Aliens, UFOs, UAPs...

[Murrmurr]

So then the question becomes: is that a problem? I believe all governments classify certain information on a "Need to know" basis.

I think they are honest about a lot of things. The COVID situation for one. Occasional medical problems associated with the vaccines. I mean, the list of subjects that could apply here is too long and varied to even attempt to cover, but I would wager the vast majority of topics the truth comes out.

I was watching This Week With George Stephanopoulos yesterday (as I mentioned in an earlier post) and they did a segment on this subject. One of the panelists, Ret. Marine Colonel and former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Steve Ganyard, addressed the issue of govt secrets and conspiracies, etc. He made the comment (@ 2:30, of the video below) that "I think that anybody who's worked in the US government before knows that the US government is completely incapable of complex conspiracies or keeping sensational secrets.

Here's the entire segment, uploaded to YouTube by yours truly...

No, it isn't. The problem with gov'ts keeping secrets is when the intents and purposes are nefarious.

The best a people can do about that is create some sort of watchdog agency or whatever, and that can go south. It's fine to hope for the best, but it's wise to be as well educated as possible.

 

[Jim W.]

No, it isn't. The problem with gov'ts keeping secrets is when the intents and purposes are nefarious.

The best a people can do about that is create some sort of watchdog agency or whatever, and that can go south. It's fine to hope for the best, but it's wise to be as well educated as possible.

I don't believe the US government as an entity in and of itself hides info or really does anything for nefarious purposes, simply because there are too many people who are a part of it, most having differing priorities and ideas about what is and is not right or permissible, to hide any purposeful wrongdoing.

As the retired Colonel said.... "Washington leaks like a sieve."

OTOH, I'm sure there are and have been plenty of individuals in the govt who have done and hidden things for nefarious purposes, as well as accomplices and enablers who've covered for them.

But again, the subject is individual acts as opposed to official policy.

I do not believe our govt overall, is evil or nefarious.

 

[Jim W.]

Not making this a political post but most governments always want to appear in control and to know what is going on. With UFOs they can't control or explain them. Which is why I'm surprised at this release and coverage the story is getting. Either these are more prominent than lead to believe and they are prepping the public for greater revelation or it's a distraction for something present or in the future.

I think that statement can be made of governments with highly centralized authority and power resting the hands of one person or a small group of people. But our government is too disparate, with power being shared co-equally between the three branches.

Imagine trying to get all those people to see anything one way.

Unless of course, the alien beings are controlling their minds!!!!!.....

 

[garyt1957]

I'ts my personal belief, just the opposite of others opinion. There is NO "actual" definitive evidence of such. Nothing against your friends, but I don't believe any abduction stories. Why not the President then? Why not a group of the greatest
scientific minds on Earth?

Because it's easier to abduct ol' Bubba deep in the Alabama forest, I guess.

 

[Judycat]

I have watched the UFO cases on TV. A lot of the stuff they televise is obviously ceremonially released luminaries, or balloons, or goofs fooling around with lasers, and now so many drones are out there, it's time for there to be a lot less U in the FO.

 

[Jim W.]

I'ts my personal belief, just the opposite of others opinion. There is NO "actual" definitive evidence of such. Nothing against your friends, but I don't believe any abduction stories. Why not the President then? Why not a group of the greatest
scientific minds on Earth?

By proof I mean something like this. Have you ever watched H.G. Wells Time Machine"? When returning from the year 2 million AD, or whatever it was, the people did not believe him. He pulled a flower out of his coat and said like "Try to match that with any known species on present Earth"!

I'm kinda with you on that.

The abduction stories seem a bit too far beyond the realm of believability for me.

I do love CE3K, though.

 

[fmdog44]

I have watched the UFO cases on TV. A lot of the stuff they televise is obviously ceremonially released luminaries, or balloons, or goofs fooling around with lasers, and now so many drones are out there, it's time for there to be a lot less U in the FO.

Prove it

 

[Irwin]

I don't believe the US government as an entity in and of itself hides info or really does anything for nefarious purposes, simply because there are too many people who are a part of it, most having differing priorities and ideas about what is and is not right or permissible, to hide any purposeful wrongdoing.

As the retired Colonel said.... "Washington leaks like a sieve."

OTOH, I'm sure there are and have been plenty of individuals in the govt who have done and hidden things for nefarious purposes, as well as accomplices and enablers who've covered for them.

But again, the subject is individual acts as opposed to official policy.

I do not believe our govt overall, is evil or nefarious.

There's plenty of evidence that the federal government can be and has been nefarious. State and local governments, too. Look at the major problems in the world and a lot of it can be traced directly to evil governments — often, of the U.S. or England.

 

[Pepper]

I'ts my personal belief, just the opposite of others opinion. There is NO "actual" definitive evidence of such. Nothing against your friends, but I don't believe any abduction stories. Why not the President then? Why not a group of the greatest
scientific minds on Earth?

The greatest scientific minds on earth have no knowledge of interest to anyone so superior as these beings if they exist.

 

[Sunny]

There's a front-page article about this in today's Washington Post, believe it or not

 

[Elsie]

I detest "theories" period. They are just guesses(?) in the long run--not physical proof. Other world space alien 'visitors' swooping around Earth? If I see one land on Earth with my own eyes, I'll accept I'm wrong. Theory study must be very interesting though.

