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Do you support Obama's immigration reform?
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Davey Jones
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Did ya all know that Obama's dog can actually talk.
(just trying to change this useless topic.)
(just trying to change this useless topic.)
Why? Some folks think Obama can ignore the Congress and do everything by himself. Others would like to see Obama get the Congress off their grudge fight and back to work as they are supposed to do. The President should be trying to get the Congress to debate certain items and then make laws appropriate or dump the idea. What we have had for too long is a President that does not want to wait for Congress to debate and take action so he just keeps on doing what he wants to do. The Republican House has passed many ideas, over 300, and the Democrat Senate won't even open and debate those ideas, so the Congress ends up being broken rather than joined.
One big problem with our government is the politics that have taken over on both sides. We should not have these political groups driving everything. We do not need these two political parties driving everything their way only. We don't need the left and far left holding the Democrat party to their rules nor the conservative and even more conservative holding the Republican party to their rules. Look into the records of the two parties and we have about 1/3 of the Congress for each political party and the remainder independents. Within each political party there are those that do not blindly follow the party leadership. In other words, some conservative Democrats and some liberal Republicans. And that is the way their votes should show too.
Our government has turned into nothing good lately and neither party is helping to keep our government open and free for the people to say what they want to do. Maybe that is why more and more are not running with either party and just run independent. We need to get back to being a Republic with the peoples votes being the strongest way and neither political party have so much power. The main power should be back into the hands of the people as the Republic says it should be.
One big problem with our government is the politics that have taken over on both sides. We should not have these political groups driving everything. We do not need these two political parties driving everything their way only. We don't need the left and far left holding the Democrat party to their rules nor the conservative and even more conservative holding the Republican party to their rules. Look into the records of the two parties and we have about 1/3 of the Congress for each political party and the remainder independents. Within each political party there are those that do not blindly follow the party leadership. In other words, some conservative Democrats and some liberal Republicans. And that is the way their votes should show too.
Our government has turned into nothing good lately and neither party is helping to keep our government open and free for the people to say what they want to do. Maybe that is why more and more are not running with either party and just run independent. We need to get back to being a Republic with the peoples votes being the strongest way and neither political party have so much power. The main power should be back into the hands of the people as the Republic says it should be.
Partially correct but not sure about the GOP being boxed into anything at all. Wait till January and see how they respond to their new jobs. They may just ignore this action of Obama and move on to doing things for the country. Like passing bills the Senate under Reid just did not want to do. Maybe we will see our government come back to life after a 6 year slumber. If the US acts as a Republic should, there will be no problems and no reason to attack Obama, just keep him busy doing things the way he should and not as a loner emperor.
Denise1952
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Why post that on a US forum. It does not tell any truth about the US at all.
Why do homeless go without eating. Places where I have lived have places to feed the homeless folks. Just walk through the door and get fed.
Elderly go with out medicine. Why? Between insurances and government support medicines are available for old folks.
Mentally ill go without treatment. Not true in the US where I have lived. Mentally ill get taken care of.
Troops go without proper equipment. Why? The troops of the US always get best possible equipment. In Korean days we had plenty, but not as nice as what my son and daughter both got in recent years. Yugoslavia and later in Iraq for my son. Iraq for over a year, then back again later for only a short term of 3 months or so for my daughter. The US tries to give them the best we can get at the time.
Veterans go without promised benefits. News for me as I hear of no refusals of benefits to our veterans today. After I got out of service benefits were added to the package and I got letters telling me of them and how to apply.
Yet we donate billions to other countries. Yes we do and for good reasons. Every country we help is likely to help us if we ask.
Excessive immigration. Yes for sure. But until our government agrees to help the states shut down the borders this will continue. Immigration should be OK for the future but it should come from controlled numbers and not from the sneaking mobs that come over and then get taken care of at our expense.
No reason to re-post as much of this is not about the US. If it fits some other countries ways then add that countries name before re-posting these lies about the US.
Why do homeless go without eating. Places where I have lived have places to feed the homeless folks. Just walk through the door and get fed.
