Do You Believe in an Eternal Hell

[Dana]

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WoW....
I can’t believe some of the stuff I am reading here. As a somewhat sane, practical person with feet firmly planted on the ground, I cannot get my head around some mindsets. Sooo now the eternal hell has been moved from the outer nether to the centre of the earth… I think someone is having a massive Jules Verne moment!

If the fear of going to eternal hell, is what’s keeping some people from living an abysmal life, then they really have some major problems. Surely, to be a good person you don’t need this far-fetched and dubious incentive to keep you on the straight and narrow…how about doing unto others…(you know the rest) and let the Universe decide (as it has been doing for millions of years) what action is necessary.

Many Christians assume Jesus himself taught about heaven and hell… that is not true. Neither Jesus, nor the Old Testament (Hebrew Bible written before Christ) endorsed the view that departed souls go to paradise or a place of everlasting torture. This entire palaver started with the arrival of the New Testament written in the first century Anno Domini and long after Jesus died!

The poor ravaged souls who could not read nor write were baptized with fear. When Jesus was crucified, many who were drawn to him during his lifetime, were leaving the “group”… I say group because, the word Christianity did not even exist at that time…so to keep them in their place, the elders devise a plan…the plan was… heaven and hell, fire and damnation, roasting on the spit! Put the fear of God into them and they will behave, they will believe, they will do as they were told, many of them who have never even seen Jesus or heard him speak.

Be warned…nothing will save you from the molten rock, the unquenchable fire in the bowels of the earth, and this guy

 

[Verisure]

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My goodness, this thread is still going…ah well…

My goodness, is humanity still pondering the meaning of life?

Except for Easter and Christmas, weddings, baptisms and funerals, I rarely go to church, but they do ask me to sing, so I keep making an appearance. I went to my little country church this Easter and as I watched the vicar and the people in the church…the “believers” of everything…I could not help wondering, would they love Jesus as much if they knew what he really looked like?

All those crosses with effigies of a blond haired blue eye Jesus ( real name Yeshua or Joshua)…I ponder as to what might change if, the person Christians celebrate as God in the flesh and saviour of the entire world, was not a white man, but a Middle Eastern Jew…if God made humans in His image, then why are we not more loving and kind to different races??

The whitewashing of Jesus is very sad indeed and to think people are still doing this in the 21st century makes me cringe. I can only hope children begin to question these things at an early age and have a more sensible approach to life than their parents.

Well, Jesus isn't depicted the same over the globe.
I wonder if Islam would experience a surge in popularity and conversion if Mohammad were depicted with blond hair and blue eyes?

 

[Aneeda72]

The deeds you mention were/are not a gift. Christian missionaries are footmen in the service of an organization that operates by methods similar to that of the mafia. I've lived in sub-Saharan Africa where a common expression is, "Missionaries came with a bible in one hand and a gun in the other."

You are absolutely right on this expression, it wasn’t as if the native tribes of other countries were waiting for the priests to show up.

 

[Aneeda72]

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My goodness, this thread is still going…ah well…

Except for Easter and Christmas, weddings, baptisms and funerals, I rarely go to church, but they do ask me to sing, so I keep making an appearance. I went to my little country church this Easter and as I watched the vicar and the people in the church…the “believers” of everything…I could not help wondering, would they love Jesus as much if they knew what he really looked like?

All those crosses with effigies of a blond haired blue eye Jesus ( real name Yeshua or Joshua)…I ponder as to what might change if, the person Christians celebrate as God in the flesh and saviour of the entire world, was not a white man, but a Middle Eastern Jew…if God made humans in His image, then why are we not more loving and kind to different races??

The whitewashing of Jesus is very sad indeed and to think people are still doing this in the 21st century makes me cringe. I can only hope children begin to question these things at an early age and have a more sensible approach to life than their parents.

It would depend on the color of the skin of the people in the congregation.

Some people still believe Jesus had white skin, after all, if according to some, JC was created without sperm or egg , then being born white, blue eyed, and blonde would be no big deal. After all, all things are possible with God. . @Dana

 

[Aneeda72]

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WoW....
I can’t believe some of the stuff I am reading here. As a somewhat sane, practical person with feet firmly planted on the ground, I cannot get my head around some mindsets. Sooo now the eternal hell has been moved from the outer nether to the centre of the earth… I think someone is having a massive Jules Verne moment!

If the fear of going to eternal hell, is what’s keeping some people from living an abysmal life, then they really have some major problems. Surely, to be a good person you don’t need this far-fetched and dubious incentive to keep you on the straight and narrow…how about doing unto others…(you know the rest) and let the Universe decide (as it has been doing for millions of years) what action is necessary.

Many Christians assume Jesus himself taught about heaven and hell… that is not true. Neither Jesus, nor the Old Testament (Hebrew Bible written before Christ) endorsed the view that departed souls go to paradise or a place of everlasting torture. This entire palaver started with the arrival of the New Testament written in the first century Anno Domini and long after Jesus died!

