Are you listening to the news? Officer Wilson Not Indicted in Brown Shooting

So you don't believe Supreme Court Justice Scalia???? I would imagine that if you get to be a Supreme Court Justice... you probably know what you are talking about regarding the law...
 

BobF said:
Certainly obvious a lot of the posters on this site are both lefties and non receptive of those that will accept other than far left news on TV or where ever.

I am not a lefty nor am I a hard core conservative. I only watch some shows on FOX NEWS and more on NBC, CBS, and others. One station I do occasionally do listen to is MSNBC, but they are far too left for real news or facts about things in this country. They are also seeing their number of listeners going down in the recent years. So watch what you wish but you should not waste so much time and effort posting all the twisted crap about FOX NEWS. Some may be true but much might be twisted, something others could do about other TV news stations if in a hurry to destroy competition rather that demand greatness of your favorite stations. MSNBC is not at great or honest place to listen to news. They have a lady that once had her own station running but when there were no listeners left for her the station was closed. Now at least she is on MSNBC and killing their listeners count.

Yes I did say see his fathers beard, and factually so, as he has been described as a Muslim in more than one place since the killing event. Sounds like some here just do not read enough to know what is really going on. Sad for so many to just want to lay their very own narrow mindedness on to everyone or you will be called names for sure. People that can say Obama is doing great in spite of all the problems caused to the US treasury and the rejections by over 60% of the people in the US just are not people to trust or believe. This seems to be a large group on this thread. I won't say for this forum as I have only been on a couple threads.

OK, I am not far enough left for some of you folks, but that is OK on most forums that do listen to both sides and allow the other posters to have there thoughts too.
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I'm not a lefty either, I've voted both Republican and Democrat in the past. I also listen to different news stations, including Fox and MSNBC. I still believe that Fox news is biased and has a lot of issues reporting the truth about what really happened, without all their spin. From the owners and the powers that be in the shadows, I understand this and am not surprised.

I'm sure he's been described as a Muslim in more than one place, as many others quote what they hear on Fox news and such conservative media talk shows, etc. I wouldn't be too quick to call anyone narrow-minded, without a true look in the mirror. So, enlighten us about Michael Brown Jr being a Muslim, not that it matters, but I'd like some kind of verification, something I have trouble finding...perhaps you can give some proof of this?

It's unfortunate that people who hate the President of the United States so much as to dismiss any and all information provided by the Democratic Party and its newsfeeds, won't stop to consider the other side of the story. I am an Independent, but I have to say, that the more I pay attention to the conservative news media and right-wing talk shows, the less I trust or respect that side of the aisle. Issues like gun rights are few worth listening to anymore from the right.
 
What does Muslim have to do with this thread anyway? I'm more interested in the disgusting ruse Prosecutor McCullough pulled with the Grand Jury that will let Wilson go without a trial. As I posted even Justice Scalia... about as far Right as you can get as Justices go.. thinks so.
 

HFL brought up in this thread that Michael Brown Jr. was a Muslim, trying to explain Islamic terrorist activity in the rioting, and alleging that the media was trying to hide the fact of his religion, except for Fox news....that is where the Muslim question comes in, and I for one would like to see proof of his religion, I understood him to be Baptist. Even if he was a Muslim, as I've said in the past, it doesn't matter because it doesn't mean he is an Islamist terrorist. I think if people are going to make these assumptions, then they should offer some validation...none of which I've heard or read.

I agree the Grand Jury procedure was very irregular, and the prosecutor obviously worked things in such a way as to get no indictment. Some info and a video by lawyers here on the matter...http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...rand-jury-in-ferguson-was-set-up-for-failure/
 
nwlady said:
I think anyone, anywhere that bad-mouths the others side, calls names, and insists only they know the true facts are childish, as well as ignorant.. There is truth on both sides. That's why I don't want to take sides. See what both say and then make a decision.

There are lots of folks in the middle now Bob, then there used to be, and there is such a handful of people that even speak up here. Did you ever notice how many just "read" a post without commenting? Who knows what they think, but I can't blame them for avoided some of these threads;)
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Yes and I am sure there are many who read but don't post. Often that is me. In this recent post I did not post any names to identify anyone, and some were a bit overdoing things, I was just trying to say facts for one are pure nonsense to others and both could be absolutely correct. Some of these folks are so political they just determine anyone not posting their favorite way are totally wrong and they publish pure nonsense to prove it.

