Too old for the job?

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Have you ever applied for a job which you knew you were qualified for / had relevant experience in, but never heard back, and wondered if it was because of your age?

I have had that creeping feeling for several job applications now, including one for a part-time job in an estate agent, which involved escorting potential buyers to house viewings, another was as a receptionist, another as a school assistant. The ensuing silence is something I am getting used to, and I am more certain all the time that I am being screened out because of my age. This can never be proved, of course, but it's a pity for the businesses, in a way, if it is true. They are missing out on the wealth of experience, knowledge and customer empathy which is typical of a mature employee.

Your thoughts?
 

Luckily, I haven't had to look for a job in my older years, I was with my last job before I retired for over thirty years. I do believe that there is passive age discrimination going on with job interviews. They probably think of sick time, workman's comp issues, and just the vain ideas younger people have nowadays about physical appearance. I'm often disappointed in the service of younger cashiers, salespeople, service assistants, etc. I am in absolute agreement with you, that they're missing our on experience, knowledge and courtesy. I've found myself thanking cashiers and wishing them a good day, instead of the other way around, like in the good old days. :rolleyes:
 

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People could be biased against you because you have too much experience and would be too expensive to hire.

My husband encountered this problem after the financial crisis; he lost his job and reentered the job market but kept being passed over for young people who were new to the field.

He was actually told by someone in HR that this was because his experience meant he would cost much more to hire compared to these young men.
 

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Unfortunately, I have. I once applied to be a referee for a local minor hockey league, and I felt outside of my age, I was very qualified for the job. I am a fairly good skater for being an old fellow, and I know the rules of the game like the back of my hand. However, I never heard back after having an interview with the head of the league. I still wonder to this day if it was become of my age and generalizations about senior citizens if I wasn't hired for the job. :confused:
 
I certainly agree that there are a lot of organizations missing out on a wealth of experience and knowledge by passing up on older candidates. I haven't had this experience myself but certainly have friends who have. In one case, a friend was told point-blank by an (inexperienced, unempathetic!) interviewer that her age would be a determiment to her suitability for a part-time job answering phones for a community organization. My friend was able to quietly bring the matter up with the human resources person at the organization, and all the interviews were conducted again. She got the job.
 
At the risk of sounding contrary, I'm probably guilty of favoring youth over experience sometimes. If I'm speaking to a sales person, sometimes I want the enthusiasm and youthful arrogance rather than a world-weary attitude. I wouldn't go as far as to say that old people shouldn't get hired, but I have no problem admitting that appearance--age, gender, weight, clothing--can play a part in jobs that are customer facing.
 
I think you'd find that the law isn't on your side making that claim. Your suitability for the job is up for consideration, so, if you can't write quickly because your hands are arthritic, so be it, you won't get hired to be a stenographer. But you'll loose the job because you can't write, NOT because you are old.
 
I've encountered discrimination too. The job description stated some lifting up to 40 pounds. I'm by no means in peak physical condition but i can lift 40 pounds still. I had an interview and they kept stressing the lifting aspect of the job. I reassured them i would have no problems. I was never given a call back. I'm sure it was because of my age. Its unfortunate that more can't be done to stop this kind of thing.
 
I never understood this scenario as I feel as long as you can do the job efficiently, age is nothing but a number. There are many reasons why an older person would more suit the job, such as experience. I also agree that sometimes it is not your age that holds you back from the job, but your qualifications can as well. Say you wanted to work in an office setting, you may not know the latest software that the office uses. This is not due to your age but the fact that you do not have the skills.

Regardless if you are skilled in the profession, it should not matter how old you are but how you would complete the job. There are some jobs where the company would be looking for an older more accomplished person would suit the needs of the job.
 
Businesses look at the entire package, with age you get lots of experience, wisdom, and other benefits but also sometimes they are harder to train in new technology, have a much higher medical care expense and are not perceived as long turn - in other words, higher turn over rate potential.

We have to get out there, reinvent yourself, get certified in something to help yourself stand out when looking for a job. I could care less when hiring people about their age, I focus on what they bring to the table and how well they will fit into the culture.
 
My husband was told to NOT put all his years of experience on his resume. If he wrote that he had over 30 years of computer experience, he was told that would be an indication that he would be close to retiring rather than a person with great experience, insight and knowledge.
 
I've had my suspicions of age discrimination on several occasions, mainly when I applied for positions as a:


  • Toys-R-Us catalog model
  • Spokesman for the Rappers Union
  • Puberty technician
  • participant in a zit-removal study

Ageism - it's disgusting! :mad:
 
No and I have been one of the fortunate ones. I think the key is not having the expectation of earning the salary one used to make. I have been very lucky to have earned salaries that allowed me to be financially independent, without ever having gone to college.

