The Virus Is Not Going Away! I knew it, they knew it but did you know it?

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JonDouglas said:
Well, if people decide to act like sheep and buy into this as an ongoing thing, then it's them, not the virus, that's the problem.
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There's a big difference between acting like sheep and buying into the whole Covid thing and viewing it as something that will be ongoing, versus people like myself who are realists and know better than to be brainwashed into believing that some vaccine is going to magically set everything straight and eradicate the virus, like a lollipop handed to child who has fallen down and skinned his or her knee to help them forget about their little boo-boo and stop crying.

I am so sick and tired of reading articles and coming across comments across the net that speak of... "the sooner EVERYONE get's vaccinated, the sooner we can get back to normality".

Goodness gracious, have people really become that gullible today?
 

Aunt Marg said:
There's a big difference between acting like sheep and buying into the whole Covid thing and viewing it as something that will be ongoing, versus people like myself who are realists and know better than to be brainwashed into believing that some vaccine is going to magically set everything straight and eradicate the virus, like a lollipop handed to child who has fallen down and skinned his or her knee to help them forget about their little boo-boo and stop crying.

I am so sick and tired of reading articles and coming across comments across the net that speak of... "the sooner EVERYONE get's vaccinated, the sooner we can get back to normality".

Goodness gracious, have people really become that gullible today?
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Have people really become that gullible today? I don't think they've ever seen so much pressure and fear-peddling before and cognitive dissonance in the face of changing "reality" may explain why they don't like to be compared to sheep. Personally, I'd call them any name in the book if it would help them to think for themselves.
 
Spanish flu didn't completely go away. Neither did bubonic plague, TB, leprosy, whooping cough, measles, syphilis, or any other contageous disease you can think of, with the possible exception of smallpox. So claiming that the disease didn't "go away" certainly doesn't boost the anti-vaxxer argument. No one ever said the vaccine would completely make the disease go away.

But even if I get it (Covid) , if I have a choice between:

a. An agonizing stay in a hospital, unable to breathe, with a ventilator shoved down into my lungs, maybe in a coma for months, most likely dying, or at least being left with long-term lingering disabilities, or...

b. Getting a shot that might make me a little uncomfortable for a day or two (or might not), and knowing that I am safe from option a,

guess which one I'd pick? Well I picked it already, and it feels great to know that even if a virus manages to make its way into my body, it won't kill me.
 

Aunt Marg said:
There's a big difference between acting like sheep and buying into the whole Covid thing and viewing it as something that will be ongoing, versus people like myself who are realists and know better than to be brainwashed into believing that some vaccine is going to magically set everything straight and eradicate the virus, like a lollipop handed to child who has fallen down and skinned his or her knee to help them forget about their little boo-boo and stop crying.

I am so sick and tired of reading articles and coming across comments across the net that speak of... "the sooner EVERYONE get's vaccinated, the sooner we can get back to normality".

Goodness gracious, have people really become that gullible today?
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Well said!
And yes, I'm surprised at how many people are gullible. It's probably motivated by their fear.
 
Sunny said:
Spanish flu didn't completely go away. Neither did bubonic plague, TB, leprosy, whooping cough, measles, syphilis, or any other contageous disease you can think of, with the possible exception of smallpox. So claiming that the disease didn't "go away" certainly doesn't boost the anti-vaxxer argument. No one ever said the vaccine would completely make the disease go away.

But even if I get it, if I have a choice between:

a. An agonizing stay in a hospital, unable to breath, with a ventilator shoved down into my lungs, maybe in a coma for months, most likely dying, or at least being left with long-term lingering disabilities, or...

b. Getting a shot that might make me a little uncomfortable for a day or two (or might not), and knowing that I am safe from option a,

guess which one I'd pick? Well I picked it already, and it feels great to know that even if a virus manages to make its way into my body, it won't kill me.
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Yes, that's probably best for you but you're not everybody and this thread was not anti-vaccine. It was about the this flu variant not going away.
 
JonDouglas said:
I am not known for being delicate, prissy or politically sensitive., If you follow the herd, you act like sheep. It's reality. If you don't like what I say, you have an ignore option.
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Well I don't know about "prissy" but your sure getting pissy.

Who decides the heard mentality? How many people constitutes a heard? If you believe one part of a situation, but not all or maybe 2 of another point of that situation does that throw you into the heard? Maybe some agree with some points but not others, does that drop them into the heard?
 
Becky1951 said:
Well I don't know about "prissy" but your sure getting pissy.

Who decides the heard mentality? How many people constitutes a heard? If you believe one part of a situation, but not all or maybe 2 of another point of that situation does that throw you into the heard? Maybe some agree with some points but not others, does that drop them into the heard?
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Freedom of speech (e.g., using the word sheep in the context of a mass movement in general) is, fortunately, still viable. People in some states followed guidelines like sheep follow directioning efforts (it's an anaology, not a name calling unless you take it personally). Some in other states and places didn't and they currently appear to be better off, physically, socially, economically and mentally.
 
I think The "Sheep Mentality" & the "Herd Mentality" labels are retaliatory terms that are motivated by individuals who put down others who choose not to get vaccinated or criticize the way this is being handled (including the asinine regulations to show that they're "doing something"). They are blamed (by the ignorant) for "Spreading the virus." Fear & frustration often interfere with logic.
This virus is an opportunity for the controllers & put-down artists to come out of the woodwork & feel better about themselves.
 
win231 said:
I think The "Sheep Mentality" & the "Herd Mentality" labels are retaliatory terms that are motivated by individuals who put down others who choose not to get vaccinated or criticize the way this is being handled (including the asinine regulations to show that they're "doing something"). They are blamed (by the ignorant) for "Spreading the virus." Fear & frustration often interfere with logic.
This virus is an opportunity for the controllers & put-down artists to come out of the woodwork & feel better about themselves.
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Aside from the vaccine pro and con, I've found the words "herd" used quite a bit of late (e.g., herd immunity). I think the bigger issue is the efficacy of ongoing masking and lockdowns and how long people are going to put up with that The argument about flu vaccines isn't new..
 
