Federal Indictments of George Floyd's killers

SeaBreeze said:
I agree, all those involved in Mr. Floyd's murder should be held accountable. Hopefully there will be some reform in the future to avoid any more killings like this, or at least slow them down.
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Reform on paper is only so effective. There will ALWAYS be more than enough "I am God" mentalities to make it a never ending disease infecting society. We need ROBOCOPS.
 

ohioboy said:
Reform on paper is only so effective. There will ALWAYS be more than enough "I am God" mentalities to make it a never ending disease infecting society. We need ROBOCOPS.
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Well, I'm not for robocops. :) But those with that mentality can be weeded out when they are discovered as acting officers, or when they are applying for the job. Just exposing their crimes via videos, etc. and their fellow officers stepping in to stop a murder instead of standing back and watching, is a step in the right direction. Once they know they will pay the price for their bad behavior, it should slow it down.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
I always remember the comment of a police officer, talking about crime. He was asked why he only patrol black areas of a city, He answered, "because that's where the crime is". I know my fellow Caucasians, none wear halos. But the cop's comment is you find a black, you find crime does lead to oppression of blacks, who aren't involved with crime. The police have a mind set. Probably since blacks are so often arrested for drug related offenses. No, I don't think every cop is a hooded, white supremacist, but you have ask why are so many blacks protesting bad cop behavior? What do they get about protesting? There's no money in it, you're not going to get a more lenient sentence, if you break the law........
How do you know blacks don't have a legitimate gripe about the police?
Maybe if your skin wasn't white, you could answer that? What do our fellow black SF people have to say?
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Racism is real in America...even here on SF! I've read about cops who have been found to be members of White Supremacy groups and wouldn't be suprised if the KKK is included. Cops who say Black areas are where the crimes are obviously discount all the killings by Caucasian husbands of their wives and children that have taken place in primarily White communities.

We have a list of things you can't do while Black. Drive with a broken tail light (unknowingly), drive a new car with temporary plates in the back window, work on your own lawn, watch T.V. in your house (either alone or with a child at your side), sleep in your bed at night, head up the steps of your apartment building, be an 8 year old child who's taking a nightly stroll with your father and it goes on and on! In each of these incidences, innocent people were shot and killed by police officers (yes...the 8 year old was killed, not his father). In most of the Killer Kop incidences, the cops go free or get a slap on the wrist. It's been proved that Blacks are profiled and stopped for minor (or no real offenses) much more often than Whites. And we are TIRED OF IT !!

I shouldn't have to worry that my son or grandsons will be stopped by a cop and killed over some made up BS. My son has to travel to another town around 3:30 in the morning to get to work. And for those who think that only the Black people who have committed crimes are being killed...they are dumb, ignorant a*ses! Perhaps the Chauvin case will be a turning point...at least a start. I agree with those who feel those cops should never be set free. And I hope they get some serious a*s whoopings while they're in prison. I read an article the other day in which a convict in the prison where Chauvin is incarcerated said that's the most likely scenario for him. And I have no sympathy for him at all.
 

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Police conduct stings, blacks need to conduct them. Set up the pigs. Have sufficient video/audio backup, unseen, when the pig oinks, wham!
 
OneEyedDiva said:
Racism is real in America...even here on SF! I've read about cops who have been found to be members of White Supremacy groups and wouldn't be suprised if the KKK is included. Cops who say Black areas are where the crimes are obviously discount all the killings by husbands of their wives and children that have taken place in primarily White communities.

We have a list of things you can't do while Black. Drive with a broken tail light (unknowingly), drive a new car with temporary plates in the back window, work on your own lawn, watch T.V. in your house (either alone or with a child at your side), sleep in your bed at night, head up the steps of your apartment building, be an 8 year old child who's taking a nightly stroll with your father and it goes on and on! In each of these incidences, innocent people were shot and killed by police officers (yes...the 8 year old was killed, not his father). In most of the Killer Kop incidences, the cops go free or get a slap on the wrist. It's been proved that Blacks are profiled and stopped for minor (or no real offenses) much more often than Whites. And we are TIRED OF IT !!

I shouldn't have to worry that my son or grandsons will be stopped by a cop and killed over some made up BS. My son has to travel to another town around 3:30 in the morning to get to work. And for those who think that only the Black people who have committed crimes are being killed...they are dumb, ignorant a*ses! Perhaps the Chauvin case will be a turning point...at least a start. I agree with those who feel those cops should never be set free. And I hope they get some serious a*s whoopings while they're in prison. I read an article the other day in which a convict in the prison where Chauvin is said that's the most likely scenario for him. And I have no sympathy for him at all.
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Well said and what you have written needed to be said.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
Perhaps the Chauvin case will be a turning point...at least a start. I agree with those who feel those cops should never be set free. And I hope they get some serious a*s whoopings while they're in prison. I read an article the other day in which a convict in the prison where Chauvin is said that's the most likely scenario for him. And I have no sympathy for him at all.
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I agree, at least it's a start. Unfortunately people like him are usually protected in prison, so they don't experience that of an average citizen. I have as much sympathy for him as he showed for Mr. Floyd.......none.
 
