) to see if that is the customer contact number........

around the holidays I got a text saying your shipment has been delayed with UPS click here for more details ...... i did not have anything coming via UPS but millions could have fallen for that ........
there are many examples i just do not see how some do not do the most basic step of double checking...... the friend/ grandkid etc in prison in mexico goes around every year and some grandparents wire $5000 to mexico ......... Call the kid or parents and asking if person is even in mexico etc ...call the embassy ....... but each year like clockwork we see stories of people finding out too late and acting as if this was the first time this old scam has happened
 
Back in the 80's I started getting this bill from a long distance provider. I had never agreed to it so I ignored it until the bill got above $100. I finally called the service number. It was from a provider in Atlanta. The customer service rep played a recording of me answering a series of questions and agreeing to switch my long distance. During the call I figured out that the recording was from a telephone survey I had taken months prior. My yes and no's was my voice.

I told her that she was working a scam and to never bother me again or we would be seeing each other in court. I never got another bill and since then I've never taken another phone or online survey again. That got me thinking about it when I read about Microsoft developing an AI 'creepy' app that could mimic a person's voice and you could carry on a conversation with someone. They do it now with apps creating bogus scenes with graphics for movie clips, so you have trouble telling real from fake.
 
Hardly a day goes by without getting some sort of "financial spam" e-mail, or some bogus phone call. It's become "automatic" for me to scan the titles on my e-mail, and move them to the spam folder if I don't recognize the source. The same goes for the telephone....if we don't recognize the callers number, it gets immediately blocked, without answering.
Opening these e-mails, or answering these calls, is a sure way to expose yourself to problems.
 
exactly.......... i get those telling me my prime account will be frozen .... i do not have an account with Amazon so troll for somebody else..............
i can see if a person had an account they should be calling company directly not click here or call this number etc..... but people will call that # instead of checking (on website or statements ) to see if that is the customer contact number........

around the holidays I got a text saying your shipment has been delayed with UPS click here for more details ...... i did not have anything coming via UPS but millions could have fallen for that ........
there are many examples i just do not see how some do not do the most basic step of double checking...... the friend/ grandkid etc in prison in mexico goes around every year and some grandparents wire $5000 to mexico ......... Call the kid or parents and asking if person is even in mexico etc ...call the embassy ....... but each year like clockwork we see stories of people finding out too late and acting as if this was the first time this old scam has happened
My DIL had a very hip grandmother. When she got the "grandson in prison...needs money call" she said something like "serves him right for always getting in trouble...let him stay there". LOL :ROFLMAO: I bet they were not expecting that answer. The family got a kick out of that one.

@Jeni You're right. The attraction of getting something for nothing reels 'em in.
 
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One of their most successful scams is the refund scam, where an elderly person (their favorite target) receives a voicemail from a (fake) representative at Microsoft explaining that the security software on their computer is faulty (they used to say it had expired), and so to avoid a class-action lawsuit, Microsoft is refunding each and every customer $200 whether they purchased the software themselves or it came built-in on their computer, and the message gives a number to call to get the refund.

Hundreds of people called scam-baiters call these numbers just to keep a scammer on the phone as long as possible. The more of the scammer’s time they waste, the less time s/he has to scam a victim.

Most scammers are as unaware that they’re being baited as their usual victims are that they’re being victimized, and many are just plain ignorant, so scam-baiter videos on youtube are often hilarious.

The refund scam: The victim calls the number provided in the voicemail and is asked by a Microsoft representative (the scammer) to open a program on their computer called Team Viewer, or a very similar one. This program gives the scammer full remote access to the victim’s computer. The scammer "verifies" that the faulty program is present and the computer is being infected. Eventually s/he asks the victim to log into their bank account so that they may watch in real time as “Microsoft” deposits the refund. When the victim goes to verify the deposit, he or she will notice that the “Microsoft” rep has entered in too many zeros, so that $299 might look like $2,099, or even $20,099, depending on how much the scammer saw in the victim's checking and savings accounts.

But the scammer has merely manipulated numbers to make it look like the refund amount is erroneous. No actual money is involved, no real changes have occurred. The scammer then panics because, he tells the victim, he will lose his job over this error, and the only way the now sympathetic victim can rescue him from impending ruination and his kids from starvation is for the victim to send him the over-payment in the form of prepaid visa cards, available at the victim’s nearest Target store or whatever.

