Another Dig Into The Origins Of Covid

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Investigative reporter of some note and independence, Sharyl Attkinsson has dug into the origins of covid-19 and put together a video presented HERE, noting that this site disallowed embedding the video.

You can assume the issues Attkinsson investigates are often quite controversial. All I can say is that it will take time for the fog over all this to lift. Until then, it is best to be aware, learn as much as we can, ask questions and avoid carte-blanch answers.

Who will be the first to call this post promoting a conspiracy as opposed to simply posting somebody's investigative report?
 

After the discovery that bats carry SARS/coronavirus, grant money for scientific study went toward paying locals (i.e., in South America) to spread nets across the entrances of caves so scientists could collect blood and tissue samples from captured bats. That study, and similar ones on rats and other animals, have been going on for years.

I'm not debating Attkinsson's findings, it just reminded me of the tax dollars that went into those bat nets and bat collectors. Maybe that's another trail to follow.
 
Murrmurr said:
After the discovery that bats carry SARS/coronavirus, grant money for scientific study went toward paying locals (i.e., in South America) to spread nets across the entrances of caves so scientists could collect blood and tissue samples from captured bats. That study, and similar ones on rats and other animals, have been going on for years.

I'm not debating Attkinsson's findings, it just reminded me of the tax dollars that went into those bat nets and bat collectors. Maybe that's another trail to follow.
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It would certainly seem like something that should be investigated.
 

I doubt seriously that we will ever know the full truth of just how and where this virus originated. If any governments or politicians are involved, they will be very unlikely to acknowledge the truth. All the vast majority can do is follow the recommended guidelines, get vaccinated, and hope for the best.
 
JonDouglas said:
Investigative reporter of some note and independence, Sharyl Attkinsson has dug into the origins of covid-19 and put together a video presented HERE, noting that this site disallowed embedding the video.

You can assume the issues Attkinsson investigates are often quite controversial. All I can say is that it will take time for the fog over all this to lift. Until then, it is best to be aware, learn as much as we can, ask questions and avoid carte-blanch answers.

Who will be the first to call this post promoting a conspiracy as opposed to simply posting somebody's investigative report?
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Well I guess I will be, considering Sharyl Attkinsson's fairly obvious political slant, anti-vaccine crusading, unfounded allegations against the Obama administration, accusing of spying, her never ending criticism of Clintion over the Benghazi incident, etc. Very telling.
A journalist's reputation and notoriety are clearing established by their own words, which is the medium in which they earn their living.
Attkinsson's lack of impartiality is well established, but I guess you sensed that.
 
JonDouglas said:
Investigative reporter of some note and independence, Sharyl Attkinsson has dug into the origins of covid-19 and put together a video presented HERE, noting that this site disallowed embedding the video.

You can assume the issues Attkinsson investigates are often quite controversial. All I can say is that it will take time for the fog over all this to lift. Until then, it is best to be aware, learn as much as we can, ask questions and avoid carte-blanch answers.

Who will be the first to call this post promoting a conspiracy as opposed to simply posting somebody's investigative report?
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Crimes against humanity for certain. I knew that wasn't a species to species virus and I'm just a lay person.
 
Nathan said:
Well I guess I will be, considering Sharyl Attkinsson's fairly obvious political slant, anti-vaccine crusading, unfounded allegations against the Obama administration, accusing of spying, her never ending criticism of Clintion over the Benghazi incident, etc. Very telling.
A journalist's reputation and notoriety are clearing established by their own words, which is the medium in which they earn their living.
Attkinsson's lack of impartiality is well established, but I guess you sensed that.
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Given that the greatest majority of media reporters identify with one slant and then, lo and behold, along comes someone you label as having a different slant and you suddenly think that reporter has a lack of impartiality. To me, the story, not the reporter, was the issue,
 
JonDouglas said:
Given that the greatest majority of media reporters identify with one slant and then, lo and behold, along comes someone you label as having a different slant and you suddenly think that reporter has a lack of impartiality. To me, the story, not the reporter, was the issue,
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" To me, the story, not the reporter, was the issue" I'll explain it if you want, but I'm sure you understand the connection between the reporter and the story.
 
While I'm not familiar with the journalist at all or her slant on covid, I have heard this connection between Fauci and the Wuhan lab discussed way back at the beginning of the pandemic. Anyone who backed that theory was pretty quickly silenced because it didn't fit in with the dialog the CDC was trying to promote.

Now that people are suspecting the truth on their own, it at least has become more acceptable to discuss it. I'm just grateful for that.
 