The poor ravaged souls who could not read nor write were baptized with fear. When Jesus was crucified, many who were drawn to him during his lifetime, were leaving the “group”… I say group because, the word Christianity did not even exist at that time…so to keep them in their place, the elders devise a plan…the plan was… heaven and hell, fire and damnation, roasting on the spit! Put the fear of God into them and they will behave, they will believe, they will do as they were told, many of them who have never even seen Jesus or heard him speak.

Be warned…nothing will save you from the molten rock, the unquenchable fire in the bowels of the earth, and this guy

The Romans believed in Hades which was in the earth, if I remember correctly. Just saying

 

[Dana]

My goodness, is humanity still pondering the meaning of life?


Well, Jesus isn't depicted the same over the globe.
I wonder if Islam would experience a surge in popularity and conversion if Mohammad were depicted with blond hair and blue eyes?

Am I the Dana you're meaning? If so, why is the picture called Dana's Jesus?

 

[Dana]

The Romans believed in Hades which was in the earth, if I remember correctly. Just saying

The Romans also worshipped the pagan God, Hades, who was the keeper of the Hell of Hades!

 

[Mr. Ed]

Someone mentioned Spothern Baptists..I grew up in Louisiana and I remember our Newman Club (Catholic students) dances on Sunday nights. We had Southern Baptists coming because they were not allowed to dance in their churches.. Wonderful times!!

I attended a Catholic public school while my dad was at New Orleans Southern Baptist Seminary between 1959-1962.

 

[Mr. Ed]

One time on the show The Big Bang Theory, Sheldon and Amy were discussing church and Amy said something that I've always thought about. Sheldon said that his mother made him go to church when he was a kid, and she said (paraphrasing here a little), "I understand the concept of a deity, I just don't understand one that takes attendance." I never understood why church was mandatory when God is supposed to be everywhere. What is the purpose of people meeting in one building once a week?

In my case church was mandatory to show support for my dad. When I realized church has nothing to do with my relationship to God I stopped going. My dad was a dysfunctional man who had a family he rejected in exchange for admiration by church and community. Paradoxically, not once did my dad talk about God, Jesus or faith to me or my brothers nor did he invest himself in our upbringing.

 

[Judycat]

Hope everyone took their training in this life seriously if you're looking forward to participating in the next one. A war is going on there. The grave is your other choice, however.

 

[Verisure]

You are absolutely right on this expression, it wasn’t as if the native tribes of other countries were waiting for the priests to show up.

Good point. And look at the treatment the indigenous population had to put up with in the name of Jesus, "civilization", and colonization: The first half of this recording gives us an idea

 

[Verisure]

Am I the Dana you're meaning? If so, why is the picture called Dana's Jesus?

Did you click on it? I made the collage just for you and I had to name it something ......

 

[garyt1957]

Hope everyone took their training in this life seriously if you're looking forward to participating in the next one. A war is going on there. The grave is your other choice, however.

What does that even mean?

 

[digifoss]

Lots of opinions here, it's almost like one of those "what's the best oil" threads in a car forum ..

 

[Verisure]

Lots of opinions here, it's almost like one of those "what's the best oil" threads in a car forum ..

No, there are only two opinions here: Do you Believe in an eternal hell or do you not believe in an eternal hell?
Opinions: Yes or No.

 

[Aneeda72]

In my case church was mandatory to show support for my dad. When I realized church has nothing to do with my relationship to God I stopped going. My dad was a dysfunctional man who had a family he rejected in exchange for admiration by church and community. Paradoxically, not once did my dad talk about God, Jesus or faith to me or my brothers nor did he invest himself in our upbringing.

My father, married over 7 times with at least 10 children, on his third marriage after my mother became, YUP, a Baptist preacher and a child modester, of his last few daughters.

 

[Homeschoolie]

I am always amazed that in our modern day and age with numerous Satellites and multiple space exploration vehicles (Voyager, Cassini etc.) sending back tens of thousands of hours of photos and sensor data that anyone can think that there are all types of spirit beings and billions of people at a physical, tangible heaven or hell out there somewhere.

Nothing has been found or seen, even by the two Voyagers who went past the edge of the bubble before we could no longer receive data from them.

If there is heaven or hell out there, is it thousands of light years away from earth? (at 37,000 MPH it took decades for the Voyagers reach the end of their mission).

So how did these spirits of people get through an incredibly dangerous/hostile environment, thousands of degrees temps, toxic hot gases, with solid obstacles (stars, planets, asteroids, gazillions of dust particles etc) along the way?

Even if the black hole, in the center of our galaxy, is their fast shortcut way to the destination it it numerous light years away from earth. Still one hell of a long hostile journey

It is just not rational or feasible. So that leaves us with Hell (and Heaven) IF they exist being here !

 

[Capt Lightning]

No, there are only two opinions here: Do you Believe in an eternal hell or do you not believe in an eternal hell?
Opinions: Yes or No.

NO .... but I have been to a Van Morrison concert!

