Serious side effects- my opinion

win231 said:
Same here. And we were all exposed to the virus BEFORE masks & "Social Distancing" were in place (assuming they protect).
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The only time I've worn a mask is when it was required to enter a store and I get out a lot. It is good to remember that the 10 states with early, mandatory masking had more deaths per capita than the 10 states where masking wasn't mandatory. That said, if your immune system isn't up to snuff, do take all the recommended procedures.
 

JonDouglas said:
The only time I've worn a mask is when it was required to enter a store and I get out a lot. It is good to remember that the 10 states with early, mandatory masking had more deaths per capita than the 10 states where masking wasn't mandatory. That said, if your immune system isn't up to snuff, do take all the recommended procedures.
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Had as much effort been put into encouraging people to follow healthy immune system strengthening practices as they have in shutting the country down, telling people to isolate, get the vaccine, and above all wear a mask, the case and death numbers could have been much smaller. Vitamin D3 is one of the best immune system supplements we can take and we've heard little to nothing about it, and sunshine is a great way to get plenty of vitamin D, yet we were all told to stay indoors. A healthy diet and regular exercise is another thing that went down the drain for many. Lots of folks became unhealthy pale pudgy couch potatoes as a result of spending too much time indoors and not getting out enough.
 
digifoss said:
Had as much effort been put into encouraging people to follow healthy immune system strengthening practices as they have in shutting the country down, telling people to isolate, get the vaccine, and above all wear a mask, the case and death numbers could have been much smaller. Vitamin D3 is one of the best immune system supplements we can take and we've heard little to nothing about it, and sunshine is a great way to get plenty of vitamin D, yet we were all told to stay indoors. A healthy diet and regular exercise is another thing that went down the drain for many. Lots of folks became unhealthy pale pudgy couch potatoes as a result of spending too much time indoors and not getting out enough.
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I don't remember being told to stay indoors; yeah, they said shelter in place but also to get outdoors and exercise when possible, that it'd be good not only for physical but emotional health.
 
tbeltrans said:
I think that whole thing surrounding Trump getting COVID was, at minimum, staged in true P.T. Barnum fashion. I don't know that for a fact since I simply wasn't there. However, the people I know personally who have had COVID, were, in their own words, more sick than they had ever been in their lives. That description seems very consistent across the people I know personally who have had it. As for any drug associated with Trump's "cure", I think that was all a part of the medicine show, since nobody else seems to have been able to show similar results or even to have taken whatever that drug was.

Tony
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I was given Regeneron when I had COVID. It's administered using an IV. I got the hives from it after day 3, so they stopped giving it to me. I do believe that it did some good. I was feeling better, but after they stopped, I also stopped improving and just leveled off.
 
Becky1951 said:
Am I the only one who notices that every article relating to Covid vaccine serious side effects state how rare they are?

One state reports a few serious side effects, even possibly a death.

Another state reports similar happening a few days/weeks later.

Another state reports same days later. And so it continues.

Each article stating how rare it is.

Yes its rare when only counting how many were given the vaccine in that particular state vs how many had serious side effects in that state.

But adding all states together reporting since vaccinations began how many given the vaccine vs how many serious side effects, those serious side effects are creeping up..

Yes, you can reply with the CDC sites statistics showing those numbers they have, how many were vaccinated vs serious side effects.

But then try to remember how many times articles relating to serious side effects claim, we are investigating the serious side effects and will have updated information later.

I think their "investigating" is only investigating medical "experts" who will agree with them that their vaccines are safe with only "rare" serious side effects.

Just my opinion of it.

Those here in the forum who have not experienced serious side effects, that's great, however try to remember just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it's not happening or it's fake news, or someone is against vaccinations.
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You are not on that boat alone...
 
win231 said:
I don't think anyone who reaches 60 years or over has no health issues. Some known & some unknown.
I've had a bad reaction to an antibiotic that could have killed me - after taking it previously with no problem. That's why drugs & vaccines are "Rolling The Dice." You have to decide if it's worth the risk, & whether it protects. But those who chastise others who decide not to get a vaccine are fools.
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Great post. I had a very bad reaction to the flu vaccine years ago therefore I am undecided about the C Vaccine. I spoke with my dr office regarding the matter.. she stated "very understandable - better safe than sorry".
 
digifoss said:
Vitamin D3 is one of the best immune system supplements we can take and we've heard little to nothing about it, and sunshine is a great way to get plenty of vitamin D, yet we were all told to stay indoors.
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I agree. I don't go out much but I do take a daily dose of Vitamin D3 (5,000 UI). ;)
 
911 said:
I was given Regeneron when I had COVID. It's administered using an IV. I got the hives from it after day 3, so they stopped giving it to me. I do believe that it did some good. I was feeling better, but after they stopped, I also stopped improving and just leveled off.
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Maybe Trump was not negatively impacted by Regeneron? It sounds as if your recuperation took much longer than Trump's. I think it would be a good thing if there really was a medication that allowed a person to walk out of the hospital within three days and go back to work right away. It would change everything.

