Ohio Teachers packing heat-- must have POTC

Marge, give every student Nitro, nah, would not work. "Liquid-oxygen blasting explosives" hmm, wonder what that would do? I know that means LOX, that I've heard of.

(K) "Dangerous ordnance" means any of the following, except as provided in division (L) of this section:

(1) Any automatic or sawed-off firearm, zip-gun, or ballistic knife;

(2) Any explosive device or incendiary device;

(3) Nitroglycerin, nitrocellulose, nitrostarch, PETN, cyclonite, TNT, picric acid, and other high explosives; amatol, tritonal, tetrytol, pentolite, pecretol, cyclotol, and other high explosive compositions; plastic explosives; dynamite, blasting gelatin, gelatin dynamite, sensitized ammonium nitrate, liquid-oxygen blasting explosives, blasting powder, and other blasting agents; and any other explosive substance having sufficient brisance or power to be particularly suitable for use as a military explosive, or for use in mining, quarrying, excavating, or demolitions;

(4) Any firearm, rocket launcher, mortar, artillery piece, grenade, mine, bomb, torpedo, or similar weapon, designed and manufactured for military purposes, and the ammunition for that weapon;

(5) Any firearm muffler or suppressor;

(6) Any combination of parts that is intended by the owner for use in converting any firearm or other device into a dangerous ordnance.

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-2923.11
 

Let's add more people carrying guns. That's worked so well for us. Since we have all those armed people, we never hear of a gun related death. Really when was the last time anyone in Texas, with it's pro-gun laws, was shot?
And yes, I'm one of those liberal nuts, who want to take away guns. I used to think there were "responsible gun owners". But the majority of gun related deaths are suicides. No, guns don't cause mental illness, but they don't help, either.
 
Murrmurr said:
Not the *stand your ground* thing you're thinking of. Just that someone with the skills can protect you, and you can learn those skills, too. And that sometimes you can't cower, you have to fight the bad guy to protect yourself and others.
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Now that I see that people believe, "more guns helps keep everyone safer, and more guns make for a safer society", then I will no longer participate in this thread.
 

ohioboy said:
Marge, give every student Nitro, nah, would not work. "Liquid-oxygen blasting explosives" hmm, wonder what that would do? I know that means LOX, that I've heard of.

(K) "Dangerous ordnance" means any of the following, except as provided in division (L) of this section:

(1) Any automatic or sawed-off firearm, zip-gun, or ballistic knife;

(2) Any explosive device or incendiary device;

(3) Nitroglycerin, nitrocellulose, nitrostarch, PETN, cyclonite, TNT, picric acid, and other high explosives; amatol, tritonal, tetrytol, pentolite, pecretol, cyclotol, and other high explosive compositions; plastic explosives; dynamite, blasting gelatin, gelatin dynamite, sensitized ammonium nitrate, liquid-oxygen blasting explosives, blasting powder, and other blasting agents; and any other explosive substance having sufficient brisance or power to be particularly suitable for use as a military explosive, or for use in mining, quarrying, excavating, or demolitions;

(4) Any firearm, rocket launcher, mortar, artillery piece, grenade, mine, bomb, torpedo, or similar weapon, designed and manufactured for military purposes, and the ammunition for that weapon;

(5) Any firearm muffler or suppressor;

(6) Any combination of parts that is intended by the owner for use in converting any firearm or other device into a dangerous ordnance.

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-2923.11
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Good Sunday morning to you, Ohio!

The whole "dangerous ordnance" thing is nothing short of brilliant, wouldn't you say?

Brilliant, in that those who dreamed up this latest plan didn't once have to come out and mention the word gun.

Their low-key way of thinking on this should help grease this bill up to the point of it sliding right on through first, second, and past third, with it finishing up with a home run!
 
Aunt Marg said:
Good Sunday morning to you, Ohio!

The whole "dangerous ordnance" thing is nothing short of brilliant, wouldn't you say?

Brilliant, in that those who dreamed up this latest plan didn't once have to come out and mention the word gun.