Elderly go with out medicine. Why? Between insurances and government support medicines are available for old folks.
Mentally ill go without treatment. Not true in the US where I have lived. Mentally ill get taken care of.
Troops go without proper equipment. Why? The troops of the US always get best possible equipment. In Korean days we had plenty, but not as nice as what my son and daughter both got in recent years. Yugoslavia and later in Iraq for my son. Iraq for over a year, then back again later for only a short term of 3 months or so for my daughter. The US tries to give them the best we can get at the time.
Veterans go without promised benefits. News for me as I hear of no refusals of benefits to our veterans today. After I got out of service benefits were added to the package and I got letters telling me of them and how to apply.
Yet we donate billions to other countries. Yes we do and for good reasons. Every country we help is likely to help us if we ask.
Excessive immigration. Yes for sure. But until our government agrees to help the states shut down the borders this will continue. Immigration should be OK for the future but it should come from controlled numbers and not from the sneaking mobs that come over and then get taken care of at our expense.
No reason to re-post as much of this is not about the US. If it fits some other countries ways then add that countries name before re-posting these lies about the US.
Denise1952
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You said it Bob, you haven't seen it "where you live", I have. I'm going to tell you where I stand and then that's it. The United States needs to take care of it's "own" issues first, period.
From my point of view, that is exactly what the US is trying to do. We do take care of our own and all the immigrants too. We also try to go around the world after disasters and take care of them too. For far too many years the US has been the major supporter of the UN and the UN's missions in addition to the mission we have had on our own. How much longer can the US carry such loads with out failures? That is a constant threat to the US and our current debt which has risen from 7 trillion to 17 trillion in the 8 years so far where the budgets were under the Democrat control in the US Congress and under our current President. That needs to be looked into and somehow reduced to a lower level and heading down again.
And I have live in most areas of the US. Great lakes area where I grew up. Mississippi, poor area but even there folks got taken care of. California, Florida, Virginia, Kentucky, Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, and other areas where I was there for short stays. I was born into the Great Depression and remember the harder days. But even then there were ways for hungry to get fed.
And I have live in most areas of the US. Great lakes area where I grew up. Mississippi, poor area but even there folks got taken care of. California, Florida, Virginia, Kentucky, Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, and other areas where I was there for short stays. I was born into the Great Depression and remember the harder days. But even then there were ways for hungry to get fed.
Denise1952
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Exactly!! How much more can we take on, what do you think I'm talking about! Get our own business straightened out. Now the government has said it's ok to have "how many" immigrants COME ON INTO THE LAND OF PLENTY! When my 70 some year old neighbor can't get her meds because they are 300 dollars something is wrong with the picture. When there are tons of homeless people (and don't tell me it's because they're all on drugs, and lazy because MANY are just out of luck finding jobs) so we are going to do what with the poor flocking across our borders?
Where is this money the US keeps loaning, are they making it at the mint? What the hell??
Where is this money the US keeps loaning, are they making it at the mint? What the hell??
Denise1952
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Another thing Bob, I wanted to mention about the folks that need food. Many here in the US do get foodstamps, but some don't get enough to feed say a family of 5. But, there are the foodbanks. I would be ashamed to be a caretaker for a foodbank that is full of nothing but junk, canned foods, pastries, bread, bread, and more bread. That is what a lot of people donate (or when they think of it, they purchase cans of this or that, or Mac and cheese). Now true, no one is going to starve, but where the nutrition, meats, vegetables and fruit (at least cans of fruit).
The point again, is that our own citizens aren't being taken care of efficiently, so how can we be taking care of others, share? Yes, we can share. But "who" is really doing the sharing? Is it everyone, or a few folks that truly care about others. Isn't there something we could provide for those leaving Mexico for example? Look at the knowledge we possess, can't we help them develop their own resources? If everyone comes here from Mexico (it could happen) then what happens to Mexico? Is there no resource in Mexico that could be cultivated? I'd love to spend my retirement years going down there and helping to get something going on.
I just don't understand why we can't figure a better way, that would benefit the immigrants, as well as help America. Does anyone want to help America? Seems most countries would just rather see her sink. Well, stay tuned.
