Are you listening to the news? Officer Wilson Not Indicted in Brown Shooting

Peaceful protest and demonstration is the Right of everyone in this nation....at least they didn't join the idiots who have been rioting, looting and burning. If they wish to demonstrate their obvious rejection of the Facts in this case, that is also their privilege. Maybe if they concentrated their thoughts and efforts on doing their overpaid jobs, St. Louis might not be ranked at the bottom of their division.
 

Maybe if more people understood the root of what the hands up meant, they wouldn't make outrageous comments, but, then if one hasn't experienced what most people of color have experience, it would be very difficult to relate. But why even try to understand, easier to disconnect since some have never lived it on a nearly daily basis at one time or another in life.

It's funny, I have had a couple of friends witness what happens up close and personal during a shopping excursion some years ago, it was mind blowing for them, they just didn't understand what was happening, I just grinned, wasn't much of a way to explain it other than to say, it's because you are with me. they'd never experienced that kind of harassment before. I don't get it often, just once and a while depending on where I've gone. Never held a grudge, but, the accumulation of experiences of the nature can where on the psyche after a while if it happens too often and depending on just how blatant it is. But why would others that this doesn't effect get it or care right. This support these athletes are displaying isn't about Brown, it's about an across the board system that is in play that many deal with daily in life.

How many of you have had a child come home from a playdate the child is in tears, unconsolable, you have to get the information out of your child and you find out the playmate's grandmother had sat your daughter and her playmate down and told them they can't be friends, they shouldn't be playing together, your daughter was beneath her friend so to speak and it just wasn't right. Like me, many of my daughters playmates were of various ethnic groups, mostly white, just happened by chance. I couldn't console my child, she'd never been spoken to like that about her skin color before this was back in '85 '86, my daughter was around 10 y/o, changed her in ways that I couldn't convince her to not hate that women and continue that friendship regardless of those words spoken to her. I've had similar things said in my youth, many of my closest friends were white and on one occasion in another situation, one of my best friend was bi-racial, but looked white, we were walking down a road and ran into a woman that knew her, the woman made a comment that she thought we shouldn't be together, this was late 60's. I'm not going to talk about all the instances since those days. I've always just brushed it all off as no big deal until more recently when too much stuff just keeps getting forced upon me and I can't any longer just ignore every little thing. As I've said it wears on you after a while. I haven't been called nig_er many times, but the one time that stood out in my mind was coming out of a club and some guys called it out to one of my friends and I as they drove by us, this was, in the mid '90s. In NJ, there were still the occasional cross burnings on a few lawns even then. Anyway back to those bad boys, we had the last laugh since the police pulled them over as they sped just outside of the stripe mall; we saw them getting a ticket. LOL.

I don't have anything against any people based on skin color, I just feel annoyed these days more often than not due to more and more instances of things being pushed in my face and on top of it people acting like everything is just hunky dory because it's not happening to them and they don't witness it up close and personal. I'm forever grateful for the folks that don't have blinders on. I know most minds won't be affected, touched, changed or even sympathetic, just had to get this off my chest. At times it's a pain the weighs heavily on the heart, just had to release.

Anyhoo, rant over.
 
If anyone thinks this is JUST about Michael Brown.. they are short sighted and sadly mistaken.. He may be the catalyst... BUT this protest is about years of inequality in our justice system. This is about the fact that we have TWO justices systems.. one for whites and another very different one for blacks. This is about White parents telling their children that if they are ever in trouble and need help... find a policeman.. AND Black parents telling their kids if they are ever in trouble and need help AVOID the police because it can get out of control very quickly. NO.. this is not about Michael Brown... it was just the last straw.

Also.. no one.. not even the majority of Blacks are condoning the looting and violence. These are the bad apples.. and the whole race shouldn't be blamed.. Just like the White college kids that get drunk and trash the town after a sporting event do not represent the whole white race.


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There is a time and place for everything. True, the government gives you free speech. Employers and customers do not have to. This is why most businesses want their employees behavior on field apolitical because it's the workplace with workplace rules which are designed with business in mind. The fans had a right to boo as well. Now you have counter free speech: this is where "a" protest/free speech can morph into something else in a crowded stadium at that. That being said yes it was much better than rioting, looting, vandalism or stalking customers at the local Target.
 
There is a time and place for everything. True, the government gives you free speech. Employers and customers do not have to. This is why most businesses want their employees behavior on field apolitical because it's the workplace with workplace rules which are designed with business in mind. The fans had a right to boo as well. Now you have counter free speech: this is where "a" protest/free speech can morph into something else in a crowded stadium at that. That being said yes it was much better than rioting, looting, vandalism or stalking customers at the local Target.

For the most part, I actually agree with you, I personally just took issue with a different comment that was made about the connection to the meaning of the show of solidarity.
 
