Before anyone else takes the shot

"less nonsense being invented and spread around, to try to scare people away from the vaccine"

What's being invented? The deaths from the vaccine? People having to be treated for serious blood clots? How do you know for certain any adverse information regarding the vaccine is invented?

Who is trying to scare people?
 

Lots of fear mongering in this thread. Here's an idea - if you think it is a bad idea, don't get the shot, and if you think it is a good idea, then get the shot. Most of us don't need anyone on here to "educate" us about the risks and benefits and all of us have access to the same online information, and can digest it as we see fit.

YMMV
 
Lots of fear mongering in this thread. Here's an idea - if you think it is a bad idea, don't get the shot, and if you think it is a good idea, then get the shot. Most of us don't need anyone on here to "educate" us about the risks and benefits and all of us have access to the same online information, and can digest it as we see fit.

YMMV
I agree 100%, anyone wanting the vaccine should get it, those
not wanting it or waiting should do so as they wish.

But why is posting an article that has any kind of negative information regarding the vaccine "fear mongering?"

"Most of us don't need anyone on here to "educate" us about the risks and benefits and all of us have access to the same online information, and can digest it as we see fit."

Then why are there so many articles posted here regarding the vaccine?

Is it only ok to post positive information regarding the vaccine? Seems a bit one sided IMO.
 

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I never see you guys post anything except bad stuff. You don't ever see anything but that anywhere?

I just finished reading an article about how desperate the people in India are to get some medical help with the wave of Covid that is raging all over that country. There is a shortage of medical supplies, particularly oxygen, and even a shortage of beds. Many of the deaths have taken place right outside of the hospitals, as they didn't have room for any more patients. Desperately sick people and their families are running around from hospital to hospital, trying to find a bed and some medical treatment for their loved one. The article told about several people who heartbreakingly died of Covid, gasping for breath, when they could have been saved if there had only been enough oxygen. Most of those patients were young, or youngish, people; it showed one man in his 40's, posing with his three little children. He was a big, strapping-looking fellow. He died because his family could not find any oxygen for him, after paying a fortune for an oxygen tank to use at home.

They do have the vaccine, but are slow and disorganized about getting it distributed to people. And for the very sick people described in this article, the vaccine would have been too late anyway.

Maybe if people in this country heard more stories about the hardships in other parts of the world, there would be less nonsense being invented and spread around, to try to scare people away from the vaccine that we are fortunate enough to be able to get. Most of us don't realize how lucky we are!
It isn't as simple as a lack of vaccines.
Third-World Countries where poverty is common & clean water & decent nutrition is uncommon always have higher mortality rates from all diseases. Such living places a burden on the immune system & makes death from survivable disease much more likely.
 
I agree 100%, anyone wanting the vaccine should get it, those
not wanting it or waiting should do so as they wish.

But why is posting an article that has any kind of negative information regarding the vaccine "fear mongering?"
Because such information shakes their confidence they'd like to have in the vaccine. And their confidence is already shaky to begin with, otherwise it wouldn't bother them.
When you tell people what they don't want to hear, they often react with insults.
 
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Maybe if people in this country heard more stories about the hardships in other parts of the world, ...
I don't know how I could possibly hear more than I already know about the suffering of people that is happening in other places, it's sad but it isn't my fault and I am not going on a guilt trip about it for anybody; hearing about it a million more times isn't going to help anything here in the U S either. People in India are dying from WUHAN / COVID because they are a poor third world country with a lack of every necessity and service needed for a people to be healthy, NOT because they didn't wear their mask or get the WUHAN vaccine....

..... there would be less nonsense being invented and spread around, to try to scare people away from the vaccine that we are fortunate enough to be able to get.

What in the world are you talking about ? I pay pretty close attention to things and I see a LOT more nonsense and I mean a LOT from those who are trying to scare people into GETTING the vaccine, and belittling anyone that has a reason for not wanting it than the other way around. There's no shortage of evidence for that on this forum just as a small example..
 