The point again, is that our own citizens aren't being taken care of efficiently, so how can we be taking care of others, share? Yes, we can share. But "who" is really doing the sharing? Is it everyone, or a few folks that truly care about others. Isn't there something we could provide for those leaving Mexico for example? Look at the knowledge we possess, can't we help them develop their own resources? If everyone comes here from Mexico (it could happen) then what happens to Mexico? Is there no resource in Mexico that could be cultivated? I'd love to spend my retirement years going down there and helping to get something going on.
I just don't understand why we can't figure a better way, that would benefit the immigrants, as well as help America. Does anyone want to help America? Seems most countries would just rather see her sink. Well, stay tuned.
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Absolutely we should take care of our own.. Stop taking care of the illegals. They're taking all the food out of our own citizen's mouths... oh... wait..
But we DO take really GOOD care of SOME of our citizens
But we DO take really GOOD care of SOME of our citizens
Yep i have said this for YEARS...why doesn't our government, yep the good ol' USA, take care of IT'S OWN FIRST!!! That's all...
A better way for whom? These self invited immigrants that bring nothing with them at all. They are lucky the US does not do as some countries seem to do. Nor should any person get free range of restaurants to choose from in any country where they invite themselves into.
Your constant raging about the US and how we treat people makes no sense at all. Why does you friend not get her medicine that is so expensive. What med program is she on if the meds are too expensive and no support? Seems that even though the US has had a great system for caring for its well to do and the poor, you just don't seem to have any understanding of comparing the US with other countries. We have done well over many years and compared to other countries with great sharing with the lower income folks.
Did you know that immigrants over the years have recognized that getting free medical care involves with going into the hospital emergency room and asking for help. Just a anybody can do. Go in, wait your turn, get examined and help is given. Free to all that have no money or insurance. This then becomes the hospitals favor to the poor or illegal immigrants. Not sure it that system still exists since Obama care became the way we are supposed to run our health.
I personally have used the emergency room for me or my wife's problems. Get sick on the weekend and nothing else is open to use.
Your posts show up as narrow minded and irrational, to say the least. As I showed in my last post, I have lived in many parts of this country and not seen these tragedies that you claim to exist. Your world seems to be very small and not operating like other parts of the country do. We have had some very good results for very sick people that I know of, like heart transplant for one who had no money at the time of need. That happens to many each year. That money came from other sources and not from the governments at all. Best to keep our system open to all that want to be part of it and not limit it to what some major government agency decides is best for someone.
I hope you do have a good day and no more from me on your put downs and inconsistent posts. Your post do not justify others feelings or responses. I will make comment on departing about your and your posts. You seem to be on some sort of self interested rampage about something. Maybe just loving to have an argument with others about the ways they feel. Non constructive comments are meaningless so I will leave now. Ramble on if you must.
Your constant raging about the US and how we treat people makes no sense at all. Why does you friend not get her medicine that is so expensive. What med program is she on if the meds are too expensive and no support? Seems that even though the US has had a great system for caring for its well to do and the poor, you just don't seem to have any understanding of comparing the US with other countries. We have done well over many years and compared to other countries with great sharing with the lower income folks.
Did you know that immigrants over the years have recognized that getting free medical care involves with going into the hospital emergency room and asking for help. Just a anybody can do. Go in, wait your turn, get examined and help is given. Free to all that have no money or insurance. This then becomes the hospitals favor to the poor or illegal immigrants. Not sure it that system still exists since Obama care became the way we are supposed to run our health.
I personally have used the emergency room for me or my wife's problems. Get sick on the weekend and nothing else is open to use.
Your posts show up as narrow minded and irrational, to say the least. As I showed in my last post, I have lived in many parts of this country and not seen these tragedies that you claim to exist. Your world seems to be very small and not operating like other parts of the country do. We have had some very good results for very sick people that I know of, like heart transplant for one who had no money at the time of need. That happens to many each year. That money came from other sources and not from the governments at all. Best to keep our system open to all that want to be part of it and not limit it to what some major government agency decides is best for someone.