 

[Verisure]

I am always amazed that in our modern day and age with numerous Satellites and multiple space exploration vehicles (Voyager, Cassini etc.) sending back tens of thousands of hours of photos and sensor data that anyone can think that there are all types of spirit beings and billions of people at a physical, tangible heaven or hell out there somewhere.

Nothing has been found or seen, even by the two Voyagers who went past the edge of the bubble before we could no longer receive data from them.

If there is heaven or hell out there, is it thousands of light years away from earth? (at 37,000 MPH it took decades for the Voyagers reach the end of their mission).

So how did these spirits of people get through an incredibly dangerous/hostile environment, thousands of degrees temps, toxic hot gases, with solid obstacles (stars, planets, asteroids, gazillions of dust particles etc) along the way?

Even if the black hole, in the center of our galaxy, is their fast shortcut way to the destination it it numerous light years away from earth. Still one hell of a long hostile journey

It is just not rational or feasible. So that leaves us with Hell (and Heaven) IF they exist being here !

Have faith, my son.

 

[Verisure]

NO .... but I have been to a Van Morrison concert!

In that case, you already know the meaning of life.

 

[Knight]

I am always amazed that in our modern day and age with numerous Satellites and multiple space exploration vehicles (Voyager, Cassini etc.) sending back tens of thousands of hours of photos and sensor data that anyone can think that there are all types of spirit beings and billions of people at a physical, tangible heaven or hell out there somewhere.

Nothing has been found or seen, even by the two Voyagers who went past the edge of the bubble before we could no longer receive data from them.

If there is heaven or hell out there, is it thousands of light years away from earth? (at 37,000 MPH it took decades for the Voyagers reach the end of their mission).

So how did these spirits of people get through an incredibly dangerous/hostile environment, thousands of degrees temps, toxic hot gases, with solid obstacles (stars, planets, asteroids, gazillions of dust particles etc) along the way?

Even if the black hole, in the center of our galaxy, is their fast shortcut way to the destination it it numerous light years away from earth. Still one hell of a long hostile journey

It is just not rational or feasible. So that leaves us with Hell (and Heaven) IF they exist being here !

We do know volcanos puke out fire & brimstone so as a place to end up makes sense if you want to scare people into believing there is an alternative.

The alternative wouldn't be in the heavens or solar system simply because A super natural being that would have to be about 13.8 billion years old supposedly made the heavens & earth. To do this that super natural being would have to be somewhere outside the heavens & earth. So while satellites, space probes, trips to the moon & Mars haven't witnessed any mass of spirits,souls or whatever goes out there, it's because they go Where no man has gone before.

Our universe is 13.8 billion years old, a timescale much longer than the more relatable spans of hundreds or thousands of years that impact our lived experiences. So how do astronomers arrive at such an enormous number?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...e is 13.8 billion,at such an enormous number?

 

[Homeschoolie]

Have faith, my son.

I'm a girl. The faith fantasy went out the window for me at the age of 7 when I discovered I had a brain.

 

[officerripley]

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WoW....
I can’t believe some of the stuff I am reading here. As a somewhat sane, practical person with feet firmly planted on the ground, I cannot get my head around some mindsets. Sooo now the eternal hell has been moved from the outer nether to the centre of the earth… I think someone is having a massive Jules Verne moment!

If the fear of going to eternal hell, is what’s keeping some people from living an abysmal life, then they really have some major problems. Surely, to be a good person you don’t need this far-fetched and dubious incentive to keep you on the straight and narrow…how about doing unto others…(you know the rest) and let the Universe decide (as it has been doing for millions of years) what action is necessary.

Many Christians assume Jesus himself taught about heaven and hell… that is not true. Neither Jesus, nor the Old Testament (Hebrew Bible written before Christ) endorsed the view that departed souls go to paradise or a place of everlasting torture. This entire palaver started with the arrival of the New Testament written in the first century Anno Domini and long after Jesus died!

The poor ravaged souls who could not read nor write were baptized with fear. When Jesus was crucified, many who were drawn to him during his lifetime, were leaving the “group”… I say group because, the word Christianity did not even exist at that time…so to keep them in their place, the elders devise a plan…the plan was… heaven and hell, fire and damnation, roasting on the spit! Put the fear of God into them and they will behave, they will believe, they will do as they were told, many of them who have never even seen Jesus or heard him speak.

Be warned…nothing will save you from the molten rock, the unquenchable fire in the bowels of the earth, and this guy

Sorry for all the blank space above; can't figure how to edit pix I post here.

 

[Dana]

My goodness, is humanity still pondering the meaning of life?


Well, Jesus isn't depicted the same over the globe.
I wonder if Islam would experience a surge in popularity and conversion if Mohammad were depicted with blond hair and blue eyes?

Wonderful Verisure...that's what I'm talking about! Thank you so much for the collage

 

[Verisure]

I'm a girl The faith fantasy went out the window for me at the age of 7 when I discovered I had a brain.

At 7? Most people don't discover they have a brain until they've reached about 40 and have experienced their first divorce.