The Derek Chauvin Trial

From the Wikipedia: "he had entered an apartment by impersonating a water department worker and barging in with five other men, then held a pistol to a woman's stomach and searched for items to steal. Floyd was arrested three months later during a traffic stop and a 7-year-old victim of the robbery identified him from a photo array"

I hadn't known a seven year old had witnessed that home invasion and watched his mother held at gun point by Floyd. That must be a nightmare that never goes away -- and Gianna's mother always talks about how her daughter wont have her father to "walk her down the aisle." For that sob story she made more money on her go-fund-me page than anyone ever before, I read 17 million, and that's apart from the 27 million.
 

Gianna's mother always talks about how her daughter wont have her father to "walk her down the aisle."

If Gianna stays in that "Absentee Father, Baby-Daddy" culture, she won't be walking down any aisles.

I hope, with all their millions, she will be led to a good education, as with the other children of George Floyd.
 

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Della said:
From the Wikipedia: "he had entered an apartment by impersonating a water department worker and barging in with five other men, then held a pistol to a woman's stomach and searched for items to steal. Floyd was arrested three months later during a traffic stop and a 7-year-old victim of the robbery identified him from a photo array"

I hadn't known a seven year old had witnessed that home invasion and watched his mother held at gun point by Floyd. That must be a nightmare that never goes away -- and Gianna's mother always talks about how her daughter wont have her father to "walk her down the aisle." For that sob story she made more money on her go-fund-me page than anyone ever before, I read 17 million, and that's apart from the 27 million.
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There're mixed feelings regarding Derek Chauvin's verdict. https://www.yappasailing.com/2021/04/they-want-revolution.html
 
JimBob1952 said:
Oh please. I'm sorry George Floyd died but he had five children "without benefit of clergy" that he didn't care a damn about. His 22 year old son hasn't seen him since he was four or five years old.

There is a big, unspoken taboo against criticizing the culture that produces so many George Floyds. There was nothing admirable about him as a person.
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If you can't write something intelligent...please do not respond to my posts. It matters not to a child whether there is anything "admirable" about their father. What the hell is "without benefit of clergy" got to do with it. A lot of white people also have children with several fathers or mothers!!!
To a child, a father is a father and loved!
 
fmdog44 said:
Since his conviction there have been two incidents of police killing blacks and I hear many say things will now change. Really??
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The fact that police killed 2 people who happened to be black means nothing. I'm sure you're aware of the importance of details.
 
Della said:
From the Wikipedia: "he had entered an apartment by impersonating a water department worker and barging in with five other men, then held a pistol to a woman's stomach and searched for items to steal. Floyd was arrested three months later during a traffic stop and a 7-year-old victim of the robbery identified him from a photo array"

I hadn't known a seven year old had witnessed that home invasion and watched his mother held at gun point by Floyd. That must be a nightmare that never goes away -- and Gianna's mother always talks about how her daughter wont have her father to "walk her down the aisle." For that sob story she made more money on her go-fund-me page than anyone ever before, I read 17 million, and that's apart from the 27 million.
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Most individuals police officers interact with are not decent people.
But think about this:
Nothing Floyd did was as bad as what Chauvin did.
Of the two, which one is the professional who swore an oath to uphold the law?
 
win231 said:
Of the two, which one is the professional who swore an oath to uphold the law?
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Chauvin is, and "upholding the law" is exactly what he was trying to do that day. The dispatcher told him to go to 38th and Chicago and help two rookies bring in a man charged with forgery. There followed a 25 minute struggle with Floyd resisting every step of the way and in classic "boy hollering wolf" pattern he was claiming he couldn't breathe while still standing beside his car so naturally he wouldn't be believed later.

Floyd's past of armed robbery would probably have been known to them, which is why Lane drew his gun when he approached Floyd's vehicle, and they were being more cautious than usual. By the time Floyd stopped struggling they would have all been exhausted -- and we don't know all the other calls they had been on that day.

It's my opinion that Chauvin is guilty of manslaughter based on the last 5 or 6 minutes when Floyd quit talking and struggling, but lets not forget what led up to that and Floyd's own part in what happened. Even that little girl witness knew that if you break the law the police will come and "mess with you."

Ruthanne said:
So George Floyd wasn't perfect--well who on this Earth is? Everyone makes mistakes in life! As it's been said who is without sin may cast the first stone.
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Yet, there seems to be an enormous angry mob wanting to stone Chauvin to death for his mistake.
 
First of all, Snopes is not the most objective of facts and that is a fact. Secondly, it is not only the past arrest records of blacks that are examined in cases of this nature. The media, as does Snopes, fail to point out this matter. Snopes is as accurate as Wikipedia. Further research into each individual situation and case is the fair way to assess what we read in the news or hear on radio and T.V. That is if one is even interested.
 
Lewkat said:
First of all, Snopes is not the most objective of facts and that is a fact. Secondly, it is not only the past arrest records of blacks that are examined in cases of this nature. The media, as does Snopes, fail to point out this matter. Snopes is as accurate as Wikipedia. Further research into each individual situation and case is the fair way to assess what we read in the news or hear on radio and T.V. That is if one is even interested.
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I think you'll find Snopes if innacurate cannot be compared to Wikipedia in that matter...
 
