Do You Believe in an Eternal Hell

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Aneeda72 said:
Yup, I read the Bible extensively as a child, but not since then. As the saying goes, when I was a child I believed as a child, but I am an old woman now, a tad wiser and I stopped drinking the kool aide.
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Interesting..as Catholics we never memorized the Bible and what I learned was in Church sermons or in school. For me, the Bible 'changed' as I changed. What I could not understand as a child made more sense as I became an adult.
 

Keesha said:
I didn’t view this topic as religious. It just turned into a religious one.
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Is it ok to discuss religion on this board?? I know politics is off-limits but did not think religion was. I hope it is ok. I would even have enjoyed politics as long as people were respectful and if they knew they could not be maybe they could/should not participate?
 
I didn't read all of the posts here so I apologize if I'm repeating anyone's post. I've heard that if you believe in one (heaven), you have to believe in the other (hell). But the idea of hell is so scary, I just keep rejecting the idea that it exists.
 

Serenity4321 said:
Is it ok to discuss religion on this board?? I know politics is off-limits but did not think religion was. I hope it is ok. I would even have enjoyed politics as long as people were respectful and if they knew they could not be maybe they could/should not participate?
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Religion Is fine to discuss, but some people are not fine with discussing it 😂
 
Serenity4321 said:
Interesting..as Catholics we never memorized the Bible and what I learned was in Church sermons or in school. For me, the Bible 'changed' as I changed. What I could not understand as a child made more sense as I became an adult.
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Yes, I was surprised how little Catholics read the Bible but I was raised southern Baptist and, when you are young, a Bible is superglued to your hand. It never comes off, never. I can still feel it there after all these years.
 
caroln said:
I didn't read all of the posts here so I apologize if I'm repeating anyone's post. I've heard that if you believe in one (heaven), you have to believe in the other (hell). But the idea of hell is so scary, I just keep rejecting the idea that it exists.
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Hi caroln and welcome to the Senior Forums. I bowed out of the thread yesterday because it drifted off-topic but I found your post intriguing. I believe in both Heaven and Hell but I personally have No Fear of the Topic of Hell because I know that I won't be going there.

I deserve to go there, just like everyone, but I'm perfectly at peace with my faith in knowing that my punishment was paid for by Jesus when he suffered for our wrongs which allowed us to be forgiven when we believe. I'll be celebrating that blessed assurance on Easter in just a few days in fact.

You came to what I see as the most docile religious thread I've ever been in with pages and pages of various religious views. Sure there were disagreements since we were created to have "choices" but no one got ugly nor called anyone names. I find it remarkable really. SF is an incredible Forum thanks to @Matrix and @SeaBreeze

Have a Happy Easter🐤🐣🐥

Blessed assurance, Jesus is mine
Oh, what a foretaste of glory divine
Heir of salvation, purchase of God
Born of His spirit, washed in His blood
Perfect submission, all is at rest
I in my Savior, am happy and blessed
Watching and waiting, looking above
Filled with His goodness, lost in His love
 
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Serenity4321 said:
Is it ok to discuss religion on this board?? I know politics is off-limits but did not think religion was. I hope it is ok. I would even have enjoyed politics as long as people were respectful and if they knew they could not be maybe they could/should not participate?
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Apparently religion is fine to discuss on the site according to the rules and regulations however politics aren’t yet many members start them.
The only reason I even mentioned it was due to J.B. Books post stating how he feels about politics and religion in that they never end well and I agree.
J.B Books said:
Like I said earlier. I hesitated in getting involved in this thread.

Two topics that never end well on an internet discussion are politics and religion.
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People often have opposing sides which they hang onto and try to prove to the other. Oddly enough there are always two sides to an argument which doesn’t necessarily make a right or a wrong; merely a difference in opinion.
 
Serenity4321 said:
That is partly why I am leaning toward reincarnation..I agree there is not enough time in one life but with multiple lifetimes or maybe even multidimensional universes it could be.
Yes, multidimensional universes is also something I find intriguing. This is all so far removed from my Catholic upbringing but a result of years of reading many different sources.. :D
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I did some research which I will get into probably tomorrow on this subject, but you don’t have to atone for every little thing
 
I suggest that those who are truely interested in the subject of Eternal Hell google Christian views on Hell, Wikipedia which is extremely interesting and explain various viewpoints. As I suspected, hell depends on if you are speaking of God the Father, Jesus Christ, the Holy Ghost, now renamed the Holy Spirit.

I sticking with the Holy Ghost. Remember I am only speaking about Christians, I know nothing about other religions, and barely know about Christians. But I did have that Bible in my hands in my early years, and I was required to read it, study it, become one with the Bible.

I was going to refer to what several members had written on the thread, but, that would be just too much work. One person really nailed it when they said that eternal hell would be the separation from God. I took this to mean God the Father, who is, in charge and will judge us all.