I hope you do have a good day and no more from me on your put downs and inconsistent posts. Your post do not justify others feelings or responses. I will make comment on departing about your and your posts. You seem to be on some sort of self interested rampage about something. Maybe just loving to have an argument with others about the ways they feel. Non constructive comments are meaningless so I will leave now. Ramble on if you must.
QuickSilver
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But we DO... THe top 1%.. Big Agriculture corporations, Big Oil Companies.. Corporate subsidies.. Tax incentives..... lol!!
GeorgiaXplant
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The last five Republican presidents issued executive orders granting amnesty. Why is it that it's big news that Latinos who aren't citizens have NOT been granted amnesty, merely three-year green cards?
And there is no stopping the poor in the US from finding shelter and food for themselves and their families. Non what ever that I know of. Appropriate help means what? Much of it is from the heart of many folks in shelters and food places they help exist. We do have government run shelters and food also. The problem seems to be the better it is run and the freer the help, the more will just step in and accept and the crowds get bigger all the time. Sitting on their butts and complaining about how difficult it is to get better foods or accommodations.s The intent should be to help anyone from starving or having no place to sleep. Not to make life so good they are not energized to go out and find a job.
Now for you lefties and Democrats, that keep posting how evil the Republicans are, you need to check one of your own. Remember Bill Clinton when he was President. One of his best programs was for getting the low income and poor out of the shadows and into the working place. He put helps for those to move into productive lives and had put some limits on how long the government moneys would last and for how much. During the times of Clinton's ways with the unemployed, the numbers went down a lot. I doubt if Obama has continued with Clintons ways of encouraging the unemployed to find jobs and earn their own way. During Clinton's time they found up to three generations of unemployed still sitting on their butts and demanding better care. Clinton reduce those numbers considerably with his plan of take care of yourself and not depend on government handouts program.
Now we have a very far left person that see great power for the government to control all our lives and how we live. Sad to see such a selfish plan to replace the self inspired and hard working ways prior to the big government idea being pushed on the US.
Now for you lefties and Democrats, that keep posting how evil the Republicans are, you need to check one of your own. Remember Bill Clinton when he was President. One of his best programs was for getting the low income and poor out of the shadows and into the working place. He put helps for those to move into productive lives and had put some limits on how long the government moneys would last and for how much. During the times of Clinton's ways with the unemployed, the numbers went down a lot. I doubt if Obama has continued with Clintons ways of encouraging the unemployed to find jobs and earn their own way. During Clinton's time they found up to three generations of unemployed still sitting on their butts and demanding better care. Clinton reduce those numbers considerably with his plan of take care of yourself and not depend on government handouts program.
Now we have a very far left person that see great power for the government to control all our lives and how we live. Sad to see such a selfish plan to replace the self inspired and hard working ways prior to the big government idea being pushed on the US.
Well, I can see from the posts lately that most are non thinking, big government thinking, big government handouts to all thinking, so no sense in trying to show that the country is doing well but can not afford to keep on giving so much away. We really need to cut back on the giveaways and start reducing our 17 trillion debt to where our budgets can handle them without constantly increasing our debts. Our government give far too much to far too many folks, vote buying tactics I think, and that will eventually bring the US to a big shut down of many things, like it or not.
Why we have folks that can not work with the current, or past, medical systems and get their medicines and doctor visits OK is beyond my ways of thinking. There are ways to get what is needed without all these political rants that say nothing at all. Those photo images can likely be found about the Democrats as well. If you folks have any real information about the government it should be posted equally to both sides. This one sided stuff is mostly just nonsense and nothing but.
Why can't the person with high cost medicines being taken care of? No specifics given. Was it Medicare? Was it Medicade? Was it state aid? Was it private insurance? Was it something else or none of the above? Claims and accusations with no justifications means nothing at all.
If you are really reading my posts you can see that I post in a non political way and reward or challenge folks of any political party.