SeaBreeze said:
I agree, at least it's a start. Unfortunately people like him are usually protected in prison, so they don't experience that of an average citizen. I have as much sympathy for him as he showed for Mr. Floyd.......none.
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Yes I'm aware he's being well guarded. He's being checked every 30 minutes as part of their suicide watch procedures and he only gets to leave his cell for an hour a day (I believe it is). I'm sure he's well guarded then. That kind of isolation in of itself is tortuous, now times that by forever. Oh well...ho hum.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
Yes I'm aware he's being well guarded. He's being checked every 30 minutes as part of their suicide watch procedures and he only gets to leave his cell for an hour a day (I believe it is). I'm sure he's well guarded then. That kind of isolation in of itself is tortuous, now times that by forever. Oh well...ho hum.
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No doubt all will be found guilty, then after the State sentences are served, they go to federal prison, bad days ahead for the bad boys.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
Yes I'm aware he's being well guarded. He's being checked every 30 minutes as part of their suicide watch procedures and he only gets to leave his cell for an hour a day (I believe it is). I'm sure he's well guarded then. That kind of isolation in of itself is tortuous, now times that by forever. Oh well...ho hum.
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Yeah, but nowhere as near being tortuous as in the general population. We have no control as to his protections, but at least he isn't out on the street to kill again.
 
MarciKS said:
well i'm sure Floyd's family doesn't see it that way.
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Any inmate can request so called special protection, does not mean it will be granted. While there is no exact Constitutional/Statutory provision that mandates the prison administration grant it, for ex-cops in prison, it's open-season, so more than likely the application will be granted.
 
ohioboy said:
Any inmate can request so called special protection, does not mean it will be granted. While there is no exact Constitutional/Statutory provision that mandates the prison administration grant it, for ex-cops in prison, it's open-season, so more than likely the application will be granted.
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we wouldn't be losing much if they knelt on his neck would we?
 
JimBob1952 said:
What I mean by that is that racism has kept people down, kept them poor, kept them from having opportunities that others have had. Poverty generates crime. I'm not making excuses for anyone who commits a crime, especially a violent crime.
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Poverty does not generate crime...that is a mistake many politicians make. Giving people more money will not stop them committing crimes if it is in their nature. There has always been poverty but most poor people are decent, law-abiding citizens. It all comes down to the family, and the upbringing children have. This is where it starts...in the home.
 
MarciKS said:
This has nothing to do with a person of color. If he'd been white it would've been the same deal. You kill someone in cold blood for no other reason than your personal agenda of hate then they become a martyr.
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That's absolutely not true. The police kill many more unarmed white people than black people every year. You don't hear a thing about it.
 
Rosemarie said:
Poverty does not generate crime...that is a mistake many politicians make. Giving people more money will not stop them committing crimes if it is in their nature. There has always been poverty but most poor people are decent, law-abiding citizens. It all comes down to the family, and the upbringing children have. This is where it starts...in the home.
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Would you feel safer walking around in a rich neighborhood or a poor neighborhood?
 
JimBob1952 said:
That's absolutely not true. The police kill many more unarmed white people than black people every year. You don't hear a thing about it.
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https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/

https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/...ely-than-black-people-to-be-killed-by-police/

Not according to statistics. There are plenty more statistics to choose from but here are 4 reference sources
 
I'm not arguing that more black people are killed by police as a percentage of the population.

But more white people are killed on an absolute basis.

This is a direct quote from one of your links:

"Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites. "

You do understand the difference, right? More whites killed on a total basis. More blacks killed on a proportional basis.

There is a much higher chance of a black person being killed by a police officer than a white person. But blacks commit crimes at a much higher rate than whites do, so there are many more contacts with the police.

It's complicated.
 
Sorry, I should have said "I agree that more black people are killed by police as a percentage of the population."
 
JimBob1952 said:
That's absolutely not true. The police kill many more unarmed white people than black people every year. You don't hear a thing about it.
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So are you telling me they get away with it? Or we just don't hear about it? Either way the dead are still martyrs for having to die solely because someone hated them.
 
Keesha said:
Complicated isn’t the word I’d use but YES I understand the difference. I’m the one who picked the links.
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MarciKS said:
So are you telling me they get away with it? Or we just don't hear about it? Either way the dead are still martyrs for having to die solely because someone hated them.
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And the links say that police kill more white people than black people each year. Which is what I said.

Someone like Andrew Brown, who decided to drive away from the police arresting him for dealing drugs and got killed in the process, is not a "martyr" in my view.

And yes, it's complicated. If it weren't complicated we could solve the problem. We can't.
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