 

[Jim W.]

There's plenty of evidence that the federal government can be and has been nefarious. State and local governments, too. Look at the major problems in the world and a lot of it can be traced directly to evil governments — often, of the U.S. or England.

I wasn't talking about foreign policy or the things we've done and do to create and maintain strategic advantages over rival and enemy nations.

That is a whole 'nother ballgame.

I was talking about domestically. How our government behaves as an entity, towards us.

Tell me of any policy you know of, that is intentionally, 100% nefarious towards us which has no other intent or purpose, whether stated or carried out surreptitiously, other than that of harming Americans.

 

[Jim W.]

There's a front-page article about this in today's Washington Post, believe it or not

The subject has been getting a lot of press lately.

 

[Pepper]

I was talking about domestically. How our government behaves as an entity, towards us.

Tell me of any policy you know of, that is intentionally, 100% nefarious towards us which has no other intent or purpose, whether stated or carried out surreptitiously, other than that of harming Americans.

Tuskegee Experiment

 

[officerripley]

Tuskegee Experiment

This!

 

[Nathan]

Tuskegee Experiment

The aliens were involved in the Tuskegee Experiment?

The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the African American Male was an ethically abusive study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the United States Public Health Service and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The purpose of this study was to observe the natural history of untreated syphilis. Wikipedia

 

[Pepper]

@Nathan
Look at exactly what I quoted. @JimW was mentioning how our government treats us, not at how aliens treat us. At least I read it as such.

 

[Jim W.]

Tuskegee Experiment

This!

Puh - lease.

That began in 1932, nearly 100 years ago.

Ended in 1972, nearly 50 years ago.

Can you all possibly dredge up something a tad more recent?

Also, and I'm not using this as an excuse or as a means to diminish its significance, but the study involved 600 men who had already contracted a disease. The US population at the time was roughly 125 million people.

Try to understand.... I was talking about 1) present times and 2) how we as a society are generally treated by our government as compared to say.... North Korea. Or Afghanistan. Or Russia. Or China. Etc. Etc.

Need I go into any deeper level of minutiae to clarify the general point I was making?

 

[Jondalar7]

It is my HOPE that when they visit us they treat us better than we treat less developed beings.

 

[garyt1957]

The subject has been getting a lot of press lately.

Which actually has me believing something might be there. In the past its always been deny, deny, deny.

 

[Irwin]

I wasn't talking about foreign policy or the things we've done and do to create and maintain strategic advantages over rival and enemy nations.

That is a whole 'nother ballgame.

I was talking about domestically. How our government behaves as an entity, towards us.

Tell me of any policy you know of, that is intentionally, 100% nefarious towards us which has no other intent or purpose, whether stated or carried out surreptitiously, other than that of harming Americans.

• Voter suppression laws, under the guise of protecting election integrity, are purely nefarious.
• The McCarthy hearings were conducted purely to destroy the lives of anyone even remotely connected to any communist organizations.
• The ballot recount going on in Arizona right now is purely to try to steal the election.

There are more, but those are all I can think of off the top of my head.

 

[officerripley]

• Voter suppression laws, under the guise of protecting election integrity, are purely nefarious.
• The McCarthy hearings were conducted purely to destroy the lives of anyone even remotely connected to any communist organizations.
• The ballot recount going on in Arizona right now is purely to try to steal the election.

There are more, but those are all I can think of off the top of my head.

This too!

 

[Jim W.]

• Voter suppression laws, under the guise of protecting election integrity, are purely nefarious.
• The McCarthy hearings were conducted purely to destroy the lives of anyone even remotely connected to any communist organizations.
• The ballot recount going on in Arizona right now is purely to try to steal the election.

There are more, but those are all I can think of off the top of my head.

OK, but you're really only talking about a small faction of the governments in certain states, not the Federal govt.

These are not things that are being universally advocated or that have been encoded into our nations laws or the Constitution.

All of these things are being challenged in the courts, too.

And the McCarthy hearings are, as the Tuskegee thing was, ancient history and something that a particular faction was responsible for. Our courts and legislators stepped up and righted those wrongs. There are no McCarthy hearings today.

 

[Murrmurr]

Which actually has me believing something might be there. In the past its always been deny, deny, deny.

I wouldn't be shocked if there is something out there. Or maybe the sudden widespread media coverage is a distraction - from what's going on in the South China Sea, for example.

 

[fmdog44]

In popular culture and UFO conspiracy theories, men in black are supposed men dressed in black suits who claim to be quasi-government agents who harass, threaten or sometimes even assassinate UFO witnesses to keep them quiet about what they have seen. The term is also frequently used to describe mysterious men working for unknown organizations, as well as various branches of government allegedly designed to protect secrets or perform other strange activities. The term is generic, used for any unusual, threatening or strangely behaved individual whose appearance on the scene can be linked in some fashion with a UFO sighting. Several alleged encounters with the men in black have been reported by UFO researchers and enthusiasts.​

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There was a recent documentary about the existence of such people in the U.S.. Many very high up in politics including presidents never knew about them. Today still very little is known as to what they do nd who they are.