The Derek Chauvin Trial

Chauvin accepted his fate calmly and respectfully towards authorities. He's facing a minimum of 15 years in confinement where there's no privacy, whatsoever, and every day, somebody is going to try to kill him. I just couldn't fathom that prospect. They would have to drag me out of there, kicking and screaming.

Then again, never in a million years would I do what he did. I feel bad when a mouse gets in the house and I have to kill it. I'd like to think that if I ever witnessed a cop murdering someone, I'd intervene. I'm pretty sure I would. I've stepped into several situations where my safety could have been in jeopardy. It's just a natural instinct.
 

Irwin said:
Chauvin accepted his fate calmly and respectfully towards authorities. He's facing a minimum of 15 years in confinement where there's no privacy, whatsoever, and every day, somebody is going to try to kill him. I just couldn't fathom that prospect. They would have to drag me out of there, kicking and screaming.

Then again, never in a million years would I do what he did. I feel bad when a mouse gets in the house and I have to kill it. I'd like to think that if I ever witnessed a cop murdering someone, I'd intervene. I'm pretty sure I would. I've stepped into several situations where my safety could have been in jeopardy. It's just a natural instinct.
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This world needs more people like yourself and my husband, Irwin.
 
It appears justice was done, or I hope (and believe) it was anyway. A unanimous verdict on all counts in just 8 hours, the evidence the jury saw must have been quite convincing.

Now lets learn from it, and give our police better training, leadership, and closer supervision. I do not want to make their jobs or lives harder or more dangerous, but I sure don't want to see this kind of thing happen again...
 
Alligatorob said:
It appears justice was done, or I hope (and believe) it was anyway. A unanimous verdict on all counts in just 8 hours, the evidence the jury saw must have been quite convincing.

Now lets learn from it, and give our police better training, leadership, and closer supervision. I do not want to make their jobs or lives harder or more dangerous, but I sure don't want to see this kind of thing happen again...
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It will. The Code of Silence is alive & well. Keep in mind that if not for video, this case would have never been tried. And neither would the many other cases of police abuse. Before video, cops would just say, "He resisted arrest" or "He reached in his waistband."
When cops don't know they're being taped, they'll kill someone, then other officers will arrive & plant evidence to justify it. Like these cops:
You might be wondering why officers will fire so many times in these situations. When their actions are not justified, they have to make sure the only witness (the victim) can't testify.
 
Derek Chauvin was last night taken to a maximum security prison and placed on suicide watch after being found guilty on all three counts of murder and manslaughter in the death of George Floyd.

Chauvin was led away in handcuffs as Judge Cahill immediately revoked his bail pending sentencing and dispatched him to Oak Park Heights, Minnesota's only maximum security prison.

The 45-year-old faces a minimum sentence of 12.5 years and maximum of 40 years if he serves terms for each charge concurrently. If served consecutively, Chauvin faces between 29 and 75 years.

No prisoner has ever escaped from Oak Park Heights which houses around 500 of the most dangerous inmates in the country, 25 miles east of Minneapolis, on the border with Wisconsin.

Jim Bruton, former warden of Oak Park Heights, described in his 2004 book about the prison how the hierarchy among inmates was determined by the crime committed. At the top of the scale are those who have killed a law enforcement officer. At the bottom are sex offenders, with child molesters considered the lowest of the low.

This hierarchy, coupled with Chauvin's infamy as a police officer, means he will undoubtedly require bolstered protection and constant monitoring.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...mum-security-prison-placed-suicide-watch.html
 
hollydolly said:
Well yes that also could have been a reason, but if she'd stayed married to him surely she would still be entitled to half his pension and their homes...

I am shocked tho' to read that he will potentially receive 50k of taxpayers money in the form of a pension every year. This is a man who is younger than my daughter, and a long way from retirement age

https://www.newsweek.com/derek-chau...ep-his-pension-despite-guilty-verdict-1585175
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This is why municipalities and some states like Illinois are going bankrupt. Public unions negotiate exorbitant pensions and payments come due many years down the line.
 
Dana said:
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Justice has been done. Litte Gianna Floyd will grow up knowing that her Daddy did not die in vain.

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Oh please. I'm sorry George Floyd died but he had five children "without benefit of clergy" that he didn't care a damn about. His 22 year old son hasn't seen him since he was four or five years old.

