Are you listening to the news? Officer Wilson Not Indicted in Brown Shooting

nwlady said:
Yes, I'm in agreement CR, I recently read the rules again myself, and there are not to be any personal attacks or name calling.
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Excuse me.... but calling someones remarks bigotted is expressing an opinion about the remark or position... NOT the person.. and it's not a personal attack... Just wanted to set the record straight... AND I did misread CRs post... thinking it was HIS remark... not the CNN reporter... AND I have apologized to him for doing so. There is really no need to stir the pot... is there?
 

Some sorrows

Sorry that the young man died, but he put himself in harm's way. So sorry that he happened to be black, and that the officer is white. Sorry that there are those that view this incident as race-related, it was a response to criminal acts, nothing else.

Sorry that the criminal element in the Ferguson community rose-up and took the opportunity to loot and vandalize, in the name of 'protest'.
 
I have always liked Martin Luther King's words about how one day we will judge a person by the content of their character, rather than the color of their skin. Sadly. that day is not fully here yet.
 
Meanderer said:
I have always liked Martin Luther King's words about how one day we will judge a person by the content of their character, rather than the color of their skin. Sadly. that day is not here yet.
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I think that day is here and has been here for a long time for most of us.

There are those whose livelihood depends on keeping things stirred up so they can get donations and votes. They are the racists.
 
I'm done with this thread... seems like everything has been said... no minds changed.... and racial and political ideology appear hardened and carved in stone. Guess we have to wait until the entire electorate changes before real change will take affect.
 
rkunsaw said:
I think that day is here and has been here for a long time for most of us.

There are those whose livelihood depends on keeping things stirred up so they can get donations and votes. They are the racists.
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Personally, that time has arrived for me also, Larry. I was speaking of the situation in news. We have to apply those words not as a magnifying glass, but as a mirror.
 
You didn't misread my post, QS. The Congress Woman on CNN stated that Brown was getting ready to attend college. The words I said about what she said was "yea, right", was being sarcastic (sorry, the way I talk sometimes). What I said is that Brown wouldn't be headed to college right away because, if caught/arrested for stealing those cigaritto's (or whatever they were), he would be going to jail first. Which was just a fact.

To his friends/family, Brown was a nice teen, but just how nice was he? Stealing from a Convenient Store, using his size/body to push around the store clerk who tried to stop him from stealing and then disobeying officer Wilson telling him and his friend to get out of the middle of the street and go on the sidewalk. If this teen is being this way towards a cop and a store clerk, how will he act if he gets upset with a college teacher?
 
QuickSilver said:
I'm done with this thread... seems like everything has been said... no minds changed.... and racial and political ideology appear hardened and carved in stone. Guess we have to wait until the entire electorate changes before real change will take affect.
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I used to believe that others minds could be changed by presenting the "truth" in a palatable way, I have since abandoned that belief.

We can only express our personal views, but the desire to "change" other people's way of thinking will never be fulfilled.
 
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ClassicRockr said:
You didn't misread my post, QS. The Congress Woman on CNN stated that Brown was getting ready to attend college. The words I said about what she said was "yea, right", was being sarcastic (sorry, the way I talk sometimes). What I said is that Brown wouldn't be headed to college right away because, if caught/arrested for stealing those cigaritto's (or whatever they were), he would be going to jail first. Which was just a fact.

To his friends/family, Brown was a nice teen, but just how nice was he? Stealing from a Convenient Store, using his size/body to push around the store clerk who tried to stop him from stealing and then disobeying officer Wilson telling him and his friend to get out of the middle of the street and go on the sidewalk. If this teen is being this way towards a cop and a store clerk, how will he act if he gets upset with a college teacher?
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To this, all I can say is I'm glad all of us had perfectly behaved teenagers who never did stupid, dangerous or illegal things while out of our sight.

So this begs the question. Do you believe a middle class white kid from a nice neighborhood would go to jail for stealing a box of Swisher Sweets?
 
I know what my answer is, but will let others "chime-in" on that question.

QuickSilver said:
To this, all I can say is I'm glad all of us had perfectly behaved teenagers who never did stupid, dangerous or illegal things while out of our sight.

So this begs the question. Do you believe a middle class white kid from a nice neighborhood would go to jail for stealing a box of Swisher Sweets?
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I wonder it that is the same story as told to the jury folks. According to the reports about the jury folks, they said the medical reports said there were no shots in the back. Lots to worry about such individual reports compared to he compiled and thought through reports of the 12 people. And there were blacks on that committee too.
 
Well, we can debate Michael Brown's personality, and what happened, on and on. You have your thoughts/feelings and others have their thoughts/feelings.

Time to move on! I thought you made a reply that you were done with this Thread? :) As for me, I think I am.
 
rkunsaw said:
Probably not for stealing cigars and Michael Brown wouldn't either, but white or black they would go to jail for assaulting a police officer. Or get shot.
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They may.... unless mom and dad could pay for a good attorney. I'm not sure they would be shot either..