For one, I am not far right in my ways and thinking, nor am I so far left that I will just detest and smear those that are not way far left.

You are right, I should just read and move on. I thought about it but decided some real way out far left nonsense needed some attention.
 
SeaBreeze said:
HFL brought up in this thread that Michael Brown Jr. was a Muslim, trying to explain Islamic terrorist activity in the rioting, and alleging that the media was trying to hide the fact of his religion, except for Fox news....that is where the Muslim question comes in, and I for one would like to see proof of his religion, I understood him to be Baptist. Even if he was a Muslim, as I've said in the past, it doesn't matter because it doesn't mean he is an Islamist terrorist. I think if people are going to make these assumptions, then they should offer some validation...none of which I've heard or read.



I agree the Grand Jury procedure was very irregular, and the prosecutor obviously worked things in such a way as to get no indictment. Some info and a video by lawyers here on the matter...http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...rand-jury-in-ferguson-was-set-up-for-failure/
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Oh... ok, but I still fail to see why Muslim was even brought up. Makes no sense to me. Nothing more than a red herring.
 
I appreciated your post Bob. I'm not all that smart about politics, but my faves to discuss things with (and hopefully learn more) are those that can do it without being a smart-ass. It's just like cigarettes for me, no, I don't like cigarettes, but I certainly do NOT hate the smoker. Here, at times, because someone believes differently it's suddenly "burn the witch", sick:(
 
Without wasting any more time on this thread, I think I read about the family being Muslim right here somewhere. But I am not going to waste my time reading back.

You have distorted my opinion of Obama into a hate thinking thing. Not so at all. Very tired though, of watching him ignore our financial situation and keeping on raising the level of debt. Before Obama our debt was in the 7 trillion level and both Clinton and Bush had tried to contain it to that level or lower it. In Bush's last two years the Democrats took over the Congress and drove the debt up to 10 trillion. After Obama came on he kept driving the debt up to now nearing 20 trillion and it does not look like any attempt to end this spiral to bankruptcy for the US any time soon. So I object to his ignoring our Congress for so many years and just spending his way along. You also paid no attention to my saying I don't spend all my time on FOX NEWS but when I do I do see some very interesting articles about how wasteful some groups are and how better this or that other groups might be. Not all on FOX NEWS are conservatives at all. There are some that are very much tending to the far left path of politics and government. There are also some Libertarians, so much of both sides does get exposed.

Sorry you do not seem to understand what I am posting as I do watch normal NBC programs and some programs on Fox News. I do not sit and just watch Fox News all the time as some might do with their favorite news program and nothing else. Mix up the stations and get a better idea of what is really going on. I think you are on a good path, being an independent.
 
Well, back to the thread topic, I hope some answers and justice come out of this senseless shooting, the Grand Jury did what they could with the way they were manipulated in this case. I just hope the violence dies down, and people's lives in Ferguson can get back to normal, and the people in power who can make some positive changes for all communities, and police departments begin to have some constructive dialogue on the issues.

As far as Obama, he'll only be around for two more years, then everyone can focus on dogging someone new.
 
SeaBreeze said:
Well, back to the thread topic, I hope some answers and justice come out of this senseless shooting, the Grand Jury did what they could with the way they were manipulated in this case. I just hope the violence dies down, and people's lives in Ferguson can get back to normal, and the people in power who can make some positive changes for all communities, and police departments begin to have some constructive dialogue on the issues.

As far as Obama, he'll only be around for two more years, then everyone can focus on dogging someone new.
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Not sure WHAT people think Obama is supposed to do about this whole thing. All he can do is speak for non-violence. Do they think because he is Black he can orchestrate the reactions in Ferguson? Wave his magic Black wand and everyone will obey? Give me a break.
 
Obama has done all he can by asking for people to protest in a peaceful manner. Some have him secretly meeting with the protesters, just to tell them to stay on course with their violent looting and rioting. I don't know how many times I heard 'stay on course' from the right-wing talking heads, they all assume it's encouraging chaos. But funny, as usual, nobody has come up with any other words in this alleged conversation, to even put those three words in their intended context. One has to be really gullible to fall for all those sound bites/quotes that are repeated endlessly to convince others of their position. Lots of folks take the bait hook, line and sinker.
 