Why we have folks that can not work with the current, or past, medical systems and get their medicines and doctor visits OK is beyond my ways of thinking. There are ways to get what is needed without all these political rants that say nothing at all. Those photo images can likely be found about the Democrats as well. If you folks have any real information about the government it should be posted equally to both sides. This one sided stuff is mostly just nonsense and nothing but.
Why can't the person with high cost medicines being taken care of? No specifics given. Was it Medicare? Was it Medicade? Was it state aid? Was it private insurance? Was it something else or none of the above? Claims and accusations with no justifications means nothing at all.
If you are really reading my posts you can see that I post in a non political way and reward or challenge folks of any political party.
QuickSilver
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http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/high-school/top-10-myths-about-immigration
Immigrants don't pay taxes.
Immigrants pay taxes, in the form of income, property, sales, and taxes at the federal and state level. As far as income tax payments go, sources vary in their accounts, but a range of studies find that immigrants pay between $90 and $140 billion a year in federal, state, and local taxes. Undocumented immigrants pay income taxes as well, as evidenced by the Social Security Administration's "suspense file" (taxes that cannot be matched to workers' names and social security numbers), which grew by $20 billion between 1990 and 1998
Immigrants come here to take welfare.
Moreover, the ratio between immigrant use of public benefits and the amount of taxes they pay is consistently favorable to the U.S. In one estimate, immigrants earn about $240 billion a year, pay about $90 billion a year in taxes, and use about $5 billion in public benefits.
Immigrants send all their money back to their home countries.
In addition to the consumer spending of immigrant households, immigrants and their businesses contribute $162 billion in tax revenue to U.S. federal, state, and local governments. While it is true that immigrants remit billions of dollars a year to their home countries, this is one of the most targeted and effective forms of direct foreign investment.
Immigrants take jobs and opportunity away from Americans.
The largest wave of immigration to the U.S. since the early 1900s coincided with our lowest national unemployment rate and fastest economic growth. Immigrant entrepreneurs create jobs for U.S. and foreign workers, and foreign-born students allow many U.S. graduate programs to keep their doors open. While there has been no comprehensive study done of immigrant-owned businesses,
Immigrants are a drain on the U.S. economy.
During the 1990s, half of all new workers were foreign-born, filling gaps left by native-born workers in both the high- and low-skill ends of the spectrum. Immigrants fill jobs in key sectors, start their own businesses, and contribute to a thriving economy. The net benefit of immigration to the U.S. is nearly $10 billion annually. As Alan Greenspan points out, 70% of immigrants arrive in prime working age. That means we haven't spent a penny on their education, yet they are transplanted into our workforce and will contribute $500 billion toward our social security system over the next 20 years.
Immigrants don't want to learn English or become Americans.
Within ten years of arrival, more than 75% of immigrants speak English well; moreover, demand for English classes at the adult level far exceeds supply.
Today's immigrants are different than those of 100 years ago.
The percentage of the U.S. population that is foreign-born now stands at 11.5%; in the early 20th century it was approximately 15%. Similar to accusations about today's immigrants, those of 100 years ago initially often settled in mono-ethnic neighborhoods, spoke their native languages, and built up newspapers and businesses that catered to their fellow émigrés. They also experienced the same types of discrimination that today's immigrants face, and integrated within American culture at a similar rate. If we view history objectively, we remember that every new wave of immigrants has been met with suspicion and doubt and yet, ultimately, every past wave of immigrants has been vindicated and saluted.
Most immigrants cross the border illegally.
Around 75% of today's immigrants have legal permanent (immigrant) visas; of the 25% that are undocumented, 40% overstayed temporary (non-immigrant) visas.
Weak U.S. border enforcement has led to high undocumented immigration.
From 1986 to 1998, the Border Patrol's budget increased six-fold and the number of agents stationed on our southwest border doubled to 8,500. The Border Patrol also toughened its enforcement strategy, heavily fortifying typical urban entry points and pushing migrants into dangerous desert areas, in hopes of deterring crossings. Instead, the undocumented immigrant population doubled in that timeframe, to 8 million-despite the legalization of nearly 3 million immigrants after the enactment of the Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986. Insufficient legal avenues for immigrants to enter the U.S., compared with the number of jobs in need of workers, has significantly contributed to this current conundrum.
