Many Healthcare Workers Refusing Vaccine

I suspect that some health care workers are hesitant because they have seen, first hand, the side effects of other vaccines and drugs....which can sometimes be worse than the original illness. It will probably be years before there is any real data to show the long term effectiveness...OR risks...associated with getting these CV vaccines.

This is truly a "damned if you do...damned if you don't" situation.
 
I read an article recently that a major grocery retailer is offered a $100 bonus to those workers willing to get one of the vaccines .....

I imagine that many more companies may follow .............. this seems a bit hasty since they will turn around and try to promote to customers some sense of safety even though there is no proof that the vaccines will stop the chance of workers spreading it to others

Seems to me that seems low reward ........ for possibly having long term issues or risking reactions for.
 

Jeni said:
I read an article recently that a major grocery retailer is offered a $100 bonus to those workers willing to get one of the vaccines .....

I imagine that many more companies may follow .............. this seems a bit hasty since they will turn around and try to promote to customers some sense of safety even though there is no proof that the vaccines will stop the chance of workers spreading it to others

Seems to me that seems low reward ........ for possibly having long term issues or risking reactions for.
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There isn't enough money in this world to sway me doing something I'm not comfortable doing, and I'm hoping there are a lot more who are just like me.
 
Just my opinion but those that don't get the vaccine won't be able to go anywhere without proof that they had the shot. Travel by air, train, bus, etc. and maybe some stores will refuse admittance. I know it is up to each individual to decide but just saying that I am sure there will be consequences whether you get a vaccine or not. Only time will tell.
 
I will not be getting anything until I know it's safe! I have recovered from Covid 19 my doctors have pushed the vaccine like they are a damn commercial for it..I almost went along with it just so they'd shut up! But that is one appointment I will not be showing up for..

They are targeting us older folks first with a brand new experimental vaccine that has not been proven to do anything beneficial and nobody thinks anything of it..Especially in this political climate! And the CDC removed immunity from infection from their page about herd immunity, it Only says vaccines now..
That is very peculiar.

This world is a crazy and I am afraid of what is next..Many great folks our age are no longer here and it is all for a politicized virus and money hungry vaccine companies!!! I I took the risk once already and I will still not inject that.. Maybe once a reputable company comes out with one using the usual vaccines..And of course has been properly tested!
 
I suppose it depends on who is making it and the
transparency of their trials, plus the reputation of
that company.

We have had positive reports all the time during
the laboratory testing, then during the real time
trials on humans, so we have had very few negative
reports or dire consequences from the roll out of it.

We were even told about the possibility of side effects,
yet still many people refuse to have it.

Mike.
 
I had COVID-19 last spring and have been ok ever since. I also took the 2 doses of Pfizer vaccine and had a few dicey days of being ill after each. Am fine now. Israel has had in place a testing program for the effectiveness of Pfizer and after the 2 doses, took different age groups, exposed them up front and personal to those with COVID and not one vaccinated person has become ill. They are giving a 100% effective thumbs up to this particular vaccine, and now I am glad I did opt to get it.
 
jamesrush308 said:
I will not be getting anything until I know it's safe! I have recovered from Covid 19 my doctors have pushed the vaccine like they are a damn commercial for it..I almost went along with it just so they'd shut up! But that is one appointment I will not be showing up for..
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As another recovered covid person there's been a few people who've had covid who got the vaccine and had severe reactions including death. There's no consensus on if it's safe for recovered people to get the vaccine. Until I see that I'll hold off awhile.
 
jamesrush308 said:
I will not be getting anything until I know it's safe! I have recovered from Covid 19 my doctors have pushed the vaccine like they are a damn commercial for it..I almost went along with it just so they'd shut up! But that is one appointment I will not be showing up for..

They are targeting us older folks first with a brand new experimental vaccine that has not been proven to do anything beneficial and nobody thinks anything of it..Especially in this political climate! And the CDC removed immunity from infection from their page about herd immunity, it Only says vaccines now..
That is very peculiar.

This world is a crazy and I am afraid of what is next..Many great folks our age are no longer here and it is all for a politicized virus and money hungry vaccine companies!!! I I took the risk once already and I will still not inject that.. Maybe once a reputable company comes out with one using the usual vaccines..And of course has been properly tested!
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Exactly .... if these shots are so great they would sell themselves and not need either bribes to take from companies or threats of non admittance etc.....
The CDC site is constantly massaging their messages to reflect more PC then science.......
that is why IMO .... CDC lost a lot of credibility over this whole thing........... the ever changing messages ...the fear mongering etc
 
It takes years to study the effects of any vaccine.

