Qualified Immunity - Floyd Case Forcing a Closer Look at this Legal Doctrine

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First, I would like to encourage everyone to browse with the search term: qualified immunity. Change for the better may be on the way!

I apologize for not having the original link to this information. I saved it without noting it.

"On May 25, Minneapolis police killed George Floyd. While two officers pinned the handcuffed Floyd on a city street, another fended off would-be intervenors as a fourth knelt on Floyd’s neck until — and well after — he lost consciousness.

But when Floyd’s family goes to court to hold the officers liable for their actions, a judge in Minnesota may very well dismiss their claims. Not because the officers didn’t do anything wrong, but because there isn’t a case from the 8th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals or the Supreme Court specifically holding that it is unconstitutional for police to kneel on the neck of a handcuffed man for nearly nine minutes until he loses consciousness and then dies.

And such a specific case is what Floyd’s family must provide to overcome a legal doctrine called “qualified immunity” that shields police and all other government officials from accountability for their illegal and unconstitutional acts.

The Supreme Court created qualified immunity in 1982. With that novel invention, the court granted all government officials immunity for violating constitutional and civil rights unless the victims of those violations can show that the rights were “clearly established.”

A virtually unlimited protection: Although innocuous sounding, the clearly established test is a legal obstacle nearly impossible to overcome. It requires a victim to identify an earlier decision by the Supreme Court, or a federal appeals court in the same jurisdiction holding that precisely the same conduct under the same circumstances is illegal or unconstitutional. If none exists, the official is immune. Whether the official’s actions are unconstitutional, intentional or malicious is irrelevant to the test."
 

If that was the case, I don't understand why two of the officers involved in the Rodney King beating served 72 months in Federal prison.
 
I'm not skilled in legal things at all, but while the above may shield the officers from being sued by the Floyd family, it has no bearing on the the police being prosecuted for his death. And again, if they are convicted of killing him, won't the police be legally liable for his wrongful death- and the family can sue on those grounds?
 

If that was the case, I don't understand why two of the officers involved in the Rodney King beating served 72 months in Federal prison.
I believe the reason is in the jurisdiction. Same crime, different place, and precedent court rulings play a part. "because there isn’t a case from the 8th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals or the Supreme Court specifically holding that it is unconstitutional for police to kneel on the neck of a handcuffed man for nearly nine minutes until he loses consciousness and then dies. "
 
Police misconduct is covered as a civil rights violation, excessive force, sexual misconduct, theft, etc. The DOJ has to prove a pattern or practice of excessive force (unlawful conduct)

It's an injunctive relief, not a remedy for monetary damages. Don't conflate civil and criminal statutes. Until a statute is passed (and ultimately reviewed by the SCOTUS), that changes the blanket immunity I'd not hold my breath for successful civil litigation. That does not mean they won't be tried for civil rights violations.
 
In this particular case, an acquittal might shine a more intense light along with intense heat on the issue of equality and justice for Black people in America than a conviction would.

We need to let the existing process play out and see what happens before we begin to worry about what might happen.
 
In Mr. Floyd's case, he had a right NOT to be murdered over an allegedly fake $20 bill. Blanket immunity needs to be reevaluated NOW, to stop the free pass that is so often given and which breeds such resentment.
 
In this particular case, an acquittal might shine a more intense light along with intense heat on the issue of equality and justice for Black people in America than a conviction would.

We need to let the existing process play out and see what happens before we begin to worry about what might happen.

The district attorney was very cautious in charging each individual. He was well aware that overcharging might not result in a conviction. The determining factor will be proving intent, the complaint history of the defendant will be under microscopic scrutiny. This will probably be a long process. Each defendant may ask for a separate trial. In the end I do believe he will be convicted of both state and federal charges.
 
If that was the case, I don't understand why two of the officers involved in the Rodney King beating served 72 months in Federal prison.

The federal charges were under 18 USC 242 (title 18, criminal code), deprivation of rights under color of law, the criminal equivalent of the Civil Right Act of 1871, known more commonly as a 1983 action, codified at 42 USC 1983.

State and federal charges for the same offense, or similar elements, do not violate the Double Jeopardy provision of the 5th AM, as they are separate sovereigns.
 