The war on terrorism can be won through immigration restrictions.
No security expert since September 11th, 2001 has said that restrictive immigration measures would have prevented the terrorist attacks-instead, the key is effective use of good intelligence. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were here on legal visas. Since 9/11, the myriad of measures targeting immigrants in the name of national security have netted no terrorism prosecutions. In fact, several of these measures could have the opposite effect and actually make us less safe, as targeted communities of immigrants are afraid to come forward with information.
Immigrants don't pay taxes.
Immigrants pay taxes, in the form of income, property, sales, and taxes at the federal and state level. As far as income tax payments go, sources vary in their accounts, but a range of studies find that immigrants pay between $90 and $140 billion a year in federal, state, and local taxes. Undocumented immigrants pay income taxes as well, as evidenced by the Social Security Administration's "suspense file" (taxes that cannot be matched to workers' names and social security numbers), which grew by $20 billion between 1990 and 1998
Immigrants come here to take welfare.
Moreover, the ratio between immigrant use of public benefits and the amount of taxes they pay is consistently favorable to the U.S. In one estimate, immigrants earn about $240 billion a year, pay about $90 billion a year in taxes, and use about $5 billion in public benefits.
Immigrants send all their money back to their home countries.
In addition to the consumer spending of immigrant households, immigrants and their businesses contribute $162 billion in tax revenue to U.S. federal, state, and local governments. While it is true that immigrants remit billions of dollars a year to their home countries, this is one of the most targeted and effective forms of direct foreign investment.
Immigrants take jobs and opportunity away from Americans.
The largest wave of immigration to the U.S. since the early 1900s coincided with our lowest national unemployment rate and fastest economic growth. Immigrant entrepreneurs create jobs for U.S. and foreign workers, and foreign-born students allow many U.S. graduate programs to keep their doors open. While there has been no comprehensive study done of immigrant-owned businesses,
Immigrants are a drain on the U.S. economy.
During the 1990s, half of all new workers were foreign-born, filling gaps left by native-born workers in both the high- and low-skill ends of the spectrum. Immigrants fill jobs in key sectors, start their own businesses, and contribute to a thriving economy. The net benefit of immigration to the U.S. is nearly $10 billion annually. As Alan Greenspan points out, 70% of immigrants arrive in prime working age. That means we haven't spent a penny on their education, yet they are transplanted into our workforce and will contribute $500 billion toward our social security system over the next 20 years.
Immigrants don't want to learn English or become Americans.
Within ten years of arrival, more than 75% of immigrants speak English well; moreover, demand for English classes at the adult level far exceeds supply.
Today's immigrants are different than those of 100 years ago.
The percentage of the U.S. population that is foreign-born now stands at 11.5%; in the early 20th century it was approximately 15%. Similar to accusations about today's immigrants, those of 100 years ago initially often settled in mono-ethnic neighborhoods, spoke their native languages, and built up newspapers and businesses that catered to their fellow émigrés. They also experienced the same types of discrimination that today's immigrants face, and integrated within American culture at a similar rate. If we view history objectively, we remember that every new wave of immigrants has been met with suspicion and doubt and yet, ultimately, every past wave of immigrants has been vindicated and saluted.
Most immigrants cross the border illegally.
Around 75% of today's immigrants have legal permanent (immigrant) visas; of the 25% that are undocumented, 40% overstayed temporary (non-immigrant) visas.
Weak U.S. border enforcement has led to high undocumented immigration.
From 1986 to 1998, the Border Patrol's budget increased six-fold and the number of agents stationed on our southwest border doubled to 8,500. The Border Patrol also toughened its enforcement strategy, heavily fortifying typical urban entry points and pushing migrants into dangerous desert areas, in hopes of deterring crossings. Instead, the undocumented immigrant population doubled in that timeframe, to 8 million-despite the legalization of nearly 3 million immigrants after the enactment of the Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986. Insufficient legal avenues for immigrants to enter the U.S., compared with the number of jobs in need of workers, has significantly contributed to this current conundrum.