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My feeling is that any adult who has an opportunity to get the COVID vaccine or by extension any other vaccine and refuses it for any but the most serious medically accepted health conditions should be denied treatment if they do get the disease.
They are tacitly counting on the idea that if they do get sick they will be cared for no matter what happens. Never mind the unnecessary pressure on already overstretched healthcare providers. They are choosing to gamble not only with their own lives but with others’ as well.
 
"They are choosing to gamble not only with their own lives but with others’ as well."

As per my last Dr's visit, mutually agreed due to health reasons I should not get the vaccine.

But I'm curious to know how I'm a gamble to others?
I follow all other guidelines, I don't really go anywhere. If by chance I were to run into someone vaccinated, they are protected right? If I run into someone who isn't going to be vaccinated, they know the risks just as much as anyone else who has decided to not be vaccinated.
 
I just finished reading an article about how desperate the people in India are to get some medical help with the wave of Covid that is raging all over that country. There is a shortage of medical supplies, particularly oxygen, and even a shortage of beds. Many of the deaths have taken place right outside of the hospitals, as they didn't have room for any more patients. Desperately sick people and their families are running around from hospital to hospital, trying to find a bed and some medical treatment for their loved one.

Why people are dying in India. <--
Deaths in India before and after the vaccinations. <--
Woman in India showing what is actually happening <-- plus discussion.
India gas leak, reported in New York Post as a COVID surge swallowing people. <--
 
I agree 100%, anyone wanting the vaccine should get it, those
not wanting it or waiting should do so as they wish.

But why is posting an article that has any kind of negative information regarding the vaccine "fear mongering?"

"Most of us don't need anyone on here to "educate" us about the risks and benefits and all of us have access to the same online information, and can digest it as we see fit."

Then why are there so many articles posted here regarding the vaccine?

Is it only ok to post positive information regarding the vaccine? Seems a bit one sided IMO.
I like seeing both pro and con vaccine articles. I can't catch every article out there so appreciate people posting ones they find interesting
 
I have reservations about the vaccine but still decided to get it. I can understand why others would choose not to get it. I'm worried about long term effects but at 63, what is long term? As I've posted elsewhere my nephew's MIL and FIL died of covid within 5 days of each other last week. They were not vaccinated for some reason. Would they trade the chance of long term effects to be alive now? I think they would and I know they're kids would.
So sorry to hear of your loss. Did they have underlying conditions? It is interesting how some people recover and some don't. My 2nd mom "allegedly" had Covid - she is 83 yrs old - stayed in the hospital for about a month. However, she had underlying conditions..which was not due to COVID. She said she do not want the vaccine.
 
I agree 100%, anyone wanting the vaccine should get it, those
not wanting it or waiting should do so as they wish.

But why is posting an article that has any kind of negative information regarding the vaccine "fear mongering?"

"Most of us don't need anyone on here to "educate" us about the risks and benefits and all of us have access to the same online information, and can digest it as we see fit."

Then why are there so many articles posted here regarding the vaccine?

Is it only ok to post positive information regarding the vaccine? Seems a bit one sided IMO.
All info on the vaccine is good info....JMO. I found out sooo much info but will not post it on this site or anywhere else. I don't think info is "fear mongering".. everyone have their own theory and opinions.
 
"They are choosing to gamble not only with their own lives but with others’ as well."

As per my last Dr's visit, mutually agreed due to health reasons I should not get the vaccine.

But I'm curious to know how I'm a gamble to others?
I follow all other guidelines, I don't really go anywhere. If by chance I were to run into someone vaccinated, they are protected right? If I run into someone who isn't going to be vaccinated, they know the risks just as much as anyone else who has decided to not be vaccinated.
Great post. I was advised as well.. due to health reasons I was told "better safe than sorry" not to take the vaccine.
 
My feeling is that any adult who has an opportunity to get the COVID vaccine or by extension any other vaccine and refuses it for any but the most serious medically accepted health conditions should be denied treatment if they do get the disease.
They are tacitly counting on the idea that if they do get sick they will be cared for no matter what happens. Never mind the unnecessary pressure on already overstretched healthcare providers. They are choosing to gamble not only with their own lives but with others’ as well.
:cautious:o_O:unsure: My 2nd mom did not have the vaccine. She is 83 years old and "allegedly" had COVID. She stayed in the hospital for about a month.. she fought it and is doing ok.. She had underlying conditions which had nothing to do with COVID. Some people that are hospitalized has underlying conditions which has NOTHING to do with COVID so they should not be treated because they did not have the Covid shot?????:(:cry:
 
What I am finding difficult to understand is... if one's doctor advises you against having the vaccine, then you have good reason not to get it.