Even if the case is dismissed, the incident has served its purpose, and highlighted a problem. Presumably there will now be stricter guidelines on how far police can go when restraining a suspect.
 
Even if the case is dismissed, the incident has served its purpose, and highlighted a problem. Presumably there will now be stricter guidelines on how far police can go when restraining a suspect.
i seriously doubt that the officers involved gave a rip about any guidelines. doubt they will in the future either. if they're hell bent on hurting someone...rules aren't gonna stop that.
 
especially when they feel it's part of their duty to rid the world of whatever they don't think should be in it.
 
especially when they feel it's part of their duty to rid the world of whatever they don't think should be in it.
Having seen the clip several times, it seems the officer concerned was full of anger and aggression, and looking for an outlet. If he hadn't killed this man, he would probably have gone home and beaten up his wife.
 
Authorities and Politicians have protected themselves for years with is doctrine. This is why they do what they do what they damn well please without fear of the citizens. Do you hear the people sing?
 
Having seen the clip several times, it seems the officer concerned was full of anger and aggression, and looking for an outlet. If he hadn't killed this man, he would probably have gone home and beaten up his wife.
I think it's a bit presumptuous to just decide with no evidence that the man would've gone home & beaten his wife. He may not even have a wife for starters. Some are divorced if they're that violent. Plus he may not aim that hatred at his wife given she's not the focus of his rage.
 
I have to admit, I never heard of "qualified immunity" before seeing this thread. There is some impetus to do something about it, but it will never garner the 60 votes needed to pass in the Senate.
House lawmakers on Wednesday passed the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act, a reform bill that would ban chokeholds and alter so-called qualified immunity for law enforcement, which would make it easier to pursue claims of police misconduct.
The wide-ranging legislation would also ban no-knock warrants in certain cases, mandate data collection on police encounters, prohibit racial and religious profiling and redirect funding to community-based policing programs.
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/03/9731...day passed,pursue claims of police misconduct.

"Qualified immunity" applies only to civil lawsuits -- not criminal ones, so it's not relevant to the ongoing Derek Chauvin murder trial.
 
QI is a Judicially created doctrine, Congress and the States can not abrogate it, just the SC. It can be modified, etc., but not totally done away with.
 
Even if the case is dismissed, the incident has served its purpose, and highlighted a problem. Presumably there will now be stricter guidelines on how far police can go when restraining a suspect.
You would hope so, but this also is not just the manslaughter or murder of one man, the actions of this /these officers.. caused the deaths and destruction of many... and I hope that is all taken into consideration in the trial..which I'm watching live on Court TV . It's a slow process tho' so far it's taken a week just to choose the jury
 
I think it's a bit presumptuous to just decide with no evidence that the man would've gone home & beaten his wife. He may not even have a wife for starters. Some are divorced if they're that violent. Plus he may not aim that hatred at his wife given she's not the focus of his rage.
Kellie Chauvin, 45, said she was divorcing her husband of ten years due to the 'irretrievable breakdown' of their relationship.

She also revealed the couple officially split on May 28 – three days after he's accused of killing George Floyd by kneeling on his neck during a brutal nine-minute arrest.
 
. It's a slow process tho' so far it's taken a week just to choose the jury

Don't know about England's system, but there are "challenges" permitted under the law by both sides to reject jurors. It also also unconstitutional to reject a juror because of race etc., known as a Batson challenge, so it is a time consuming procedure.
 
Don't know about England's system, but there are "challenges" permitted under the law by both sides to reject jurors. It also also unconstitutional to reject a juror because of race etc., known as a Batson challenge, so it is a time consuming procedure.
yes , I've watched many American court trials, very different to the British Judicial system
 
Kellie Chauvin, 45, said she was divorcing her husband of ten years due to the 'irretrievable breakdown' of their relationship.

She also revealed the couple officially split on May 28 – three days after he's accused of killing George Floyd by kneeling on his neck during a brutal nine-minute arrest.
I know if it were me and my husband purposefully killed someone that I'd be wanting to get the hell outta there too. But did she say he was beating her?

Maybe that's part of why he did what he did. Not trying to justify it I'm just saying his mental state may have already been compromised when the act took place.
 


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