Tony
 
MarciKS said:
how do you know you've been exposed?
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Everybody has been exposed to some degree just by living in a world filled with covid for 13 months. I've kissed, I've hugged, I've talked to strangers who removed their masks when they saw me not wearing one. (I guess they thought that was OK). I've been in hospitals taking my mom for checkups after her accident in Feb. 2020, I've been out to lunch, spent time with friends, I never just stayed in, so I would guess I've probably been exposed and have been surviving. It's what people used to do before vaccines. Your body will build up it's own immunities to covid or anything else over a period of time by just living in world filled with it.
 
JonDouglas said:
The only time I've worn a mask is when it was required to enter a store and I get out a lot. It is good to remember that the 10 states with early, mandatory masking had more deaths per capita than the 10 states where masking wasn't mandatory. That said, if your immune system isn't up to snuff, do take all the recommended procedures.
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Good point and it continues to be true. Texas repealed their mandate last month and opened at 100% capacity and have reported the lowest numbers in 9 months. Mississippi did the same and Alabama got rid of their mandate today. South Dakota with no mask mandate is doing better than North Dakota. While Michigan who has a mandate is in a surge. My state is doing okay but since we've had a mask mandate for a year, we should be doing better than Texas but we're not!

I think the experts are overlooking the importance of mental health when dealing with covid. Psychology is a valid science and it tells us there IS a connection between a person's emotional state and their physical health. If a person is oppressed, deprived, unhappy, distressed, their physical health can suffer. Make those conditions chronic and a person could become ill from it.

This might explain in part why states with no mandates are doing better now than those with the most intense restrictions. Civil liberties are important health and human beings feel most relieved and stress free when given options, not mandates.
 
win231 said:
I don't think anyone who reaches 60 years or over has no health issues. Some known & some unknown.
I've had a bad reaction to an antibiotic that could have killed me - after taking it previously with no problem. That's why drugs & vaccines are "Rolling The dice." You have to decide if it's worth the risk, & whether it protects. But those who chastise others who decide not to get a vaccine are fools.
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I think one of the reasons for health issues 60 years and over are due to several medications they are on... JMO My sister's husband is 72 years old and not on any medication and no health issues as far as I know. My sister is 66 and no health issues. I am 61 and do not claim any health issues. However, as you stated, if I have health issues, it is unknown to me. The doctors can tell us anything but do they REALLY know????? I agree.. we all do what is right for US. Don't chastise me for getting or not getting the vaccine.
 
chic said:
Good point and it continues to be true. Texas repealed their mandate last month and opened at 100% capacity and have reported the lowest numbers in 9 months. Mississippi did the same and Alabama got rid of their mandate today. South Dakota with no mask mandate is doing better than North Dakota. While Michigan who has a mandate is in a surge. My state is doing okay but since we've had a mask mandate for a year, we should be doing better than Texas but we're not!

I think the experts are overlooking the importance of mental health when dealing with covid. Psychology is a valid science and it tells us there IS a connection between a person's emotional state and their physical health. If a person is oppressed, deprived, unhappy, distressed, their physical health can suffer. Make those conditions chronic and a person could become ill from it.

This might explain in part why states with no mandates are doing better now than those with the most intense restrictions. Civil liberties are important health and human beings feel most relieved and stress free when given options, not mandates.
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That and somebody reputable should take a hard look at the utility and potential ill-affects of using masks. Prolonged mask use has been studied in the medical profession and the results can be awful.

Prolonged use of N95 and surgical masks causes physical adverse effects such as headaches, difficulty breathing, acne, skin breakdown, rashes, and impaired cognition. It also interferes with vision, communication, and thermal equilibrium. Source: Journal Of Infectious Diseases and Epidemiology.​
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You have to wonder how masking affects those who're already distressed with mental health issues.
 
chic said:
Everybody has been exposed to some degree just by living in a world filled with covid for 13 months. I've kissed, I've hugged, I've talked to strangers who removed their masks when they saw me not wearing one. (I guess they thought that was OK). I've been in hospitals taking my mom for checkups after her accident in Feb. 2020, I've been out to lunch, spent time with friends, I never just stayed in, so I would guess I've probably been exposed and have been surviving. It's what people used to do before vaccines. Your body will build up it's own immunities to covid or anything else over a period of time by just living in world filled with it.
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chic said:
Everybody has been exposed to some degree just by living in a world filled with covid for 13 months. I've kissed, I've hugged, I've talked to strangers who removed their masks when they saw me not wearing one. (I guess they thought that was OK). I've been in hospitals taking my mom for checkups after her accident in Feb. 2020, I've been out to lunch, spent time with friends, I never just stayed in, so I would guess I've probably been exposed and have been surviving. It's what people used to do before vaccines. Your body will build up it's own immunities to covid or anything else over a period of time by just living in world filled with it.
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I soooooo agree. I am not a homebody. I stay in but I also go out once in a while. My hubby and I go out to eat, I go out to lunch with my daughter, I visit family, etc. . Yes, our bodies are AMAZING...it does build up its own immunities to covid or anything else. My body lets me know that it needs and rejects what it don't. It let me know years ago, the Flu vaccine was not for me. I listened and have not had the flu vaccine in over 30 years and have not caught the Flu. My body has fought off so many invaders.. I had a good body, it does me good. It's telling me.. think long and hard about getting the C vaccine.. I am listening.
 