However, why is it necessary to post negative articles and make negative comments. Is this because one's conscience is rearing its head? Is this a deceitful effort to dissuade others from getting the vaccine?
 
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I don't know how I could possibly hear more than I already know about the suffering of people that is happening in other places, it's sad but it isn't my fault and I am not going on a guilt trip about it for anybody; hearing about it a million more times isn't going to help anything here in the U S either. People in India are dying from WUHAN / COVID because they are a poor third world country with a lack of every necessity and service needed for a people to be healthy, NOT because they didn't wear their mask or get the WUHAN vaccine....



What in the world are you talking about ? I pay pretty close attention to things and I see a LOT more nonsense and I mean a LOT from those who are trying to scare people into GETTING the vaccine, and belittling anyone that has a reason for not wanting it than the other way around. There's no shortage of evidence for that on this forum just as a small example..
GREAT POST!!!
 
Truth be told I was a bit on edge when my hubby got his 2nd shot due to an issue he had with the first shot but he chose to get the 2nd one. From all the info I came cross I did not talk him out of it.. it was his choice. So far, from the 2nd shot he is having headaches which he never get. I pray the headaches don't get worst and he has no other side effects. I feel if he did get Covid, he would have been one of the ones that would have fought through it and been ok. However, he chose the vaccine which was his choice.
 
What I am finding difficult to understand is... if one's doctor advises you against having the vaccine, then you have good reason not to get it.

However, why is it necessary to post negative articles and make negative comments. Is this because one's conscience is rearing its head? Is this a deceitful effort to dissuade others from getting the vacine?
Once again, its information. Why should only positive information be posted? Why shouldn't negative information be posted? Its a choice for everyone as to getting the vaccine or not. Its information. Just because some don't like that information doesn't mean it should be censored and omitted.

Is all the name calling and negative comments and trying to shame those not being vaccinated a deceitful effort to persuade those not getting vaccinated to get vaccinated?
 
What I am finding difficult to understand is... if one's doctor advises you against having the vaccine, then you have good reason not to get it.

However, why is it necessary to post negative articles and make negative comments. Is this because one's conscience is rearing its head? Is this a deceitful effort to dissuade others from getting the vacine?
Sharing information is not "Dissuading." That's your misinterpretation.
 
Once again, its information. Why should only positive information be posted? Why shouldn't negative information be posted? Its a choice for everyone as to getting the vaccine or not. Its information. Just because some don't like that information doesn't mean it should be censored and omitted.

Is all the name calling and negative comments and trying to shame those not being vaccinated a deceitful effort to persuade those not getting vaccinated to get vaccinated?

Becky...I did not mention your name...my post was a general one. You always jump on whatever I say and I have quite frankly, had enough, so I am now going to ignore you. No longer being able to see your posts will enhance my day.
 
Becky...I did not mention your name...my post was a general one. You always jump on whatever I say and I have quite frankly, had enough, so I am now going to ignore you. No longer being able to see your posts will enhance my day.
I'm sure it will enhance her's, too.
 
The United States remains the country with the most cases and deaths from COVID-19, at more than 32 million and 574,000 respectively.

But as vaccination efforts in the US have ramped up over the past few months, new infections — and therefore further deaths — have finally begun to slow.

The following chart shows how deaths per million people in India has increased to nearly that of the United States.

Read the rest here ….

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/india-brazil-us-turkey-mexico-covid-19-death-toll/100100020
 
After watching very high numbers of covid cases and deaths in the UK drop down to almost nothing after the vaccination, I’ve had second thoughts about this. It’s not misinformation, it’s a fact. Without realizing, I think we were becoming like the crazy anti-vaxer mob, ill-informed hysterical twits who would rather see the world revert to putting children with polio into iron lungs rather than having a vaccination for it. So I won’t be posting anything negative about any of the approved vaccines in future.
 


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