The site said, to loosely paraphrase, hell is defined by GOD the FATHER‘s judgement for/on unrepenttant sinners. WOW, just WOW. Cause I remember all those signs, I saw as a child, held by so called bums in Los Angeles, which said Repent the End is Near. Bible readers. Impressive.

Apparently today most theologians see hell as the logical consequence of using free will to reject union/belief with God the Father. God does not force formality which would be incompatible with God’s justice and mercy, known as free will.

It is, apparently, humans that create their own hell, not God the Father. Humans who refuse to believe, humans who refuse to love God the Father, humans who refuse to repent, humans who refuse to love their God. Without loving God the Father, without repenting our sins without accepting his mercy, the human is lost.

I believe there is ONE God the Father. The main dude so to speak. The God of the Old Testament. The God all believers believe in regardless of religion. But, that’s just me.

Believe, repent, accept God the Father and thou are good to go, with God the father, Jesus Christ is a bit different. As you read, you may understand why suicides were unacceptable. Suicide, as I understand it, would be a mortal sin against the Holy Ghost which resides inside us.

The status of the Holy Ghost, sins against the Holy Ghost, etc. are really confusing and complex so not going down that path. We were made in God’s image, we were given the Holy Ghost, so rejecting life, huge sin, huge. Although, there was a point where it said any sin could be forgiven. Read for yourselves if interested, not trying to explain it.

Onward to the hell of Jesus Christ. Remember what I said earlier, you know, give the Romans what belongs to them, give God want belongs to him, and give JC his due. Oh, and remember the Holy Ghost. The trinity.
 
I was really interested in the take on the hell of Jesus Christ. This came from Matthew 25:32-46 and is so personally interesting to me because over the years I have been told, by many believers, that I have secured my place in heaven. Frankly, I had no clue as to what they meant or how I, such an acknowledged sinner, managed this.

But after reading much of the information on the site I am referring to, as long as I do not kill my self, I repent and accept and love God the Father, and do as Jesus Christ says, I am good to go with all three of the trinity. Such a relief. Still, to hedge my bet on this, I will continue to do my best.

Again, loosely paraphrased in most areas. JC apparently said he will consign to every lasting fire those who failed to aid “the least of his brothers”. WOW. So with him, it’s not about repenting, it’s not about your sins, it’s not about what most think it’s about. It does say somewhere about you will be known by your words and your deeds. Apparently he is serious about this.

Lots of people should have paid more attention to that, I am thinking.

Matthew 25:31-46. I tried to copy it as best I could, cause I do not know how to copy and paste. Do not try to tell me how, I’m hopeless. Anyway, here it goes.

”Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the ETERNAL FIRE, for devils and his angles. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat. I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink. I was a stranger and you did not invite me in. I needed clothes and you did not clothe me. I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me. Whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.”

I suspect a lot of so-called self named Christians might be surprised. 😳. In any event, my hell on earth was made by my parents and I, and many others, have served their times. I do not believe in an eternal hell. God the Fathers forgiveness appears to be easy to obtain.

As for the Holy Ghost, I do not know. If someone succeeds at killing themselves and disrupts God the Father’s plan for them, I believe a path to heaven must still exist if belief exist.

As I read about the eternal fire condemnation of Jesus Christ, it made sense to me. The whole “you will be known by your words and deeds thing”. I think of all the harshness people display towards so many others, the lack of compassion, the lack of empathy, the lack of simple human kindness towards the stranger on the street. And the outright arrogance of some, 🤦🏻‍♀️.

In any event, after my shallow research and after my reading of the various eternal hells, do I believe in eternal hell? Nope. 😂. Welcome back to the thread @Lara. I do like discussions with you. 😍
 
J.B Books said:
Like I said earlier. I hesitated in getting involved in this thread.

Two topics that never end well on an internet discussion are politics and religion.

So to respond and gracefully bow out of this thread, because once gain because of my Faith, I have been proven to be demographically insignificant on this forum.

My comment was directed to those that have been Catechized, and admittedly that is the minority here.

Those few would know that:

My "out of context" quote is not out of context.

That "prayer" is not a prayer, but a quote.

And it has everything in the world to do with Easter.

I do not have the time, patience, or inclination to educate, explain, and defend the Catholic Faith here.

I am grossly outnumbered here and it will prove to be an exercise in futility.

With that I bid adieu.
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In my experience, Catholic run primary and high schools in Sydney are, without doubt, far and away more caring, more efficient, better managed and generally superior in every way to the state-run school system. Also Catholic aged care homes are streets ahead of other state and church run homes IMO.
 
mellowyellow said:
In my experience, Catholic run primary and high schools in Sydney are, without doubt, far and away more caring, more efficient, better managed and generally superior in every way to the state-run school system. Also Catholic aged care homes are streets ahead of other state and church run homes IMO.
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The Catholic nursing home I was in, was not good, clean but not good. But I am in the USA.
 