Nathan said:
" To me, the story, not the reporter, was the issue" I'll explain it if you want, but I'm sure you understand the connection between the reporter and the story.
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I understand quite well how people try to impugn the source, rather than the story, when it doesn't fit their politics (e.g., "her never ending criticism of Clintion over the Benghazi incident, etc. Very telling."). You brought politics into this. Suggest you try not let your political emotions rule over your responses. The story, not the reporter and not your politics or feelings, was/is the issue. In my opinion,m the story needs to be flushed out to the fullest, letting the chips fall where they may.
 
I may have posted it here, but there is a video of a British "60 Minutes" type show from 2015 showing Chinese labs working on a Sars virus just like in this video. Supposedly they were attempting to come up with a vaccine or cure, but who knows when it comes to China? If i can find it again, I'll post it.
 
Engineered bat virus stirs debate over risky research : Nature News & Comment

Plenty of articles about it out there now. When I first saw it there were very few. Many sites debunk it by saying it's not "literally" the exact coronavirus as Covid. And I'm sure that's true, but it shows the Chinese were working on viruses that could infect humans. And I'm happy to give them the benefit of the doubt that they weren't looking to weaponize it but looking for cures and it just leaked out. There are reports from US inspectors in the past that security ay the Wuhan lab was not up to standards.
So they were working on bat viruses that could infect humans as early as 2015. Even though those were not the same as covid AT THE TIME. Isn't entirely possible that in the next 4 years they came up with the virus that is covid? It certainly isn't a stretch to think so. And knowing they had confirmed issues with safety security isn't it very possible that it leaked out of that lab?
 
JonDouglas said:
I understand quite well how people try to impugn the source, rather than the story, when it doesn't fit their politics (e.g., "her never ending criticism of Clintion over the Benghazi incident, etc. Very telling."). You brought politics into this. Suggest you try not let your political emotions rule over your responses. The story, not the reporter and not your politics or feelings, was/is the issue. In my opinion,m the story needs to be flushed out to the fullest, letting the chips fall where they may.
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Correction: YOU brought politics into this thread, I suggest you read post #1. You seem emotional and defensive with your posts, which typically have a political spin tucked into them. That's O.K., but suggesting that somehow it's my doing won't get you anywhere.
 
Nathan said:
Correction: YOU brought politics into this thread, I suggest you read post #1. You seem emotional and defensive with your posts, which typically have a political spin tucked into them. That's O.K., but suggesting that somehow it's my doing won't get you anywhere.
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Neither I nor anyone in my office could find any mention of politics or political figures in the OP. Perhaps you could help educate us and point them out.
 
Some validation or perhaps rationalization of what Attkinsson was chasing nay be found in the MIT Technology Review.

But some fear that all the research into bat viruses may have backfired in a shocking way. These people point to a striking coincidence: the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the world epicenter of research on dangerous SARS-like bat coronaviruses, to which SARS-CoV-2 is related, is in the same city where the pandemic first broke loose. They suspect that covid-19 is the result of an accidental leak from the lab.​
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“It’s possible they caused a pandemic they were intending to prevent,” says Matthew Pottinger, a former deputy national security advisor at the White House. Pottinger, who was a journalist working in China during the original SARS outbreak, believes it is “very much possible that it did emerge from the laboratory” and that the Chinese government is loath to admit it. Pottinger says that is why Beijing’s joint research with the WHO “is completely insufficient as far as a credible investigation.”​
 
JonDouglas said:
Investigative reporter of some note and independence, Sharyl Attkinsson has dug into the origins of covid-19 and put together a video presented HERE, noting that this site disallowed embedding the video.

You can assume the issues Attkinsson investigates are often quite controversial. All I can say is that it will take time for the fog over all this to lift. Until then, it is best to be aware, learn as much as we can, ask questions and avoid carte-blanch answers.

Who will be the first to call this post promoting a conspiracy as opposed to simply posting somebody's investigative report?
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From Wikipedia:

Sharyl Attkisson (born January 26, 1961)[3] is an American journalist and television correspondent.[4][5] She hosts the Sinclair Broadcast Group TV show Full Measure with Sharyl Attkisson.[6]

Attkisson is a five-time Emmy Award winner, and a Radio Television Digital News Association (RTNDA) Edward R. Murrow Award recipient. She was formerly an investigative correspondent in the Washington bureau for CBS News and a substitute anchor for the CBS Evening News and then went to the Daily Signal, a conservative political news website that offers political commentary from a conservative perspective, and which is funded by the Heritage Foundation.[7][8]

Attkisson resigned from CBS News on March 10, 2014, after 21 years with the network. She later wrote the book Stonewalled, in which she alleged that CBS News failed to give sufficient coverage of Barack Obama controversies, such as the 2012 Benghazi attack.[9] Attkisson has received criticism for publishing stories suggesting a possible link between vaccines and autism,[10][11][12] a claim that has been rejected by the scientific community.[13]
 