JonDouglas said:
That and somebody reputable should take a hard look at the utility and potential ill-affects of using masks. Prolonged mask use has been studied in the medical profession and the results can be awful.

Prolonged use of N95 and surgical masks causes physical adverse effects such as headaches, difficulty breathing, acne, skin breakdown, rashes, and impaired cognition. It also interferes with vision, communication, and thermal equilibrium. Source: Journal Of Infectious Diseases and Epidemiology.​
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You have to wonder how masking affects those who're already distressed with mental health issues.
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I sooooo agree. When I enter a store, etc. that require a mask, I cannot wait to get outside and take it off. It's like damn if we do, damn if we don't. However, I do believe mask will not be mandatory soon.
 
I don’t mind wearing the mask at all. In fact, I’ve gotten used to it however I’m not employed where I have to wear one day in , day out so I consider myself lucky in that I rarely have to wear one. Wearing one continuously would seem unhealthy both physically and mentally.
I feel really bad for these types, young and old.
 
To be honest I don't know what the heck is going on. My husband I both got vaccinated. My daughter, her husband, and my granddaughter, My oldest grandson is fighting it now. I have a nephew who is in his 60's. He lives in Georgia and has been in the hospital since November because he caught the covid. He has been on ventilators many times, needed a double lung transplant. Because of all that is going on we felt it would be better to get vaccinated,
 
I feel like the news reporting every person who died after being vaccinated, makes the vaccine appear more dangerous than it is. When millions of people are getting vaccinated, there are just randomly going to be lots of people who die. I had a coworker who was approx 40 yrs old and one Christmas after his kids (both younger than elementary school) opened presents he didn't feel good and went upstairs to the bedroom. When his wife checked on him 5 minutes later he was dead. And this happened decades before covid, so I learned that shocking unexpected deaths even among relatively young people DO happen. Another coworker even younger unexpectedly died once (decades ago) too.

I am glad of course that they are investigating all the deaths, and it is concerning that they are talking about relatively young women having blood clots after having been vaccinated. But that is also the same people who might be on birth control pills, and the rate for getting clots is about 0.3% to 1% over 10 years for a woman on the pill (and this is also described as 'rare'), and that doesn't stop many women from being on the pill at some point in their life.

Anyway, it seems very irresponsible when people try to frighten people away from getting vaccinated. I thought when people in Africa wouldn't get the polio vaccine because of a belief that America put anti-fertility chemicals in it, that they must have been very uneducated people, but after reading all these opinions here about the covid vaccine, I wonder if there is a normal personality type that enjoys thinking they are being lied to and tricked and feel good about themselves for not believing information. There is a lot of bad and wrong info but it seems so self-evident and logical to assign more weight to experts in infectious diseases.

I'm not sure about vaccine passports but I would much prefer to go on a plane or a cruise that required them. I don't see how it is different than countries that require Yellow Fever vaccinations to enter their country. And in my state if someone has TB they can be thrown in jail if they don't get treatment. I am super glad of all the people (including myself not that I had any personal choice in the matter) who got smallpox vaccinations which allowed that disease to be wiped out, and all the people who have gotten polio vaccine that is making that a very small threat and giving hope of wiping it out. And all the people who get flu vaccinations which shrinks the spread of flu (my cousin died of the flu many years ago).

And I hope 70+% of people get Covid vaccinations so we can reduce not only the current pandemic, but also decrease the chances of a bad variant. I totally support people who can't get the vaccine for health reasons, but people who refuse it due to unwillingness are to me like people who skip out of taxes, they will benefit from other people shouldering the responsibility.
 
"I wonder if there is a normal personality type that enjoys thinking they are being lied to and tricked and feel good about themselves for not believing information." :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Becky1951 said:
"I wonder if there is a normal personality type that enjoys thinking they are being lied to and tricked and feel good about themselves for not believing information." :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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The reason I disbelieve is because we were lied to from the start about what was going to happen. In the U.S. we were told stay in for four weeks, two covid cycles, and we'll return to normal after that and we believed it. In the U.K. they were told only 3 weeks. Now they want to restore the freedoms they took but only in exchange for being vaccinated with a vaccine unlike any other that I've ever taken before so while I can't speak for anyone else's reasons to be suspicious here, my own are based solely on my experience as a resident of the USA.
 

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