That’s the point where the great majority of victims call BS and and hang up, and the scammer gets nothing. However, unless the victim has immediately unplugged their computer, they lose access to it. The moment the victim realizes it’s a scam, the scammer empties their computer of each and every file and folder, pictures and personal info included, and locks the victim out by changing their password. And while the scammer is busy doing that, s/he’s threatening to empty the victim’s bank accounts (which is impossible, but the victim rarely knows that). They are mean people whose only goal at that point is to frighten and confuse the elderly victims who won’t pay up.

This happened to my sister. It cost her $200 to have the computer looked at by a repairman who couldn’t fix it, and another $900+ to replace her computer. Moreover, the whole experience was horrible and scary and she was literally shook-up and cried about it for weeks.

It's all well and good that you won't be fooled yourself, but if you know anyone who might fall prey to any type of scam, please enlighten them. Showing them a few instructional videos like Jim Browning's, or funny scam-bait videos, or at least showing them where they can find them (youtube) would be more than a kindness.
 
I am so sick of the phone scams and the email scams. I don't answer the phone if I don't recognize the number and I never open an email if I don't know where it's from. If I do open one I never click where they say to click and see more. I just put
it in my spam folder. I explained to my husband never to say the word yes or ok, just hang up if he gets a call.
 
My recent pet peeve are so many people who seem to think " that all my information is out there anyway so why be so cautious" they will fill out " contests" trolling for private information ....... apply for any offer promising some item that makes no sense..... i see the word "free" i walk away as most is just the welcome mat to a scam or problem.

It is not just scams but actual apps etc......

I am always curious about ads I see on TV etc ......................so i will look them up to see how they can have so many things "free" most of it is tracking people buying patterns or movement to sell that information etc.....some of these "new" online banks are old banks that had issues just RENAMED .....

An APP ( called DAVE) promising to front you money no interest for many who have trouble and need some cash now type ..... when I looked it up they LITERALLY insist you give them your login/ password information to your bank................
Every bank I have dealt with says do not share this information with anyone...........let alone a third party app.

i read many who fell for this had to move quickly and were forced to close bank accounts .......even change banks .... because app would access all their account and if you opened new account with same bank ......they had the bank give them access....because you at one time allowed it.
 
My DIL had a very hip grandmother. When she got the "grandson in prison...needs money call" she said something like "serves him right for always getting in trouble...let him stay there". LOL :ROFLMAO: I bet they were not expecting that answer. The family got a kick out of that one.

@Jeni You're right. The attraction of getting something for nothing reels 'em in.
Now that's a scam I've never heard of....:oops:
 
Now that's a scam I've never heard of....:oops:
The grandchild in trouble is a very common one here. Even if your bank suspects that someone is getting money to pay a scammer, they can’t interfere. One teller suggested this and then couldn’t say anymore to her. The lady or her family did permit her story to be told in the newspaper later.

I love that Grandmother’s reply.
 
This happened to my sister. It cost her $200 to have the computer looked at by a repairman who couldn’t fix it, and another $900+ to replace her computer. Moreover, the whole experience was horrible and scary and she was literally shook-up and cried about it for weeks.
My neighbor fell for this also several years ago. She had an older desktop, paid the scammer $175 to no avail. I suggested either buy a new unit or I could install a Linux system for nothing. She accepted No 2, it's still running.
 
The grandchild in trouble is a very common one here. Even if your bank suspects that someone is getting money to pay a scammer, they can’t interfere. One teller suggested this and then couldn’t say anymore to her. The lady or her family did permit her story to be told in the newspaper later.

I love that Grandmother’s reply.
In the states ...........most of the people that were stopped from sending money .........were alerted by bank tellers etc that spot these types of transactions. ............. odd to me, that banks would not be allowed to interfere.
There are a great deal of scams that have been averted by bank employees........
 
In the states ...........most of the people that were stopped from sending money .........were alerted by bank tellers etc that spot these types of transactions. ............. odd to me, that banks would not be allowed to interfere.
There are a great deal of scams that have been averted by bank employees........
A lot of scammers instruct the victim to withdraw cash from their bank and then buy prepaid cards from Target or Walmart or Best Buy and a few others - used to be Western Union, but that's traceable. Then they instruct the victim to scratch off the strip on the back of the card and read off the numbers.