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-wilson-ferguson-killing-grand-jury/70076886/

Officer Darren Wilson testified before a St. Louis County grand jury that Michael Brown looked "like a demon" as the bigger man repeatedly punched and assaulted him in an Aug. 9 scuffle that turned deadly.
Wilson said Brown became overpoweringly violent after the officer asked him to stop walking in the middle of a street. "I've never seen that much aggression so quickly from a simple request to just walk on the sidewalk," Wilson testified.
Documents released by the prosecutors office offer a detailed account of the usually secret grand jury proceedings. In them, Wilson describes to the grand jury that he thought Brown was much stronger than him, and that he felt he needed to defend himself with bullets.
Wilson said he initially tried to subdue Brown by physical means, but that "when I grabbed him, the only way I can describe it is I felt like a five-year-old holding Hulk Hogan." Brown was described as 6-foot-4 and weighing well over 250 pounds.
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Now you have to remember... Brown was not that much bigger than Wilson.. who is also 6'4" and weights 210. I'm not sure such FEAR would have been generated by a White teen. Wilson is in the wrong business if that much fear was generated. It's the stereotype of Blacks having some superhuman strength and physical ability... almost animal like that seems to have colored Wilsons judgment. Of course he was testifying to save his butt too... so of course he is going to make it sound like he was really terrified of this kid who was not that much bigger than him. One would think that a trained police officer would be able to defuse this situation without killing someone....
 
I think that this is a police issue, which has been made to look like a racist issue, mostly by the media's reporting and stirring up of the incident. The truth is that police shoot criminals every day in America, and criminals also shoot police officers every day in America. Most of it goes unnoticed by the media, or is only barely mentioned.
If this had been two white people, or even two black people, it would have never made the news at all. Brown was not shot becasue of the color of his skin; he was shot because he was resisting arrest and (probably) assaulting a police officer. Whether the officer was justified in shooting Brown is the important issue, not what race they are.

However, the media has turned this into a racist debate, and black people everywhere (and white people, too) are now seeing it as that.
Pretty much, all of the races can get along fine. As several have mentioned, we have friends of different races, and sometimes neighbors as well. If one of the neighbors falls while walking down the street, I am going to run out and help them, and color does not even come into the question.

However, that being said, there are issues here that have not been brought out in all of the pages of this thread, and I believe that they are not only important; but possibly critical.
Obviously, anger between black and white people is being stirred here, that part is obvious; the question is , who is stirring the pot ? ?
Something that is never mentioned is Brown's Islamic background.
Yes, he was a Muslim. We never hear that part.
The radical Islamic leaders are very likely the ones who are pushing all of this fighting, rioting and looting. They are the ones that are recruiting our black youth into ISIS, and other terrorist groups.
We all understand that radical Islamic terrorists are using whatever methods they can against white people, especially white Christians.
Now, they are also starting a civil war that does not ever need to be, by playing both sides of this issue.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/1...co-opt-ferguson-protests-says-watchdog-group/
 
tnthomas said:
I used to believe that others minds could be changed by presenting the "truth" in a palatable way, I have since abandoned that belief.

We can only express our personal views, but the desire to "change" other people's way of thinking will never be fulfilled.
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I tend to mostly agree with this. I'm not sure who pulls the strings in Norta Americano, but it may be white men. Maybe we don't deed all that change, maybe change is liken to our presidential elections, we think we vote to elect a president, but nay, it's that college elects our president, that Electrorial College. Maybe that's a good thing.
 
I don't look to change anyone's opinion here, everybody is entitled to their own opinions on any subject. Also, changing a couple of minds on a forum is not going to change the realities of what's happening in our country regarding the police department, crime, and the justice system. I don't know much about jury and court proceedings, but thought this was interesting information I heard yesterday about the prosecutor and 'data dumping' on the grand jury, seems like a common strategy. I was particularly interested in what Mike Papantonio was saying, after around minute 10 of this 11/25/14 clip. http://www.msnbc.com/the-ed-show
 
I watched that entire film. I do agree that there will be more hearings and court actions ahead. I do not agree that this act was done illegally at all, nor do I agree that the shooting victim had run away and got shot in the back nor do I agree that the victim was standing there with his hands in the air while the policeman took aim and shot him down. Far too many other reviews and talks have said that the victim had been reaching inside the police car and personally attacked the policeman and tried to take his gun. They also have said he was moving toward the car and his hands were not in the air.

Another review in another court is needed now to take all the twisting out of the story and either free the policeman of any false charges or get some sort of court hearing to clear up the story and correct police ways and rules or send the patrolman off with real charges and a lot less of this political nonsense we seem to be getting far too much of.
 
Don't smack me, but I have to ask.............if it were a white kid killed, would there be the protesting, looting, rioting? Just askin'. If you act ghetto, you'll be treated like ghetto. If you act like white trash, you'll be treated like white trash. I don't care what color you are. Prejudices live on because people's actions keep them alive.
 
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