My new dog

[J.B Books]

Aneeda,

I have stayed away from posting on this thread. But I check in out of curiosity to see how your progress is going.

At the risk of giving unwanted advice I will suggest this anyway.

The best book on dog training and still considered the bible of dog training is:

" Training you to train your dog"
Published in 1946. Written by Blanche Saunders.

You can still find copies of it on Ebay or Amazon.

It will save you a lot of time, money, and blood. LOL

Do a quick search on Blanche and you will be amazed at her credentials and accomplishments within the dog world, AKC, etc.

 

[Aneeda72]

Aneeda,

I have stayed away from posting on this thread. But I check in out of curiosity to see how your progress is going.

At the risk of giving unwanted advice I will suggest this anyway.

The best book on dog training and still considered the bible of dog training is:

" Training you to train your dog"
Published in 1946. Written by Blanche Saunders.

You can still find copies of it on Ebay or Amazon.

It will save you a lot of time, money, and blood. LOL

Do a quick search on Blanche and you will be amazed at her credentials and accomplishments within the dog world, AKC, etc.

Yes thanks. I cannot buy every book everyone suggests but I will check it out if the library ever opens. It is closed because it is still in the process of being built, no books in it yet.

I have read several books, posts, trained several large dogs, and taken several dogs to training with different trainers since I was 10 years old. What I have learned, over those years, is like humans all dogs are different. And all trainers have different training methods.

Having said that Corgis start biting at 10-11 weeks according to the research I’ve done. It’s a common problem. Getting her to stop, without hitting her which is old school, is hard. She is doing a lot less mouthing and I can now let her out of her crate and leash her up with no mouthing at all.

She is mildly food aggressive having backed down from her previous issue. I increased her food and that helped for some reason, and she now leaves food, a couple pieces, in the bowl. Has not tried to bite me again over food, but I am careful and following the on line instructions to deal with this issue.

My bite from yesterday is not infected. It was a mouthing issue that became a bite when she mouthed too hard, her tooth got caught in my skin, and I removed my hand from her mouth. I spoke to a trainer when she was 9 weeks old about this, and she confirmed what it knew.

The more excited Bella gets the harder she mouths. The board and train I am sending her to, in April, works on getting excitable puppies to calm down. Having said that, Corgis seem to be a breed that dances to a different doggie tune. . She is a LOT smarter than I though she would be.

Add suggestions any time you wish. If you have some specific suggestion on how to control her mouthing/biting, I would welcome it as long as it does not involve physical punishment. Meanwhile, she is in puppy training at Petsmart, she goes to board and train in April, and in between probably a few private lessons.

She will be about six months at the end of training and if she still has a mouthing/biting issue she will go to a different type of trainer that deals with those issues, or there are other options.

 

[Aneeda72]

Played some fetch with her royal highness today, she did well, then she got bored. Did leave it and take it training. It’s obvious this is not getting through and will take time. Bella here training going very well.

As recommended I hand fed her today. . Put on the thick glove, her lunch in my hand, and she took food from my hand, dropped it on the floor, and then ate it. Didn’t mouth or try to bite the hand that fed her once.

So breakfast is served outside in puppy pen, lunch will be served from my hand with glove on for at least two weeks, and dinner from her slow feeder bowl served in different places around the house, as recommended. So that no one “place” is considered to be solely “her” space to eat. She continues to be gentle in taking treats.

She does get too excited when trying to access the treats in my “leave it hand” so I have a glove on that hand as she mouths and scratches at it. But normal puppy behavior no aggression at all.

When walking her, in the backyard this morning, she only grabbed at my pants once instead of every five seconds. I can put her in and take her out of play pen with no attempt to mouth. When told drop it, she lets go of the leash and I can get her out the front door without all the lunging, barking, fit taking she used to do.

Lots of progress is being made. She spends a good deal of time in the outdoor play pen and indoor pen is no longer in use. She now holds potty for four hours and could probably hold for five if needed. She never has had an accident in her crate. No more accidents in the house.