The war on terrorism can be won through immigration restrictions.
No security expert since September 11th, 2001 has said that restrictive immigration measures would have prevented the terrorist attacks-instead, the key is effective use of good intelligence. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were here on legal visas. Since 9/11, the myriad of measures targeting immigrants in the name of national security have netted no terrorism prosecutions. In fact, several of these measures could have the opposite effect and actually make us less safe, as targeted communities of immigrants are afraid to come forward with information.
Weak U.S. border enforcement has led to high undocumented immigration.
From 1986 to 1998, the Border Patrol's budget increased six-fold and the number of agents stationed on our southwest border doubled to 8,500. The Border Patrol also toughened its enforcement strategy, heavily fortifying typical urban entry points and pushing migrants into dangerous desert areas, in hopes of deterring crossings. Instead, the undocumented immigrant population doubled in that timeframe, to 8 million-despite the legalization of nearly 3 million immigrants after the enactment of the Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986. Insufficient legal avenues for immigrants to enter the U.S., compared with the number of jobs in need of workers, has significantly contributed to this current conundrum.
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Most of the post above has nothing to do with this thread at all. Only this one item is relevant. No one I hear is against the legal immigrant system at all. What is the concern for most is the illegal immigrants that come here to raise their families, work off record jobs for the wages they can get. Put in false tax records and claim many children to end any tax withholding. Plenty of scamming going on with the illegal immigrants. These are the constant things going on that needs to be stopped. While cheating the governments these folks also use the medical system by going into hospital emergency rooms, going to schools, driving on our roads, and never paying any taxes.
They are here and we are not going to send them back. But to stop more millions from coming over we need to really shut down our border across the continent. Not just is some places like southern California, or places in Texas and Arizona. We need to shut all access off to be fair to the legal and taxpaying citizens that come from many, if not all, the nations around this world. Fairness to all is the number one goal of controlling our borders.
From 1986 to 1998, the Border Patrol's budget increased six-fold and the number of agents stationed on our southwest border doubled to 8,500. The Border Patrol also toughened its enforcement strategy, heavily fortifying typical urban entry points and pushing migrants into dangerous desert areas, in hopes of deterring crossings. Instead, the undocumented immigrant population doubled in that timeframe, to 8 million-despite the legalization of nearly 3 million immigrants after the enactment of the Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986. Insufficient legal avenues for immigrants to enter the U.S., compared with the number of jobs in need of workers, has significantly contributed to this current conundrum.
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Most of the post above has nothing to do with this thread at all. Only this one item is relevant. No one I hear is against the legal immigrant system at all. What is the concern for most is the illegal immigrants that come here to raise their families, work off record jobs for the wages they can get. Put in false tax records and claim many children to end any tax withholding. Plenty of scamming going on with the illegal immigrants. These are the constant things going on that needs to be stopped. While cheating the governments these folks also use the medical system by going into hospital emergency rooms, going to schools, driving on our roads, and never paying any taxes.
They are here and we are not going to send them back. But to stop more millions from coming over we need to really shut down our border across the continent. Not just is some places like southern California, or places in Texas and Arizona. We need to shut all access off to be fair to the legal and taxpaying citizens that come from many, if not all, the nations around this world. Fairness to all is the number one goal of controlling our borders.
Border fence...http://theweek.com/article/index/241400/what-would-it-take-to-secure-the-us-mexico-border
"The cost and logistical challenges would be immense. Estimates from Customs and Border Protection suggest a cost of more than $22.4 billion to build a fence along the entire southwestern border, which runs along riverbanks and through remote deserts, marshlands, and hill country.
On top of that would come ongoing maintenance costs: In 2010 alone, the agency repaired 4,037 breaches in the existing fences. The government would also need to expropriate private land, which would be both expensive and unpopular.
And the border would still need policing, as illegal immigrants will try to breach, tunnel under, or climb over any fence. It's also possible, some immigration experts say, that ramping up border security could have unintended consequences.
Many illegal immigrants currently cross the border for seasonal work, then go back over to their families in Mexico. Additional border security could halt that ebb and flow, causing many illegal immigrants to choose to stay in the U.S. in perpetuity.