My son put his 1st grade son in the local catholic school after Christmas because they were in class room and the public school was still closed it has been great for him and we have already registered him for 2nd grade in the fall
 
caroln said:
I didn't read all of the posts here so I apologize if I'm repeating anyone's post. I've heard that if you believe in one (heaven), you have to believe in the other (hell). But the idea of hell is so scary, I just keep rejecting the idea that it exists.
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If there's an afterlife it might look something like this.....
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:cool: 😁
 
Lara said:
Hi caroln and welcome to the Senior Forums. I bowed out of the thread yesterday because it drifted off-topic but I found your post intriguing. I believe in both Heaven and Hell but I personally have No Fear of the Topic of Hell because I know that I won't be going there.

I deserve to go there, just like everyone, but I'm perfectly at peace with my faith in knowing that my punishment was paid for by Jesus when he suffered for our wrongs which allowed us to be forgiven when we believe. I'll be celebrating that blessed assurance on Easter in just a few days in fact.

You came to what I see as the most docile religious thread I've ever been in with pages and pages of various religious views. Sure there were disagreements since we were created to have "choices" but no one got ugly nor called anyone names. I find it remarkable really. SF is an incredible Forum thanks to @Matrix and @SeaBreeze

Have a Happy Easter🐤🐣🐥

Blessed assurance, Jesus is mine
Oh, what a foretaste of glory divine
Heir of salvation, purchase of God
Born of His spirit, washed in His blood
Perfect submission, all is at rest
I in my Savior, am happy and blessed
Watching and waiting, looking above
Filled with His goodness, lost in His love
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I agree that the people on this forum are very respectful of each other's opinions. What a nice change from most forums! 😊
 
caroln said:
I agree that the people on this forum are very respectful of each other's opinions. What a nice change from most forums! 😊
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I think you'll enjoy it here.

I kind of come and go.

I'll post for awhile then disappear for awhile.

But it's always very civil.

Especially since they disallowed political commentary.

Nothing will get people to turn on each other faster than politics. :cautious:
 
Aneeda72 said:
The Catholic nursing home I was in, was not good, clean but not good. But I am in the USA.
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My husband was in 2 SNFs and from everything I have read and discussed I question if there really any good ones??? Supposedly the 2 my husband was in were among the best in the area; however, I had to be a constant advocate and it was really a difficult experience. My heart goes out to those who have no advocates... :(
 
caroln said:
I didn't read all of the posts here so I apologize if I'm repeating anyone's post. I've heard that if you believe in one (heaven), you have to believe in the other (hell). But the idea of hell is so scary, I just keep rejecting the idea that it exists.
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Hi caolin..Interesting..I have never heard that. But then there are so many ways to define and try to picture heaven and/or hell..I still say hell is but not for eternity. I can not accept or believe God would not keep giving chances to redeem oneself no matter how 'long' it takes...
 
Do you mean keep giving them chances after they have died? Just clarifying because God does "keep giving chances to redeem oneself no matter how long it takes"....until death. One can sincerely accept Jesus into their heart on their death bed and be saved from Hell. They would miss out on all the blessings during their lifetime but they wouldn't spend eternity in Hell according to the Bible.
 
Lara said:
Do you mean keep giving them chances after they have died? Just clarifying because God does "keep giving chances to redeem oneself no matter how long it takes"....until death. One can sincerely accept Jesus into their heart on their death bed and be saved from Hell. They would miss out on all the blessings during their lifetime but they wouldn't spend eternity in Hell according to the Bible.
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Yes after they die to this world ..because I am beginning to believe in reincarnation or perhaps multidimensions or parallel universes. I have a hard time accepting there is this life then only heaven or hell..well perhaps Catholicism still teaches purgatory?
I understand the death bed conversion, but still, considering the different experiences and privileges and struggles people have, I have a tough time believing we only get one shot and then judgment.
 
Serenity4321 said:
Yes after they die to this world ..because I am beginning to believe in reincarnation or perhaps multidimensions or parallel universes. I have a hard time accepting there is this life then only heaven or hell..well perhaps Catholicism still teaches purgatory?
I understand the death bed conversion, but still, considering the different experiences and privileges and struggles people have, I have a tough time believing we only get one shot and then judgment.
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I think purgatory is old school and was a way for the priests and the church to make money. Just my opinion. I am not an “active” Catholic, in fact, I was never terribly active although I went regularly to mass. But have not gone to mass in years, watch it occasionally on tv, not very often.
 
Aneeda72 said:
I think purgatory is old school and was a way for the priests and the church to make money. Just my opinion. I am not an “active” Catholic, in fact, I was never terribly active although I went regularly to mass. But have not gone to mass in years, watch it occasionally on tv, not very often.
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Same here...I used to think purgatory made sense when it was explained as also a place for unbaptized babies, but I have long ago given up many beliefs I used to accept as a child in Catholic school
How did they make money off purgatory?? PLEASE don't tell me you could buy someone's soul out of purgatory :oops:
 

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