Sits without being told on going out and coming in the back door. Sits without being told going out front door, but has to be told to sit before coming in. We continue to have Bella sit for everything.

 

[MickaC]

Played some fetch with her royal highness today, she did well, then she got bored. Did leave it and take it training. It’s obvious this is not getting through and will take time. Bella here training going very well.

As recommended I hand fed her today. . Put on the thick glove, her lunch in my hand, and she took food from my hand, dropped it on the floor, and then ate it. Didn’t mouth or try to bite the hand that fed her once.

So breakfast is served outside in puppy pen, lunch will be served from my hand with glove on for at least two weeks, and dinner from her slow feeder bowl served in different places around the house, as recommended. So that no one “place” is considered to be solely “her” space to eat. She continues to be gentle in taking treats.

She does get too excited when trying to access the treats in my “leave it hand” so I have a glove on that hand as she mouths and scratches at it. But normal puppy behavior no aggression at all.

When walking her, in the backyard this morning, she only grabbed at my pants once instead of every five seconds. I can put her in and take her out of play pen with no attempt to mouth. When told drop it, she lets go of the leash and I can get her out the front door without all the lunging, barking, fit taking she used to do.

Lots of progress is being made. She spends a good deal of time in the outdoor play pen and indoor pen is no longer in use. She now holds potty for four hours and could probably hold for five if needed. She never has had an accident in her crate. No more accidents in the house.

Sits without being told on going out and coming in the back door. Sits without being told going out front door, but has to be told to sit before coming in. We continue to have Bella sit for everything.

Aneeda....great job.......Bella......GOOD GIRL.
She will find her title of ROYAL HIGHNESS very fitting to her......Micki did.

 

[Aneeda72]

She is doing better with the mouthing so I have hope. She now goes outside at 6 or 6:30, eats at 7, and plays till 8. Interesting side note, every dog we have previously owned potties right at the gate to their pen or dog run. (We never let a dog free range in the yard @Aunt Marg too many dangers, especially for a small dog.

Bella, bless her corgi heart, potties at the far end of her pen so she is not running through the mess or standing in it at the gate. Then I let her out of the pen, and we walk back and forth the length of the yard. We practice “drop it”as she picks up various pieces of wood to chew, branches, other crap, eats grass, zooms around, sometimes circles me running, running running, until I get dizzy.

Then she jumps up and down from the raised garden, only a castle rock high, peaks into the other yard, and runs some more. If I can get far enough away from her, I stop, turn, and call Bella here. She runs to me, stops, sits, and gets a treat. About six times after this routine, into the house where she grabs a drink.

Then fetch the balls, sometimes yes, sometimes no. If she brings a ball back near me or past me, click, treat, otherwise no treat. We practice leave it and take it. I wear a glove on my leave it hand. We practice touch, and sit, and sit, and sit. . Then nap time for Bella cause I am tired .

Today, she did NOT grab my pants once or bite my shoe. . She is learning to investigate the bigger yard more, realizing that the dogs on both sides cannot get to her although she still stays away from the fence. And looks at me as of to ask will that strange creature sitting over there (bird) making a bunch of noise eat me?

Actually, it will be hawk time soon, and a hawk will grab a 10 pound puppy, just like they will grab a 10 pound rabbit so we will have to figure out a cover for her pen or use a dog run with a cover. They should be on sale at Costco soon.

Bella still weights ten pounds so she is on the small size. Someone was selling a 7 month old corgi for only 500 dollars. NO, NO, Aneeda, NO. I was so tempted, but I didn’t. Besides, truth be told, I do not have 500 dollars.

 

[Aunt Marg]

She is doing better with the mouthing so I have hope. She now goes outside at 6 or 6:30, eats at 7, and plays till 8. Interesting side note, every dog we have previously owned potties right at the gate to their pen or dog run. (We never let a dog free range in the yard @Aunt Marg too many dangers, especially for a small dog.