Advocates of immigration reform argue that since our economy creates a big demand for the low-wage agricultural, factory, restaurant, and service labor that Mexicans provide, the best way to prevent illegal entrants is to create a realistic system that allows people to come and go on temporary work visas.
"It isn't possible to enforce our way out of our immigration problems," said Benjamin Johnson, executive director of the American Immigration Council."
Some information I was reading about the historical reasons behind all this illegal immigration of refugees fleeing their countries to the US (and other countries), so perhaps we are partly responsible for creating this problem to begin with?...http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5596125.html
"The 57,000 children from Central America who have streamed across the U.S.-Mexico border this year were driven in large part by the United States itself.
While Democrats and Republicans have been pointing fingers at each other, in reality the current wave of migration from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras has its roots in six decades of U.S. policies carried out by members of both parties.
Since the 1950s, the U.S. has sown violence and instability in Central America. Decades of Cold War gamesmanship, together with the relentless global war on drugs, have left a legacy of chaos and brutality in these countries.
In many parts of the region, civil society has given way to lawlessness. It's these conditions the children are escaping."
"The cost and logistical challenges would be immense. Estimates from Customs and Border Protection suggest a cost of more than $22.4 billion to build a fence along the entire southwestern border, which runs along riverbanks and through remote deserts, marshlands, and hill country.
On top of that would come ongoing maintenance costs: In 2010 alone, the agency repaired 4,037 breaches in the existing fences. The government would also need to expropriate private land, which would be both expensive and unpopular.
And the border would still need policing, as illegal immigrants will try to breach, tunnel under, or climb over any fence. It's also possible, some immigration experts say, that ramping up border security could have unintended consequences.
Many illegal immigrants currently cross the border for seasonal work, then go back over to their families in Mexico. Additional border security could halt that ebb and flow, causing many illegal immigrants to choose to stay in the U.S. in perpetuity.
Advocates of immigration reform argue that since our economy creates a big demand for the low-wage agricultural, factory, restaurant, and service labor that Mexicans provide, the best way to prevent illegal entrants is to create a realistic system that allows people to come and go on temporary work visas.
"It isn't possible to enforce our way out of our immigration problems," said Benjamin Johnson, executive director of the American Immigration Council."
Some information I was reading about the historical reasons behind all this illegal immigration of refugees fleeing their countries to the US (and other countries), so perhaps we are partly responsible for creating this problem to begin with?...http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5596125.html
"The 57,000 children from Central America who have streamed across the U.S.-Mexico border this year were driven in large part by the United States itself.
While Democrats and Republicans have been pointing fingers at each other, in reality the current wave of migration from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras has its roots in six decades of U.S. policies carried out by members of both parties.
Since the 1950s, the U.S. has sown violence and instability in Central America. Decades of Cold War gamesmanship, together with the relentless global war on drugs, have left a legacy of chaos and brutality in these countries.
In many parts of the region, civil society has given way to lawlessness. It's these conditions the children are escaping."
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Many illegal immigrants currently cross the border for seasonal work, then go back over to their families in Mexico. Additional border security could halt that ebb and flow, causing many illegal immigrants to choose to stay in the U.S. in perpetuity.
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All of us should remember those days. Many crossed the border and followed crops around the US. Then they returned to their homes and waited for the next years harvest system. They were called Braceros. I remember them well and even dated one of the pretty girls that came along. Her name was Carmen. I believe it was due to some political pressure put on the government to end that practice for some reason. Pretty sad situation now since that Bracero idea was ended.
Why not bring it back so we would not have such a big problem with ILLEGAL immigrants.
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All of us should remember those days. Many crossed the border and followed crops around the US. Then they returned to their homes and waited for the next years harvest system. They were called Braceros. I remember them well and even dated one of the pretty girls that came along. Her name was Carmen. I believe it was due to some political pressure put on the government to end that practice for some reason. Pretty sad situation now since that Bracero idea was ended.
Why not bring it back so we would not have such a big problem with ILLEGAL immigrants.