There is a big, unspoken taboo against criticizing the culture that produces so many George Floyds. There was nothing admirable about him as a person.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Oh please. I'm sorry George Floyd died but he had five children "without benefit of clergy" that he didn't care a damn about. His 22 year old son hasn't seen him since he was four or five years old.

There is a big, unspoken taboo against criticizing the culture that produces so many George Floyds. There was nothing admirable about him as a person.
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Quite true. There was also nothing admirable about Rodney King or the other victims of police abuse. They usually have extensive criminal histories.
But we expect criminals to commit crimes. We don't expect professional police officers to commit worse crimes than the people they arrest.
And when police do this, they're rewarding crime by making millionaires out of criminals. If they had just arrested Rodney King, it would have been his third strike & he would have gone to prison for a long time. Instead, they got him $3.8 million.
 
JimBob1952 said:
This is precedent setting in that a policeman was tried and convicted for his actions, with other cops and the chief of police testifying against him. All to the good if it helps keeps police within the boundaries of the law and of established procedures.
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Everyone's primary instinct is self survival including cops, and I would not be surprised if the outcome of the trial affects the response of the police when it comes to black (hostile) neighborhoods, like taking forever and a day to respond hoping that the action is over when they get there, and it's just a matter of taking statements. I would not blame them to tell you the truth.
 
win231 said:
Quite true. There was also nothing admirable about Rodney King or the other victims of police abuse. They usually have extensive criminal histories.
But we expect criminals to commit crimes. We don't expect professional police officers to commit worse crimes than the people they arrest.
And when police do this, they're rewarding crime by making millionaires out of criminals. If they had just arrested Rodney King, it would have been his third strike & he would have gone to prison for a long time. Instead, they got him $3.8 million.
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"And when police do this, they're rewarding crime by making millionaires out of criminals. If they had just arrested Rodney King, it would have been his third strike & he would have gone to prison for a long time. Instead, they got him $3.8 million."

Hard to argue that one.

But also I maintain that it all starts with the criminals themselves.........First & foremost, do not commit crime. Second, if they must ? When confronted by the police to be arrested ...... do not resist/fight @ that time. Succumb to the arrest & fight it out in court.

If those two very simple things were followed, all of this would go away, and it all falls on the shoulders of the criminals .
 
I'm sorry this ever happened and and that people treat other's this way. George Floyd was acting out at his arrest but there were plenty of cops there to deal with him and to use some de-escalation tactics. I think the verdict was the right one.

As far as his children go, I'm speaking as an adult child with basically two dead beat dads. A dead beat bio dad and a step dad who took care of us financially but enabled and never protected us from our mother's abuse. It may take these children years and years, but they may process this some day and ask 'why was I not more important, why didn't you care more about me, when was I ever a priority.'

Maybe not but I know it's how I finally processed it.
 
Chauvin continued to kneel on the neck of a corpse for an additional three minutes. He was all set to plead to 3rd degree murder, so I don't think the guy was somehow railroaded. Nor do I buy into the conspiracy nonsense surrounding this case. This was the case of a cop, who killed a guy, in front witnesses, and a host of cameras. He is going to prison for that crime, as do all convicted felons. And as a felon, he may face unfriendly foes in prison, as most felons do. This was not an issue of being surprised, by an armed suspect, and feared for his life. This was a deliberate, intentional act of murder.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Oh please. I'm sorry George Floyd died but he had five children "without benefit of clergy" that he didn't care a damn about. His 22 year old son hasn't seen him since he was four or five years old.

There is a big, unspoken taboo against criticizing the culture that produces so many George Floyds. There was nothing admirable about him as a person.
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In the few pictures of him with Gianna, she appears to be about one year old. When she and her mother were making the news show rounds she was never able to answer any questions like "What did you like to do with your Daddy?" I don't think she had seen him since she was a baby.
 
Irwin said:
Some of the comments in this thread caused me to read a bit about George Floyd. He actually had a fairly impressive life but was also involved in some serious criminal activity. That's what poverty can do to you. Check this out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd
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Very interesting.

I feel it's more like drug addiction than poverty that drove him. He was well able to work and did, but he "lost" jobs. Had a sports scholarship but dropped out. He was a thief, yes.
 

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