I don't see a problem with it, it was a show of support for their community. I imagine the only ones who are blowing it out of proportion are the police and perhaps the Raider's fans and coaches. They were getting a message across about a problem that needs to be addressed in America, and they did it in a peaceful way, hopefully something positive will come out of it. This is from SBNation.

After the game, the players explained that their motivations were benevolent, meant as a sign of support for the larger community and the need for healing.
"We just understand that it's a big tragedy and we hope something positive comes out of it," Bailey said.

"We kind of came collectively together and decided we wanted to do something," Cook told Nick Wagoner of ESPN. "So we wanted to come out and show our respect to the protests and the people who have been doing a heck of a job around the world."

"We wanted to show that we are organized for a great cause and something positive comes out of it," Britt said to Wagoner after the game. "That's what we hope we can make happen. That's our community. We wanted to let the community know that we support the community."

Protesters massed outside the Dome on Sunday, but there were no reports of trouble with the crowds. Rams security and the local police were stationed in and around the building to prevent any serious disruption. The team thanked local police after the game.
 
If anyone thinks this is JUST about Michael Brown.. they are short sighted and sadly mistaken.. He may be the catalyst... BUT this protest is about years of inequality in our justice system. This is about the fact that we have TWO justices systems.. one for whites and another very different one for blacks. This is about White parents telling their children that if they are ever in trouble and need help... find a policeman.. AND Black parents telling their kids if they are ever in trouble and need help AVOID the police because it can get out of control very quickly. NO.. this is not about Michael Brown... it was just the last straw.

Also.. no one.. not even the majority of Blacks are condoning the looting and violence. These are the bad apples.. and the whole race shouldn't be blamed.. Just like the White college kids that get drunk and trash the town after a sporting event do not represent the whole white race.


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I see the years of frustration with many groups and individuals. But to hang your hat on someone like Michael Brown and try to myrtarize him like MLK takes away credence to many. Also if these same groups and individuals were paying to attention to the news they would've protested stop & frisk in NYC years ago. Or one of the NYC police shooting victims where several dozen rounds were shot into an individual. I also find it a contradiction if many other groups protest law enforcement/behavior they are considered anti government.

One of the issues that came out of the summer Ferguson riots were actually existing issues reported by some BEFORE this summer and that was the militarization of the police including weaponary, vehicles and tactics. I was infuriated when a Georgia police raid burned an infant with a no knock warrant/grenade-how many protests there. Ferguson brought out or confirmed a lot of issues with current law enforcement. But if you are going to protest or are sincere/serious change you can't cherry pick the issues.
 
If not Michael Brown.. then the next killing... or the next.. Eventually something was going to make the pot boil over.. Just like the Church bombings that brought on the Civil Rights movement, leading to change in voting and segregation. This police force of today is NOT the kindly cop of yesteryear. This is a scary bunch of kids all wanting to be Rambo. AND unfortunately, the Black Community has taken the brunt of their force. Maybe this too will bring about change to our justice system.
 
I see the years of frustration with many groups and individuals. But to hang your hat on someone like Michael Brown and try to myrtarize him like MLK takes away credence to many. Also if these same groups and individuals were paying to attention to the news they would've protested stop & frisk in NYC years ago. Or one of the NYC police shooting victims where several dozen rounds were shot into an individual. I also find it a contradiction if many other groups protest law enforcement/behavior they are considered anti government.



One of the issues that came out of the summer Ferguson riots were actually existing issues reported by some BEFORE this summer and that was the militarization of the police including weaponary, vehicles and tactics. I was infuriated when a Georgia police raid burned an infant with a no knock warrant/grenade-how many protests there. Ferguson brought out or confirmed a lot of issues with current law enforcement. But if you are going to protest or are sincere/serious change you can't cherry pick the issues.

How is showing support for the greater issue cherry picking when your emotions overflow and you stand up with others. I imagine sometimes people have a moment when they have had enough, who determines when that moment is and gets to label it cherry picking. One can say that it's cherry picking when someone only calls people out for only standing up for one issue or another. Does everyone have something to say when other issues come to the forefront that have nothing to do with people outside of their own ethnic groups behaving against their comfort level? I rarely see people posting about the non-minority protesters at college campus or after major games where all kinds of mayhem breaks out. Pot kettle comes to mind.
 
How long is this going to go on? Enough is enough ! Let's get on with something else.

There are much more serious things to worry about.

A few: terrorism, beheadings, worldwide starvation, global warming etc. just to name a few. IMO
 
How long is this going to go on? Enough is enough ! Let's get on with something else.

There are much more serious things to worry about.

