Ohio Teachers packing heat-- must have POTC

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Title:		Gabbard v. Madison Local School Dist. Bd. of Edn. (Slip Opinion)
Author:O'Connor, C.J.
Subject:2020-0612
Keywords:Local boards of education—School employees—R.C. 109.78(D)—R.C. 2923.122(D)(1)(a)—Authorization to carry a deadly weapon or dangerous ordnance on school grounds—R.C. 109.78(D) prohibits a school from employing a person who goes armed while on duty in his or her job unless the employee has satisfactorily completed an approved basic peace-officer-training program or has 20 years of experience as a peace officer.

Good decision, you think?
 

ohioboy said:

Title:		Gabbard v. Madison Local School Dist. Bd. of Edn. (Slip Opinion)
Author:O'Connor, C.J.
Subject:2020-0612
Keywords:Local boards of education—School employees—R.C. 109.78(D)—R.C. 2923.122(D)(1)(a)—Authorization to carry a deadly weapon or dangerous ordnance on school grounds—R.C. 109.78(D) prohibits a school from employing a person who goes armed while on duty in his or her job unless the employee has satisfactorily completed an approved basic peace-officer-training program or has 20 years of experience as a peace officer.

Good decision, you think?
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I think so. So many hours annually of firing range practice or refresher courses should be required, too.
 
It sounds like a carefully worded policy to allow school districts to hire armed resource officers.

In this area each school has an armed resource officer that is usually a city police officer or a state trooper in the rural schools.
 

When something isn't working it's time to try something else, even some people may not like it.
Interesting that those who are against the idea (and also against the idea of gun ownership in general) never have any alternate viable solutions - they just keep repeating the same tired, old, "That's not the answer." But they never have any other answer.

I'm still chuckling at a moronic school administrator who had a solution after a previous school shooting: He suggested teachers in each classroom keep a bucket of rocks to throw at a shooter. (Yes, he really said that).
Well, a professional baseball pitcher can throw at 95 miles/hour, which is 139 feet per second. (Much faster than most teachers)
A bullet from a typical rifle such as an AR-15 leaves the barrel at 3,100 feet per second. It doesn't take a genius to figure out which will get there first.
Yeah.....a bucket of rocks should do the trick........

Could it be that they don't want to spend the money for school security & rocks are much cheaper?
 
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Aunt Bea said:
It sounds like a carefully worded policy to allow school districts to hire armed resource officers.

In this area each school has an armed resource officer that is usually a city police officer or a state trooper in the rural schools.
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I'd want my kid in the class with the teacher who's got a firearm and knows how to use it. Those teachers should be paid a salary differential, too, kind of like a hazard pay.
 
Nosy Bee-54 said:
No more mass school shootings. Teachers will put down the perpetrators quickly.
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The solution to mass shootings is to buy more guns and give them to the teachers?🥺
Do I think it’s a good idea?
No! I think it’s a horrible idea . It teaches kids that killing others first is the solution but I don’t live there so can’t relate.
 
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Murrmurr said:
If every school had a bunch of cameras, a couple of armed people manning a surveillance room full of monitors, and a firearm on every qualified teacher, mass school shootings could be hideous history.
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What would work better is if we put a soldier armed with an M16 in every classroom. Any kid that gets out of line... BLAM!!! Any kid that doesn't do his or her homework... BLAM!!! Every kid would get straight 'A's... or BLAM!!!

Think of the benefits to society. We could weed out all the riff-raff and underachievers. It would also solve the overcrowding in schools.

Something to think about.
 
Arming teachers and stepping up security within the schools ignores the fact that the bad guy will always be the one controlling the time and place of an attack.

If it can’t happen in the classroom it will happen on the playground, parking lot or school bus, in a city park, etc...

I don’t have an answer on how best to prevent the very rare possibility that this could happen to the people that I care about but I doubt that throwing endless amounts of money and resources to increase security will help.
 
win231 said:
When something isn't working it's time to try something else, even some people may not like it.
Interesting that those who are against the idea (and also against the idea of gun ownership in general) never have any alternate viable solutions - they just keep repeating the same tired, old, "That's not the answer." But they never have any other answer.

I'm still chuckling at a moronic school administrator who had a solution after a previous school shooting: He suggested teachers in each classroom keep a bucket of rocks to throw at a shooter. (Yes, he really said that).
Well, a professional baseball pitcher can throw at 95 miles/hour, which is 139 feet per second. (Much faster than most teachers)
A bullet from a typical rifle such as an AR-15 leaves the barrel at 3,100 feet per second. It doesn't take a genius to figure out which will get there first.
Yeah.....a bucket of rocks should do the trick........