I can't speak for others...however, I will not shut my eyes to the criminal behaviour of Floyd. He was no angel!! The important thing here is, the police are there to uphold the law, to show a fine example, to exercise restraint. If we do not have that, what do we have?

It's like mouthing the commandment... "thou shalt not kill" and straightaway going out and killing someone.
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Wikipedia is variable, depending on the quality of knowledge, research, and writing of the author(s) of a given article. I don't know anything about Snopes. When doing any research, it is best to not rely on a single source, but instead to seek out known quality resources and cross-check these. That should have been one of the things we learned in school somewhere along the line between grade school and college.

Tony
 
tbeltrans said:
Wikipedia is variable, depending on the quality of knowledge, research, and writing of the author(s) of a given article. I don't know anything about Snopes. When doing any research, it is best to not rely on a single source, but instead to seek out known quality resources and cross-check these. That should have been one of the things we learned in school somewhere along the line between grade school and college.

Tony
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Exactly , and that's what I do....I never rely on a single source, and if anyone takes the time to read the link to snopes they will see that whether ''true'' or not... it's comprehensive regarding GF>..
 
Dana said:
I can't speak for others...however, I will not shut my eyes to the criminal behaviour of Floyd. He was no angel!! The important thing here is, the police are there to uphold the law, to show a fine example, to exercise restraint. If we do not have that, what do we have?

It's like mouthing the commandment... "thou shalt not kill" and straightaway going out and killing someone.
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By your own criteria, Derek Chauvin is Guilty of not upholding those principles. It has nothing to do with the quality of the person he was dealing with; it was his job to deal. He failed. He's paying the price for his failure.
 
hollydolly said:
Exactly , and that's what I do....I never rely on a single source, and if anyone takes the time to read the link to snopes they will see that whether ''true'' or not... it's comprehensive regarding GF>..
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The word "research" is often tossed around in a variety of contexts so as to become almost meaningless these days, especially in forums. This is not at all a comment about hollydolly, but instead just a general observation in a continuing conversation.

True research is a very careful, meticulous, and time consuming effort if done properly with the expectation of solid results. In guitar forums, I often see posts in which somebody is doing "research", when all it amounts to is trying a few guitars. Other times in other situations, the so-called "research" is little more than listening to, or reading, hearsay. The running joke, which is unfortunately often the case, is that of "I read it on the internet so it must be true".

There was a time (and hopefully still is) when magazines, newspapers, radio, and TV news outlets had editors who were responsible for vetting news reports for accuracy, and especially to insure that the report could hold up in court if challenged. On the internet, anybody can be whatever s/he wants and nobody is the wiser. Opinions are often stated as "fact", and "fact" often can consists of little more than hearsay. Forums are particularly prone to this sort of behavior.

Tony
 
tbeltrans said:
The word "research" is often tossed around in a variety of contexts so as to become almost meaningless these days, especially in forums. This is not at all a comment about hollydolly, but instead just a general observation in a continuing conversation.

True research is a very careful, meticulous, and time consuming effort if done properly with the expectation of solid results. In guitar forums, I often see posts in which somebody is doing "research", when all it amounts to is trying a few guitars. Other times in other situations, the so-called "research" is little more than listening to, or reading, hearsay. The running joke, which is unfortunately often the case, is that of "I read it on the internet so it must be true".

There was a time (and hopefully still is) when magazines, newspapers, radio, and TV news outlets had editors who were responsible for vetting news reports for accuracy, and especially to insure that the report could hold up in court if challenged. On the internet, anybody can be whatever s/he wants and nobody is the wiser. Opinions are often stated as "fact", and "fact" often can consists of little more than hearsay. Forums are particularly prone to this sort of behavior.

Tony
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No-no...I didn't take it as comment with regard to me..

yes indeed I know the value of research.. it was my job within Film & TV most of my adult life...(y)
 
Lewkat said:
Secondly, it is not only the past arrest records of blacks that are examined in cases of this nature.
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Exactly, from the first, people have tried to bring race into this and there is not one iota of evidence that Chauvin is racist or treated anyone differently because of their race. Police kill around 1000 people per year, most of them white. I know that per population they kill a larger percentage of black people, but they encounter more black people on police calls and black people commit over 50% of homicides*. One thing is certain those people who say, "This would never have happened to a white person," are just wrong. Last year police killed almost 500 white people.

*There are many sociological reasons for this, poverty, joblessness, lack of fathers in the home, are all more likely in black lives. Maybe instead of blaming the police for everything, we should be looking at ways to solve some of those problems.
 
Pepper said:
By your own criteria, Derek Chauvin is Guilty of not upholding those principles. It has nothing to do with the quality of the person he was dealing with; it was his job to deal. He failed. He's paying the price for his failure.
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Yes...Chauvin did not uphold the values...we should be able to rely on our lawmakers to do the right thing. Even a rat does not deserve to be killed in a cruel manner.
 

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