Sunny said:
From Wikipedia:

Sharyl Attkisson (born January 26, 1961)[3] is an American journalist and television correspondent.[4][5] She hosts the Sinclair Broadcast Group TV show Full Measure with Sharyl Attkisson.[6]

Attkisson is a five-time Emmy Award winner, and a Radio Television Digital News Association (RTNDA) Edward R. Murrow Award recipient. She was formerly an investigative correspondent in the Washington bureau for CBS News and a substitute anchor for the CBS Evening News and then went to the Daily Signal, a conservative political news website that offers political commentary from a conservative perspective, and which is funded by the Heritage Foundation.[7][8]

Attkisson resigned from CBS News on March 10, 2014, after 21 years with the network. She later wrote the book Stonewalled, in which she alleged that CBS News failed to give sufficient coverage of Barack Obama controversies, such as the 2012 Benghazi attack.[9] Attkisson has received criticism for publishing stories suggesting a possible link between vaccines and autism,[10][11][12] a claim that has been rejected by the scientific community.[13]
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Why are some people so set on making this a story about Attkinsson? This isn't about her. It's about a story that a number of people and organizations are chasing. Check out the MIT article I referenced in my previous post.
 
I wonder how much we know about research going on in labs all over the world, involving viruses and all kinds of other "nasty" life forms? Is China the only country with labs studying viruses?

If the coronavirus accidentally escaped from a lab in China (or cave research, or whatever), I would agree that China is at fault for trying to cover it up. But that doesn't indicate any evil intent or deliberate plot. Why would any country set out to create an epidemic of a horrible disease that spreads quickly and infects the whole world, including their own country? Attempts to demonize China, and prove that it is somehow their fault, are clearly political, especially when coming from a source like Attkisson.
 
Sunny said:
Attempts to demonize China, and prove that it is somehow their fault, are clearly political, especially when coming from a source like Attkisson.
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Totally disagree. What's political about holding a country responsible for having lax enough safety measures in place that allowed a deadly virus to escape that has killed millions and then they covered it up and let it spread worldwide while using drastic mitigation procedures in their own country to control it? How is that political?
 
Oh, evil intent is alive and well, if not in the minds of the naive. We all know that the major powers are working both on bio-weapons and countermeasures, just as they worked on nuclear weapons and countermeasures (been there, done that). As for the sources of and motives for Covid-19, smart people formulate and test hypotheses and, sometimes, let Occam's Razor creep into the room. As for your stating, "a source like Attkisson" you're still trying to suggestively deflect from the story to the reporter. I suppose deflection will work on some folks around here, I am just not one of them,
 
Sunny said:
From Wikipedia:

Sharyl Attkisson (born January 26, 1961)[3] is an American journalist and television correspondent.[4][5] She hosts the Sinclair Broadcast Group TV show Full Measure with Sharyl Attkisson.[6]

Attkisson is a five-time Emmy Award winner, and a Radio Television Digital News Association (RTNDA) Edward R. Murrow Award recipient. She was formerly an investigative correspondent in the Washington bureau for CBS News and a substitute anchor for the CBS Evening News and then went to the Daily Signal, a conservative political news website that offers political commentary from a conservative perspective, and which is funded by the Heritage Foundation.[7][8]

Attkisson resigned from CBS News on March 10, 2014, after 21 years with the network. She later wrote the book Stonewalled, in which she alleged that CBS News failed to give sufficient coverage of Barack Obama controversies, such as the 2012 Benghazi attack.[9] Attkisson has received criticism for publishing stories suggesting a possible link between vaccines and autism,[10][11][12] a claim that has been rejected by the scientific community.[13]
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Sounds like a very accomplished career to me.
 
JonDouglas said:
Oh, evil intent is alive and well, if not in the minds of the naive. We all know that the major powers are working both on bio-weapons and countermeasures, just as they worked on nuclear weapons and countermeasures (been there, done that). As for the sources of and motives for Covid-19, smart people formulate and test hypotheses and, sometimes, let Occam's Razor creep into the room. As for your stating, "a source like Attkisson" you're still trying to suggestively deflect from the story to the reporter. I suppose deflection will work on some folks around here, I am just not one of them,
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lol - Sorry, but you have zero credibility in this regard, and are guilty of what you accuse others of doing, including trying to deflect. "Publish or Perish" ring a bell?

But have a nice day.
 
Buckeye said:
lol - Sorry, but you have zero credibility in this regard, and are guilty of what you accuse others of doing, including trying to deflect. "Publish or Perish" ring a bell?

But have a nice day.
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Sorry but having credibility with you or other stalkers is not high on my agenda. Best regards,
 

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