Bella, bless her corgi heart, potties at the far end of her pen so she is not running through the mess or standing in it at the gate. Then I let her out of the pen, and we walk back and forth the length of the yard. We practice “drop it”as she picks up various pieces of wood to chew, branches, other crap, eats grass, zooms around, sometimes circles me running, running running, until I get dizzy.

Then she jumps up and down from the raised garden, only a castle rock high, peaks into the other yard, and runs some more. If I can get far enough away from her, I stop, turn, and call Bella here. She runs to me, stops, sits, and gets a treat. About six times after this routine, into the house where she grabs a drink.

Then fetch the balls, sometimes yes, sometimes no. If she brings a ball back near me or past me, click, treat, otherwise no treat. We practice leave it and take it. I wear a glove on my leave it hand. We practice touch, and sit, and sit, and sit. . Then nap time for Bella cause I am tired .

Today, she did NOT grab my pants once or bite my shoe. . She is learning to investigate the bigger yard more, realizing that the dogs on both sides cannot get to her although she still stays away from the fence. And looks at me as of to ask will that strange creature sitting over there (bird) making a bunch of noise eat me?

Actually, it will be hawk time soon, and a hawk will grab a 10 pound puppy, just like they will grab a 10 pound rabbit so we will have to figure out a cover for her pen or use a dog run with a cover. They should be on sale at Costco soon.

Bella still weights ten pounds so she is on the small size. Someone was selling a 7 month old corgi for only 500 dollars. NO, NO, Aneeda, NO. I was so tempted, but I didn’t. Besides, truth be told, I do not have 500 dollars.

What kind of dangers?

 

[J.B Books]

What kind of dangers?

I have the same concerns when I have a small dog. For me it's Birds of prey, coyotes, foxes. skunks, possums, etc.
Mainly the coyotes.

 

[Aunt Marg]

I have the same concerns when I have a small dog. For me it's Birds of prey, coyotes, foxes. skunks, possums, etc.
Mainly the coyotes.

I'm gathering you don't have a fenced-in yard?

 

[Devi]

As far as I understand (from having lived in a state with a lot of coyotes that go into suburban areas), coyotes can get over fences pretty easily. And birds of prey have no problem with fences.

 

[Aunt Marg]

As far as I understand (from having lived in a state with a lot of coyotes that go into suburban areas), coyotes can get over fences pretty easily. And birds of prey have no problem with fences.

Well, we live in a wildlife haven, more bigger game and bird or prey than anywhere I know, yet I've never heard of a family pet being snatched from someone's yard, and as for coyotes and other larger predators, the only animal that climbs our fence are raccoons, and that happens only in the fall to get at our fruit trees.

Shrug shoulders, if I had a smaller dog I'd be out in the yard playing with it.

Edited to correct spelling.

 

[J.B Books]

I'm gathering you don't have a fenced-in yard?

Yes, Coyotes have no problem with fences. Skunks and possum dig under the stockade fence I have in the back facing the woods, and birds are just well,.... birds. Red Tail hawks, coopers hawks, Osprey, owls......
We have eagles too, but they hang out by the lakes and rivers.
Front yard is not fenced.

By the way. Nobody has out door cats around here. Favorite food for coyotes.

 

[Aunt Marg]

Yes, Coyotes have no problem with fences. Skunks and possum dig under the stockade fence I have in the back facing the woods, and birds are just well,.... birds. Red Tail hawks, coopers hawks, Osprey, owls......
We have eagles too, but they hang out by the lakes and rivers.
Front yard is not fenced.

Oh boy, sounds like all you people should remain locked in your houses then.

We have cougars and bears that come right up to our front door, yet not one neighbour has ever lost an animal to either.

I gather birds of prey and other predators are more aggressive in your part of the country than in ours.

 

[J.B Books]

Small dogs go missing here all the time due to coyotes.
I think it's an over populations thing because they are just so bold and walk down the street in broad daylight sometimes.