SeaBreeze said:
Obama has done all he can by asking for people to protest in a peaceful manner. Some have him secretly meeting with the protesters, just to tell them to stay on course with their violent looting and rioting. I don't know how many times I heard 'stay on course' from the right-wing talking heads, they all assume it's encouraging chaos. But funny, as usual, nobody has come up with any other words in this alleged conversation, to even put those three words in their intended context. One has to be really gullible to fall for all those sound bites/quotes that are repeated endlessly to convince others of their position. Lots of folks take the bait hook, line and sinker.
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OOOOOHHHHHH..... NOW I get the Muslim connection.. hahahahahahahaha!! What a hoot! Since I wouldn't listen to Faux noise or any other in the Right wing echo chamber on a dare, I had no idea that this was the latest.. Obama... muslim..... Brown..... Muslim... Now it's making sense... NOT!
 
The Justice department should investigate the entire system in Ferguson.. including Prosecutor McCullough, the mayor and all the way up to Govenor Nixon.
 
Ralphy1 said:
We can all have doubts but that doesn't mean the decision not to indict was wrong...
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I would say Ralphy... that when a Conservative Supreme Court Justice doubts the validity of a Grand Jury decision, it's time to take off the blinders and see that there was a problem. It was railroaded through by a Prosecutor who had absolutely NO intension of charges being brought against the killer. It's apparent to nearly everyone who understands law... Including the National Bar Association whose President came out against the way it was handled... For me? That's enough to know there was a fix in from the start and it was handled in an unorthodox fashion to engineer the results. Remember, the grand jury is nothing more than laymen.. and they were manipulated by a skilled prosecutor intent on having the results go the way he wanted.
 
That is pure bull. The prosecutor could have decided to not bring charges without a grand jury. He used the grand jury so that there would be no question the right decision was reached. That sure as hell didn't convince the people stupid enough to listen to the race baiters.
 
rkunsaw said:
That is pure bull. The prosecutor could have decided to not bring charges without a grand jury. He used the grand jury so that there would be no question the right decision was reached. That sure as hell didn't convince the people stupid enough to listen to the race baiters.
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Seems to me his actions have brought on a hellava lot of questions... and from people who are law experts too.. (can't get more expert than the SCOTUS).. So Are you calling Justice Scalia a "stupid race baiter" lol!!

http://www.nationofchange.org/2014/11/26/justice-scalia-explains-wrong-ferguson-grand-jury/

It is the grand jury’s function not ‘to enquire … upon what foundation [the charge may be] denied,’ or otherwise to try the suspect’s defenses, but only to examine ‘upon what foundation [the charge] is made’ by the prosecutor. Respublica v. Shaffer, 1 Dall. 236 (O. T. Phila. 1788); see also F. Wharton, Criminal Pleading and Practice § 360, pp. 248-249 (8th ed. 1880). As a consequence, neither in this country nor in England has the suspect under investigation by the grand jury ever been thought to have a right to testify or to have exculpatory evidence presented.

Compare Justice Scalia’s description of the role of the grand jury to what the prosecutors told the Ferguson grand jury before they started their deliberations:
And you must find probable cause to believe that Darren Wilson did not act in lawful self-defense and you must find probable cause to believe that Darren Wilson did not use lawful force in making an arrest. If you find those things, which is kind of like finding a negative, you cannot return an indictment on anything or true bill unless you find both of those things. Because both are complete defenses to any offense and they both have been raised in his, in the evidence.


As Justice Scalia explained the evidence to support these “complete defenses,” including Wilson’s testimony, was only included by McCulloch by ignoring how grand juries historically work.
There were several eyewitness accounts that strongly suggested Wilson did not act in self-defense. McCulloch could have, and his critics say should have, presented that evidence to the grand jury and likely returned an indictment in days, not months. It’s a low bar, which is why virtually all grand juries return indictments.
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St. Louis Rams

Anyone see the Rams protest by five of their players? They had their 'hands up.' Thoughts?

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