Their low-key way of thinking on this should help grease this bill up making it slide right on through first, second, and third base, with it finishing up with a home run!
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If Ohio's teachers can carry a firearm on school grounds (I don't know if they can), this bill would require them to have police training or 20 years of service on a police force. In that case, seems like a brilliant idea to me.

Personally, I'd rather schools have lots of cameras and a surveillance room manned with armed personnel. Also having what we call a cop-shop near every school is a good idea, too...immediate response time.
 
OPOTC= Ohio Peace Officer Training Certificate. Not of a higher institutional course (s), a non-degree degree, so to speak.
 
Murrmurr said:
If Ohio's teachers can carry a firearm on school grounds (I don't know if they can), this bill would require them to have police training or 20 years of service on a police force. In that case, seems like a brilliant idea to me.

Personally, I'd rather schools have lots of cameras and a surveillance room manned with armed personnel. Also having what we call a cop-shop near every school is a good idea, too...immediate response time.
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I love the idea of more cameras, Mur. In fact, I support the use of more cameras everywhere considering the direction society and our world is going.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the mass school shootings in the past, the perpetrators came into the schools after the fact? So if this be the case, why not have all school entries and exits manned by armed personnel and keep guns out of schools?

Hubby and I are pro gun owners, but even with that said, I wouldn't want my child (regardless of age) exposed to an environment where teachers are parading around with sidearms hanging from their sides. In my view that doesn't reflect a healthy surrounding/atmosphere.
 
Aunt Marg said:
I love the idea of more cameras, Mur. In fact, I support the use of more cameras everywhere considering the direction society and our world is going.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the mass school shootings in the past, the perpetrators came into the schools after the fact? So if this be the case, why not have all school entries and exits manned by armed personnel and keep guns out of schools?

Hubby and I are pro gun owners, but even with that said, I wouldn't want my child (regardless of age) exposed to an environment where teachers are parading around with sidearms hanging from their sides. In my view that doesn't reflect a healthy surrounding/atmosphere.
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" Hubby and I are pro gun owners, "

Aren't you the one that stated awhile back that we here in the US of A are obsessed with our guns ?
 
rgp said:
" Hubby and I are pro gun owners, "

Aren't you the one that stated awhile back that we here in the US of A are obsessed with our guns ?
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Seeing how you mentioned it, could you be so kind as to round-up that quote and post it here for me?

Just as soon as I see your entry I'll be happy to reply to your post.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
Let's add more people carrying guns. That's worked so well for us. Since we have all those armed people, we never hear of a gun related death. Really when was the last time anyone in Texas, with it's pro-gun laws, was shot?
And yes, I'm one of those liberal nuts, who want to take away guns. I used to think there were "responsible gun owners". But the majority of gun related deaths are suicides. No, guns don't cause mental illness, but they don't help, either.
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No alternate suggestions on how to stop a mass shooter?
 
What about metal detectors in schools?

Has such been implemented in any schools (States) that anyone is aware of?

Sure, additional staff or personnel would be required to do a check on anyone setting such detectors off, but from the standpoint of school safety, I can't see why metal detectors wouldn't be a step in the right direction.
 
rgp said:
....... Aren't you the one that stated awhile back that we here in the US of A are obsessed with our guns ?
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It's one of those things, isn't it. If I say "Americans are gun-toting mass murderers" someone very quickly will scold me for saying it considering there are also upstanding, law-abiding citizens in the US. But if I say, "Amerians are good basketball players" no one will get upset over it and remind me that NOT ALL Americans can play basketball.

By participating in numerous discussion forums ... and watching the news of all the mass murderers, drive-by, shopping mall, racial shootings, murder for insurance, murder for custody of the children, and school shoot-em-ups .... and then compare it with the rest of the world .... then I can say, "Americans are obsessed with their guns".
 
Aunt Marg said:
What about metal detectors in schools?

Has such been implemented in any schools (States) that anyone is aware of?