A few: terrorism, beheadings, worldwide starvation, global warming etc. just to name a few. IMO

Of course, since one isn't affected in any way, lets all just forget about how it affects the rest of the people. These very I don't care attitudes are what has effects on the very thinking of the people who commit such heinous crimes as growing terrorist factions, beheadings and worldwide disdain and hate. and remember terrorist exist in all shapes sizes and colors. Ignore it till it becomes unignorable and people start making bigger, not necessarily justifiable actions, but attention getting actions to make it so people pay attention. Then the big guns get sent in, another band aide is placed and the soar pops up elsewhere. But ok, as we were.

I'd really like to let it go, but some people keep piling hits on till you just have to start screaming or at least a yelp. I myself never would have said a word of any of this if people on here didn't keep broaching the subject.
 
I think that people of all races are slowly waking up to the obvious inequalities.. The Civil Rights movement of the 60's was accomplished by a unrelenting PEACEFUL protest and a Congress willing to work with President Kennedy and then Johnson to pass legislation to effect change. What is so sad is that I really don't see that happening under a Republican Congress. They seriously couldn't care less about the people. They will only work for those stuffing millions into their campaign coffers or into PACs enabling them to be re-elected. The welfare they are concerned with is that of the rich.. NOT the poor or middle class. and certainly NOT for Blacks or Hispanics. I am afraid if they don't do something this is going to continue to fester and get only worse.

My personal hope is that this will inspire ALL Blacks and minorities to secure the proper IDs and register to vote.. and of course VOTE... no mater how long the lines are or no matter how many roadblocks are thrown at them. If all eligible minorities voted, there would be change for sure as those blocking it would be voted out of office.
 
That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

So you are not saying that there isn't an inequality problem.. you are saying that there are better ways to deal with it than rioting and looting. I fully agree.. There needs to be an immense mobilization of voter registration. The system needs to be changed for sure.
 
So you are not saying that there isn't an inequality problem.. you are saying that there are better ways to deal with it than rioting and looting. I fully agree.. There needs to be an immense mobilization of voter registration. The system needs to be changed for sure.

That I can fully agree with as well, but, as I saw it, the players featured in the thread weren't rioting nor looting, so I took it as lets get over talking about these issues related to the principles period, that is how it came across, I'm sure I am not alone in how I read that post. But then, it appears, I'm not one to be addressed, I'm just another angry minority. Though for most of my 56 years, I've not complained about much till I joined message boards where all I ever hear is people discussing or complaining about people that look like me day and night, night and day. I was at one point just going to go away, but, since there were a few decent folk that seemed to be open to various opinions, I'm still here, but it ain't easy, knowing what I now know about some others feelings that have kept quiet in more ways than one.
 
That I can fully agree with as well, but, as I saw it, the players featured in the thread weren't rioting nor looting, so I took it as lets get over talking about these issues related to the principles period, that is how it came across, I'm sure I am not alone in how I read that post. But then, it appears, I'm not one to be addressed, I'm just another angry minority. Though for most of my 56 years, I've not complained about much till I joined message boards where all I ever hear is people discussing or complaining about people that look like me day and night, night and day. I was at one point just going to go away, but, since there were a few decent folk that seemed to be open to various opinions, I'm still here, but it ain't easy, knowing what I now know about some others feelings that have kept quiet in more ways than one.

I agree April. The players were showing support, and it was a form of peaceful protest. Let's hope it continues.. and people understand the need to make change peacefully through the ballot box. I'm so sorry you have been subjected to the less than "Christain" remarks coming from some. It's a lot easier for them with the anonymity of a message forum. Like has been said.. there are folks of all races participating here.. and some should understand how hurtful their words are. But sadly. I suspect they just don't care.
 
The players were showing support, and it was a form of peaceful protest. Let's hope it continues.. and people understand the need to make change peacefully through the ballot box. I'm so sorry you have been subjected to the less than "Christain" remarks coming from some. It's a lot easier for them with the anonymity of a message forum. Like has been said.. there are folks of all races participating here.. and some should understand how hurtful their words are. But sadly. I suspect they just don't care.

I think it was just a sign of support, respect and solidarity, I couldn't really even call that a protest. People are slowly becoming aware of some of the injustices taking place in many areas, and that's a good thing. I'm sorry too that those of color have to live with remarks like that and be treated with less respect in America. I think that those who have grown up with all different kinds of people, like we who come from a big city environment, are more aware than some others. Nobody should be hurtful with their words, either online or in real life, IMO.
 
Why is it that more men accept the Ferguson verdict than women?

Perhaps men recognize a thug when they see one and women allow their maternal instincts to take over. This seems to be the case on this forum and from what I have seen and heard elsewhere...
 
Perhaps men recognize a thug when they see one and women allow their maternal instincts to take over. This seems to be the case on this forum and from what I have seen and heard elsewhere...

I hadn't noticed before but I believe you're right Ralphy.

All those who are showing support for this criminal are just promoting the violence and hurting race relations in this country. We should all be supporting law and order and standing behind our police when they are attacked by lawless thugs.
 


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