 

[Aunt Marg]

Small dogs go missing here all the time due to coyotes.
I think it's an over populations thing because they are just so bold and walk down the street in broad daylight sometimes.

Sheesh, that's crazy.

 

[Aneeda72]

I'm gathering you don't have a fenced-in yard?

Actually fences don’t help with birds, coyotes, and large cats, to name a few. Birds fly, coyotes jump over and dig under, and cats climb. Animals are the same everywhere.

 

[Aneeda72]

I have the same concerns when I have a small dog. For me it's Birds of prey, coyotes, foxes. skunks, possums, etc.
Mainly the coyotes.

We have foxes, birds of prey, skunks, possums, and deer. I have never seen a coyote here, but I am sure we have them.

 

[Aneeda72]

Well, we live in a wildlife haven, more bigger game and bird or prey than anywhere I know, yet I've never heard of a family pet being snatched from someone's yard, and as for coyotes and other larger predators, the only animal that climbs our fence are raccoons, and that happens only in the fall to get at our fruit trees.

Shrug shoulders, if I had a smaller dog I'd be out in the yard playing with it.

Edited to correct spelling.

And yet you’ve never had a dog and know nothing about them

 

[Aneeda72]

Took Bella to make up training, , the two young trainees are clueless. They sat down and started playing with Bella, got her nice and excited. told them to stop, told them to stand up, ignored. Then she bit one of them, hard, but didn’t draw blood. There you go. Hopefully lesson learned. But I doubt it.

Really good day with Bella, I did not get bit once. She was very mellow today, except at dog training .

 

[Sliverfox]

Agree the trainees sound clueless.
Do you think they know what a dog is?

 

[Aneeda72]

Agree the trainees sound clueless.
Do you think they know what a dog is?

It was so funny it was hard not to laugh. The trainee had a shocked face, made a ouch sound, checked her hand for blood, and start shaking it. Hopefully she remembers next week that Bella bites hard when she is excited.

Finally, the trainer actually told her a few times to not act the way she was as she was doing other stupid things. Once I asked her what are you doing? She replied trying to get her to sit longer. Well, don’t, I said, she not mature enough mentally to sit longer. Dogs, like children, mature at different rates.

Serious training starts between 4 and 6 months. I can’t believe how unknowledgeable some people are.

 

[MickaC]

It was so funny it was hard not to laugh. The trainee had a shocked face, made a ouch sound, checked her hand for blood, and start shaking it. Hopefully she remembers next week that Bella bites hard when she is excited.

Finally, the trainer actually told her a few times to not act the way she was as she was doing other stupid things. Once I asked her what are you doing? She replied trying to get her to sit longer. Well, don’t, I said, she not mature enough mentally to sit longer. Dogs, like children, mature at different rates.

Serious training starts between 4 and 6 months. I can’t believe how unknowledgeable some people are.

How frustrating......you'd think being a trainer.....they would know how to train.....instead, " the trainer needs to be trained. "

 

[Aneeda72]

At one point I noticed the trainer trainee was holding out her hand to Bella and with drawing it, frustrating Bella a great deal; because Bella thought she was getting a treat and she didn’t. So I asked this young woman what she was doing. Working on long sit she said.

OMGOSH this is a young puppy class. This person asked “I am using a hand signal, what hand signal do you use for sit”. I DON”T. I say sit. I don’t know if corgis are visual learners but Bella is not. Bella is not focused enough to look for a hand signal. Bella is not a lab.

Bella learns with her ears, and has very selective hearing as do all young puppies. If you hold out a hand to Bella she expects a treat, or you can expect to get mouthed or bitten. Because Bella didn’t get a treat, and the hand was withdrawn, she jumped up on the trainees leg to try and score the treat.

Not only did the trainee teach her to jump on her, the trainee said no when she did. I don’t use the no command. . I am going to have to tell the trainer that these trainees can no longer interact with my pup. I leave out the part that they are idiots.