Sure, additional staff or personnel would be required to do a check on anyone setting such detectors off, but from the standpoint of school safety, I can't see why metal detectors wouldn't be a step in the right direction.
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As I was saying earlier, "The chance of getting a gun on an airplane these days is close to zero". There's probably a good reason for that.
 
Aunt Marg said:
I love the idea of more cameras, Mur. In fact, I support the use of more cameras everywhere considering the direction society and our world is going.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the mass school shootings in the past, the perpetrators came into the schools after the fact? So if this be the case, why not have all school entries and exits manned by armed personnel and keep guns out of schools?

Hubby and I are pro gun owners, but even with that said, I wouldn't want my child (regardless of age) exposed to an environment where teachers are parading around with sidearms hanging from their sides. In my view that doesn't reflect a healthy surrounding/atmosphere.
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Simplest thing would be to lock all school building main entrances but, in the eyes of the state, that's violating older students' freedom to come and go as they please. I imagine teachers who are authorized to carry guns would be required to keep them in a safe of some sort, but the proposal did say "carry". Armed door guards would openly carry, so I really don't see a huge difference there regarding exposure.

Armed schools would be a deterrent. Kind of like when a burglar tries a door and finds it locked, he'd rather move on to the one that isn't.
 
Aunt Marg said:
What about metal detectors in schools?

Has such been implemented in any schools (States) that anyone is aware of?

Sure, additional staff or personnel would be required to do a check on anyone setting such detectors off, but from the standpoint of school safety, I can't see why metal detectors wouldn't be a step in the right direction.
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A number of schools tried that and it resulted in backpack searches and pat-downs. Parents complained their kids were being treated like criminals, so that didn't last long.
 
Verisure said:
It's one of those things, isn't it. If I say "Americans are gun-toting mass murderers" someone very quickly will scold me for saying it considering there are also upstanding, law-abiding citizens in the US. But if I say, "Amerians are good basketball players" no one will get upset over it and remind me that NOT ALL Americans can play basketball.

By participating in numerous discussion forums ... and watching the news of all the mass murderers, drive-by, shopping mall, racial shootings, murder for insurance, murder for custody of the children, and school shoot-em-ups .... and then compare it with the rest of the world .... then I can say, "Americans are obsessed with their guns".
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Regardless of knee-jerk reactions, I hope you understand that (probably a majority of) Americans are not obsessed with guns, but with maintaining their right to own them.
 
Murrmurr said:
Simplest thing would be to lock all school building main entrances but, in the eyes of the state, that's violating older students' freedom to come and go as they please. I imagine teachers who are authorized to carry guns would be required to keep them in a safe of some sort, but the proposal did say "carry". Armed door guards would openly carry, so I really don't see a huge difference there regarding exposure.

Armed schools would be a deterrent. Kind of like when a burglar tries a door and finds it locked, he'd rather move on to the one that isn't.
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There would be no reason to lock the doors with armed personnel guarding such exits/entrances.

In addition to covering weak points such as exits/entrances, schools could add a walking guard (one on each floor) as an extra-added measure of security.

I'm thinking back to my school days, every classroom had two doors, a door at the front of the classroom where the teachers desk sat, and a door at the far back of the classroom where shelving and cubby holes were located.

With 20-30 students in a typical class setting and with the teacher at the front of the class, an armed teacher is going to do sweet nothing in the event an assailant enters such a class from the back door of the room and starts shooting. Not only does this scenario handicap a teacher from using a "dangerous ordnance", because they would be risking hitting students, it affords the bulk of the students in the class to act as human shields for the assailant.
 
Murrmurr said:
Simplest thing would be to lock all school building main entrances but, in the eyes of the state, that's violating older students' freedom to come and go as they please. I imagine teachers who are authorized to carry guns would be required to keep them in a safe of some sort, but the proposal did say "carry". Armed door guards would openly carry, so I really don't see a huge difference there regarding exposure.
Armed schools would be a deterrent. Kind of like when a burglar tries a door and finds it locked, he'd rather move on to the one that isn't.
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Safe? How about a mobile vault?

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