Could it be that they don't want to spend the money for school security & rocks are much cheaper?
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Will they be allowed hollow-point rocks?
 
win231 said:
Yes, you live in Canada, where there is no gun violence. :ROFLMAO:
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/17/794510796/why-gun-violence-is-surging-in-toronto
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Win! I’ve never once said that Canada has no gun violence. Could you please stop punishing me for something another member here said and did? I’ve never once put down your country or suggested new ways of running it yet you hit me with this crap every single time. Please stop it. It’s getting old and it certainly isn’t funny.
 
Aunt Bea said:
Arming teachers and stepping up security within the schools ignores the fact that the bad guy will always be the one controlling the time and place of an attack.

If it can’t happen in the classroom it will happen on the playground, parking lot or school bus, in a city park, etc...

I don’t have an answer on how best to prevent the very rare possibility that this could happen to the people that I care about but I doubt that throwing endless amounts of money and resources to increase security will help.
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The only solution is to close the schools altogether until you can ensure there are no guns (at all) on school premises. The chance of getting a gun on an airplane these days is close to zero. So? Get to work!
 
win231 said:
Yes, you live in Canada, where there is no gun violence. :ROFLMAO:
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/17/794510796/why-gun-violence-is-surging-in-toronto
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Even more disturbing is that you by passed THIS post to joke with me about something I never said
Irwin said:
What would work better is if we put a soldier armed with an M16 in every classroom. Any kid that gets out of line... BLAM!!! Any kid that doesn't do his or her homework... BLAM!!! Every kid would get straight 'A's... or BLAM!!!

Think of the benefits to society. We could weed out all the riff-raff and underachievers. It would also solve the overcrowding in schools.

Something to think about.
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Seriously? 😳
 
ohioboy said:
Admittedly, I'm stumped for a practical alternative. There seems to be only one dispotive answer, virtual education. No masses equals no mass murder.
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While schools were closed, 4 out of 10 high school students nationwide never logged on for virtual classes, and something like 30% of grade school students didn't either. Some teachers reported only 50% of their students did not log on all year. Millions of kids simply did not "go to school". Of those who did, the majority did poorly; grade averages dropped dramatically.

Nobody's sure what happened. States say they provided free internet and Chromebooks to all students, but in an article I read it was presumed they missed some, and that some families were trapped in lockdown away from home or their lives were disrupted by covid deaths in the family. But we're talking about millions of kids. States aren't admitting their shoddy performance, imo.

But if online school became the norm, I assume there'd be lots of improvements. An alternative would be many small neighborhood schools rather than the huge campuses we have now, and maybe a huge increase in professional home tutors, too.
 
Keesha said:
The solution to mass shootings is to buy more guns and give them to the teachers?🥺
Do I think it’s a good idea?
No! I think it’s a horrible idea . It teaches kids that killing others first is the solution but I don’t live there so can’t relate.
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IMO, kids would learn about standing up to violence and protecting loved ones and the vulnerable (and that school shootings aren't cool. Some school shooters were copy-cat killers who wanted the fame).

It isn't an ideal solution but it would keep kids safe until a better one comes along. Still, home schooling is probably the way to go.
 
Murrmurr said:
IMO, kids would learn about standing up to violence and protecting loved ones and the vulnerable (and that school shootings aren't cool. Some school shooters were copy-cat killers who wanted the fame).

It isn't an ideal solution but it would keep kids safe until a better one comes along. Still, home schooling is probably the way to go.
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It’s not ideal but if it works I’ll be the first to admit I was wrong. It’s sad that this is considered the best alternative to horrendous acts of violence but I also don’t have a solution either so will stay out of this one.
 
Murrmurr said:
IMO, kids would learn about standing up to violence and protecting loved ones and the vulnerable ......
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If you are saying what I think you are saying then an argument is about to happen. So let us see. I am saying eliminate violence and you are saying "learn to stand up to it", ie. stand your ground?
 
Hallelujah! Absolutely splendid!

Finally, a bill/proposal that makes sense, but why stop at just teachers, and why stop at just the State of Ohio?

Why not students, too, and why not all States?

Measures could be put in place to provide students with... hold on... here it comes... "dangerous ordnance" as they enter the school grounds, then at the end of each school day "dangerous ordnance" would be handed back to school authorities for safe keeping until the following school day.

If there's one thing I've learned, and believe me I've learned it well, account being tutored by one or two professionals here, that is, more guns helps keep everyone safer, and more guns make for a safer society, AND... more guns make for more polite and respectful people.

My bet is once parents catch whiff of all the burning gun powder schools that are armed to the max, an exponential explosion of enrollment applications will flow just like the empty shell casings being ejected from an AR-15. Parents from all around will be scrambling and tripping over one another to sign their kids up to attend.

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Verisure said:
If you are saying what I think you are saying then an argument is about to happen. So let us see. I am saying eliminate violence and you are saying "learn to stand up to it", ie. stand your ground?
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Not the *stand your ground* thing you're thinking of. Just that someone with the skills can protect you, and you can learn those skills, too. And that sometimes you can't cower, you have to fight the bad guy to protect yourself and others.
 
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