 

[MickaC]

@Aneeda72 I wish we were close, i would love to come over and spend time with you and Bella.......maybe bring Micki.
OOPS......sorry, think that's called inviting myself.
i'm glad Bella's ear stood up, she's cute as a button.
Corgis are visually trained.......
Sit.....hold a treat in your hand......move it over past her head, towards her bum.....when she sits.....click....treat.....good girl.
The classes Micki and i attended......were visually.....started with a voice, then remove voice and motion command.....don't jump back and fourth....confuses them.
Bella is very young.....she's doing great.....
In manners 1 and 2 classes were based on visual.......not sure, but in agility, some voice encouraging.....still mainly visual training.
Not very up on training with a trainer other than yourself.....
But....
I learned in class that both take part in class.....so they learn to take your command, not others.
Not saying your wrong......just what i learned.

 

[Aneeda72]

@Aneeda72 I wish we were close, i would love to come over and spend time with you and Bella.......maybe bring Micki.
OOPS......sorry, think that's called inviting myself.
i'm glad Bella's ear stood up, she's cute as a button.
Corgis are visually trained.......
Sit.....hold a treat in your hand......move it over past her head, towards her bum.....when she sits.....click....treat.....good girl.
The classes Micki and i attended......were visually.....started with a voice, then remove voice and motion command.....don't jump back and fourth....confuses them.
Bella is very young.....she's doing great.....
In manners 1 and 2 classes were based on visual.......not sure, but in agility, some voice encouraging.....still mainly visual training.
Not very up on training with a trainer other than yourself.....
But....
I learned in class that both take part in class.....so they learn to take your command, not others.
Not saying your wrong......just what i learned.

I agree, I always trained dogs with both, but visual training requires focus and Bella does not focus much yet. She is now three months old. Sign training can be added at any time since it’s easy to learn. For now, I am just going with verbal commands and might just stick with them. But board a d train will teach signs to her.

The arthritis in my hands is not good and eventually I will end up with “claws” as the deformities continue.

I would love for you to come over as well and bring your dogs. Maybe they could teach Bella what a bite feels like . There is no hurry in her training. Basic commands are worked on for the first 18 months to two years. Then actually service dog training starts.

The labs, goldens, other bigs dogs, that help pull chairs, balance people, etc. must have their bone plates closed before they start the heavy work. I don’t know when the bone plates close on a corgi, but a 20 pound dog will not be pulling a wheel chair for me. But she can pick up my keys when I drop them.

It takes so long to train a service dog, and so much money to purchase them; yet, for an active person, a dog is only good for 7-8 years before they need to be retired. Sometimes those retired dogs can be purchased, at a lesser price, for someone like me who leads a less active life.

But I have hauled a service dog around, a golden retriever, with a child in a wheelchair and a child with Down’s syndrome. I can tell you that while the dog was useful, he did not make my life easier, but he kept my son safe. He was a very old retired dog, found at golden retriever rescues.

We had him about three years, and when he decided he was “done”, he went back to this private rescue to lay and sleep out his years in comfort, as per our agreement with the rescue. His only job was to watch our son and keep him safe.

When we went out, the dogs leash was attached to our young son who would run off and hide. The dog dutiful went along with him, trailing behind. And while it’s hard to spot a short little kid hiding in a batch of clothes or under a table at the mall, it’s easy to stop a big red balding old golden retriever .

And when the small child runs off when called, the golden came when called, dragging our son behind him. The dog would also stand in front of a staircase or an escalator and block access. He was a great dog, but there came a time when a young boy was too much for him. My son still remembers him although we had him over 25 years ago.

 

[Aneeda72]

Came in the house with Bella and forgot my socks were on the floor. Bella grabs a sock and runs off, lays down, and starts to chew.. Hmm. I do not play chase the puppy. Oh, I know sit down, get a treat, Bella fetch, and here she comes at a dead run sock in her mouth, drops it at my feet, and collects her threat. . Good girl Bella.