I understand that this virus has caused the extreme circumstances of rushing it.

But no matter how you slice it, dice it, and try to serve it up, we are still Guinea pigs.

For those who decided to take a leap of faith and get the vaccine, awesome, you are comfortable with your decision.

For those like me who are not yet convinced, I for one am tired of having it shoved down my throat by media, by Dr's who are self appointed "experts". Everytime an article is released by various news, it has a different "expert" telling us to get the vaccine.

It's like, ok, the minions didn't listen to our "experts A, B, and C. So let's find us a Dr , X, Y, and Z to push it.
 
Our county Health Dept. called this morning, and said they had a shipment of vaccine, and wanted to schedule us. I am getting the first shot Wednesday morning, but my wife is going to wait a couple of weeks....in case I have issues with the vaccine....better that we don't get the shots at the same time....IMO. It's a bit of a gamble, but we're ready to start the path back to Normal.....wish me luck.
 
The 10 or so nurses, docs and health care professionals I know were eager for vaccines and have gotten both shots already. No side effects beyond mild symptoms for a day or two. A retired MD and RN I know in Florida volunteered in a clinic in exchange for being vaccinated.

Of all my friends and relatives who've talked about this, only one isn't keen to be vaccinated. Teachers are especially ready to roll up their sleeve so they can safely return to the classrooms.
 
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My summary of the article is as follows:

  1. It's based on a survey taken the first week of January before there had been widespread vaccinations, so it's somewhat old data.
  2. One of the people who had been hesitant was so because she didn't think that the distribution to non-whites was equitable and she had other questions but she has gotten vaccinated.
  3. Some are reluctant because they developed a distrust for their employers and the government who failed to get them masks and PPE earlier on in the pandemic.
  4. Employers who have mandated vaccinations have increased some healthcare workers mistrust of their employers.
  5. Some who are hesitant are female healthcare workers who are pregnant or may get pregnant
  6. Many healthcare workers (security people, cleaning staff, orderlies, nursing home aides, etc...) only have high school educations and don't have the level of medical and healthcare training that other healthcare workers have.
  7. Past history including the Tuskegee syphilis studies lead to mistrust in some people.

So my take on the article is that it's a nothing burger overall.

I have the personal experience of having my son (who is a healthcare worker) and my father have both been vaccinated already so I have great genetic comparisons that give me reason to trust the vaccines. I'm pretty sure my son had Pfizer and my father had Moderna. However I doubt I'll be able to get mine until next month so time will tell what I can get.
 
asp3, please explain #6.
  1. "Many healthcare workers (security people, cleaning staff, orderlies, nursing home aides, etc...) only have high school educations and don't have the level of medical and healthcare training that other healthcare workers have."
Higher education does not always mean higher intelligence.

Many with degrees end up working in a less level of employment.
 
The article also lumps nursing home workers in as health care workers but most nursing home workers are aides with no formal education, they do the dirty work (and God bless them for that) but it's not like these are people who have nursing school degrees or doctorates, etc. I imagine it also includes the janitors, etc so maybe not the most educated people. And I say that with all respect but just to point out when we hear health care workers you tend to think of nurses and Doctors.
 
Becky1951 said:
asp3, please explain #6.
  1. "Many healthcare workers (security people, cleaning staff, orderlies, nursing home aides, etc...) only have high school educations and don't have the level of medical and healthcare training that other healthcare workers have."
Higher education does not always mean higher intelligence.

Many with degrees end up working in a less level of employment.
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That's what was in the article itself, I was just putting it in the summary. I agree that lack of higher education is not an indication of less intelligence.

However I think the point was that not all workers who are considered healthcare workers have formal medical and healthcare related education beyond what one can learn in high school. I do however agree that many have experience which has given them more information than the average high school graduate.
 
garyt1957 said:
The article also lumps nursing home workers in as health care workers but most nursing home workers are aides with no formal education, they do the dirty work (and God bless them for that) but it's not like these are people who have nursing school degrees or doctorates, etc. I imagine it also includes the janitors, etc so maybe not the most educated people. And I say that with all respect but just to point out when we hear health care workers you tend to think of nurses and Doctors.
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It's true we think of only Dr's and nurses.

But once again, higher education does not always equate to higher intelligence. To imply those with a lower level education is without the intelligence to make an informed decision is degrading IMO.
 
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