The scammer stays on the phone with the victim the entire time to make sure they don't tell the bank teller why they are making a large withdrawal, or tell the Target cashier what the cards are for. Banks and SOME stores that sell prepaid cards are aware of these scams but can do nothing if the customer insists on making these transactions.

Jim Browning has discovered a way to listen in on scam calls and access the scammer's computers. So he can watch and hear the whole process. He calls the victim to warn them if possible, but he can't while they're on the phone with the scammer. On a few occasions, he's called the victim's bank and the bank has stopped the victim from withdrawing their money. Jim gets the bank's phone number from the scammer's computer (after he's gained remote access to victim's comp).

The access Jim Browning has to scammer's computers is illegal. Jim Browning is his alias. Jim doesn't reveal his face or where he works or lives on his videos because he could be arrested for accessing scammer's equipment, and he's received death threats from some extremely wealthy scam operators.

He devotes thousands of hours and dollars and his technical skills to expose scammers and save victims whenever possible. Unfortunately, his most achievable goal is educating potential victims, and 99% of them are elderly people who live alone.

Here's a nail-biting video where he stopped a scam in the nick of time:

 
That‘s easy to say. Mental deterioration can happen to even the brightest as we age.
Precisely! People who fall victim to these scams are not stupid; they may be unaware, too trusting, or in a diminished capacity. And the majority of these victims don't have anybody to look out for them. WE have to be the ones.

When I first discovered Jim Browning, a friend and I started going to senior activity centers to give a demonstration about scams. Senior activity centers is where old folks could go for a few hours of fun and exercise and then go home. They are all closed now, but at least we can fully inform all our elderly relatives and neighbors who use a computer and/or have a phone, and maybe give them our number to call if they suspect a scam or are threatened by a scammer.

Also I joined Jim Browning's Patreon. I can only give $10/mo but every bit helps.
 
If you're interested in what happened when a journalist met up with a scammer, this audio only podcast is 35 minutes long and that's what it's about.
The journalist mentions a guy who investigates scammers and uses the name Jim Browning to post videos about how scams work, who and where the perpetrators are, and how you can avoid being scammed. The podcast is interesting but Jim Browning's videos are way more educational.

The podcast link is https://static.nytimes.com/podcasts...racing-the-call-bhattacharjee-nytmag-audm.mp3

The link to "Jim's" youtube channel is https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBNG0osIBAprVcZZ3ic84vw
Thanks Murrmurr. That was a great podcast. I listened the whole 36 minutes. I wish that more people were aware of these scams. I have a great interest in this topic since years ago when I subscribed to "Consumer Reports" with articles on scams. I believe that a lack of education is the cause of many of these scams. Yes, I know, that the scammers are usually from India & yes, they are desperate for work. However, we need to stop being greedy & stop believing that we won millions from "Publishing Clearing House" or that we won a free cruise. The general rule is never accept phone calls from strangers, never give out your social security number, never allow anyone to get into your computer & never give out banking information. This is especially important for us seniors who are often lonely & who like to believe that most people are nice. Most people are really nice but scanners are not. They are after you money. I always believed that there is power in education. Thanks again.
 
I once read about a young college student who was scammed out of $3,000 (I think it was). She was told she owed the IRS and to put the money on an iTunes card. You have to be a special kind of stupid to think a government agency wants payment via an iTunes card! Apparently she didn't learn much in college.
 
I once read about a young college student who was scammed out of $3,000 (I think it was). She was told she owed the IRS and to put the money on an iTunes card. You have to be a special kind of stupid to think a government agency wants payment via an iTunes card! Apparently she didn't learn much in college.
I heard about that one, too, and saw a video about it. The scammer tells the victim that the IRS has their assets temporarily frozen. That's how they convince the victim that these cards are the only means of payment and to prevent them being arrested. In fact, they tell the victim that enforcement officers will arrive at their address in 45 minutes, that's the reason for their call, to warn them (the victim).

How many college students know how the IRS works, and what powers they actually have? I know the IRS doesn't have the power to send law enforcement to my door, or to freeze my assets at a moment's notice. I know a case has to be opened before the IRS can do anything to me, and that such a case can take months and is preceded by lots of letters letting me know there is a case and what it's about.

But I'll cut that college student some slack because how many 20-somethings know all that? I only know because I looked into it, mostly online, and not until I was in my 40s. Sadly, Miss Diva, this stuff isn't taught in schools, and it's not normal dinner conversation either, not in most households.
 


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