Becky1951 said:
At the very beginning I hoped it would disappear like the Spanish flu did.
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It may disappear , though not completely, but how many years was the Spanish flu kicking around before it did? Without looking it up I believe it was around 3-4 years world wide. ( I may not remember this correctly --just sayin'.)
 
Aunt Marg said:
There's a big difference between acting like sheep and buying into the whole Covid thing and viewing it as something that will be ongoing, versus people like myself who are realists and know better than to be brainwashed into believing that some vaccine is going to magically set everything straight and eradicate the virus, like a lollipop handed to child who has fallen down and skinned his or her knee to help them forget about their little boo-boo and stop crying.

I am so sick and tired of reading articles and coming across comments across the net that speak of... "the sooner EVERYONE get's vaccinated, the sooner we can get back to normality".

Goodness gracious, have people really become that gullible today?
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Some of us understand that the vaccine and masks won't make this thing magically disappear. But I do believe that some people are counting on the vaccines to totally eradicate it so they can go back to normal. Then there's the crowd that says "it ends when we say it ends." To me this is very unrealistic logic that they have control over a health disaster. All any of us can really hope for is to get some sort of control over it with the safety practices in order to get things to settle down some so we can start opening back up and live. I just wonder if the masks are gonna end up having to be a permanent fixture here like they are in China.
 
JonDouglas said:
People who follow the herd are often referred to as sheep, with no disrespect to either the sheep or people who have a herd-like mentality for good or bad. It was unfortunate you took it personally to the point of having to call me out specifically. But, since you did, I called you out. Are we done know?
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I don't know...are we done know? I'm done now. šŸ˜
 
MarciKS said:
Some of us understand that the vaccine and masks won't make this thing magically disappear. But I do believe that some people are counting on the vaccines to totally eradicate it so they can go back to normal. Then there's the crowd that says "it ends when we say it ends." To me this is very unrealistic logic that they have control over a health disaster. All any of us can really hope for is to get some sort of control over it with the safety practices in order to get things to settle down some so we can start opening back up and live. I just wonder if the masks are gonna end up having to be a permanent fixture here like they are in China.
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I don't see mask wearing ever becoming a permanent thing (here in the west), but hinging ones hopes on life returning to normal account vaccinations, when our own governing parties are failing us, just makes people like me get my back up against the wall that much more.

Our governing parties, both in your country and mine, have had plenty of time to impose strict guidelines and measures, yet all I'm seeing is a flip-flop style of methodology behind the implementation of rules and guidelines, hence why repeated shutdowns have been required.

Had our governing parties got serious about this virus from the very get-go, we may have been sitting in a different position right now.
 
Aunt Marg said:
I don't see mask wearing ever becoming a permanent thing (here in the west), but hinging ones hopes on life returning to normal account vaccinations, when our own governing parties are failing us, just makes people like me get my back up against the wall that much more.

Our governing parties, both in your country and mine, have had plenty of time to impose strict guidelines and measures, yet all I'm seeing is a flip-flop style of methodology behind the implementation of rules and guidelines, hence why repeated shutdowns have been required.

Had our governing parties got serious about this virus from the very get-go, we may have been sitting in a different position right now.
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I totally agree. I will never understand why our leader was the one calling the shots in the midst of a national health crisis.
 
Nathan said:
Of course you skirted the real issue in my post, but then I really didn't expect you to acknowledge your motives.
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The only issue I got from your post was that "t was obvious from the beginning," which it wasn't to everybody. Your words, not mine.,
 
JonDouglas said:
People who follow the herd are often referred to as sheep, with no disrespect to either the sheep or people who have a herd-like mentality for good or bad. It was unfortunate you took it personally to the point of having to call me out specifically. But, since you did, I called you out. Are we done know?
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Guess you should start baa-ing, too.
Despite your steady stream of anti-vaxxing info, by your own words you got the J & J vaccine on April 7th and suffered no serious side effects. Posts #404 & #407. Meantime you're enthusiastically fanning the fears and hesitancy of folks who are afraid to be vaccinated.

https://www.seniorforums.com/thread...or-vaccination-yet.56876/page-17#post-1691601
 
StarSong said:
Guess you should start baa-ing, too.
Despite your steady stream of anti-vaxxing info, by your own words you got the J & J vaccine on April 7th and suffered no serious side effects. Posts #404 & #407. Meantime you're enthusiastically fanning the fears and hesitancy of folks who are afraid to be vaccinated.

https://www.seniorforums.com/thread...or-vaccination-yet.56876/page-17#post-1691601
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I am not an anti-vaxer. I am anti-forced vaxer. There's a difference. Let's see if you're as quick to understand that as you were to try to label me as something I am not. Also, try not to judge people who ask a lot of questions and label them as pro or anti. You've no clue.
 
JonDouglas said:
I am not an anti-vaxer. I am anti-forced vaxer. There's a difference. Let's see if you're as quick to understand that as you were to try to label me as something I am not. Also, try not to judge people who ask a lot of questions and label them as pro or anti. You've no clue.
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Your posts contain numerous clues about who you are and what your agendas are. However, I'm done interacting with you. Ignore.
 

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