After moving to Tennessee, I was not looking for work, when I was approached by my insurance agent to take the PT secretarial position that would soon open.

He said "you know I can't pay you anywhere near what you used to make but it will cover horse feed and hay. I said "that's good enough for me" and started the following Monday.

I was 57. This is a small Ag county and the first words out of the mouths of his clients were they were glad to see someone older sitting in the chair because, now, maybe the doors would be open on time, the phone would be politely answered, and gosh I might actually have an answer when they ask a question.

When I left, seven (I said six in another thread but it's seven:( years later, some of those same folks called me personally to wish me well but to say they wish I were back because they don't like the service "that young woman" gives them - lol lol

So, for my part, I have never experienced age discrimination. I'm sure if I needed to go back to work part time, I could find something in the background of somebody's office that would pay a decent wage.
 
But by accepting a salary that is far below the norm you're not doing any favors for other seniors that are still, of necessity, looking for living-wage jobs.

I understand that to you it was just feed money, but to someone else it might have been rent money. I actually see what your boss did as taking advantage of both the situation and of seniors in general.

I should have every expectation of making at least what I used to make - in fact, I should be making more because now I have even more experience. Just because I have gray hair or move slower or I'm not as hot as the younger applicant, or willing to take less, is no reason to dismiss me out of hand, but I know that that is in fact what these people do.

Don't get me wrong - I'm glad that you're happy with the job and that it meets your needs. I would just feel, in a similar situation, and especially once the customers start singing my praises, that I am indeed worth the full amount if not more.

This is one of the saving graces of being self-employed: I can pick and choose who I do business with (to a point, of course). I am the only person responsible for how much I make and I know that I'm not going to short-change myself, mainly because I know I deserve to earn more than some gum-snapping teen who couldn't care less about the work.
 
When I was in high echelon (la de da word) management for large corporations at times I was guilty of age discrimination. I always had to evaluate the potential employee for money vested in training vs. potential income for the company. How many years would the person stay, did he or she have the same enthusiasm as a younger person. It really sucked as I know I did not hire some people due to "corporate guidelines" and that was years before the age discrimination laws came about.

When I had my own business I did not care how old you were as long as you did the job I gave to you. Some sad stuff going on in our "GOLDEN YEARS ​"!
 
But by accepting a salary that is far below the norm you're not doing any favors for other seniors that are still, of necessity, looking for living-wage jobs.

I understand that to you it was just feed money, but to someone else it might have been rent money. I actually see what your boss did as taking advantage of both the situation and of seniors in general.

I should have every expectation of making at least what I used to make - in fact, I should be making more because now I have even more experience. Just because I have gray hair or move slower or I'm not as hot as the younger applicant, or willing to take less, is no reason to dismiss me out of hand, but I know that that is in fact what these people do.

Don't get me wrong - I'm glad that you're happy with the job and that it meets your needs. I would just feel, in a similar situation, and especially once the customers start singing my praises, that I am indeed worth the full amount if not more.

This is one of the saving graces of being self-employed: I can pick and choose who I do business with (to a point, of course). I am the only person responsible for how much I make and I know that I'm not going to short-change myself, mainly because I know I deserve to earn more than some gum-snapping teen who couldn't care less about the work.

While I respectfully disagree with your interpretation, I don't totally disagree.

That being said, explain to me how I would justify to ANY potential employer in a basically agricultural state, why they should pay me the $30/hr I made in Southern California as a Planner/Scheduler, to be nothing more than a receptionist taking payments from folks when they come thru the door?

When my 17 yr job came to an end because the plant closed it doors, several years later there were STILL engineers out of work because they felt they deserved to start out at the top wages they were being paid when our plant closed. They were depressed because, either their wives were working piddly jobs just for them to get by, or they ended up divorced --- none of which is any surprise to me.

One can't spend their life being a "Legend in their own mind", if they want to eat. When good jobs are lost or a person retires from their good job, they need to understand they start at the bottom again; hopefully not clear at the bottom, flipping burgers at McDonalds but nonetheless closer to the bottom rung of wages than the top.

He paid me way more than what the average salary was for a secretarial/receptionist help at that time and I only had to be there three days a week.

I didn't take anything from anyone because nobody, that he could trust handling big amounts of cash, had any of the other qualifications. I am a Yankee living south of the Mason-Dixon in a county where they are still upset over who won the Cival War, yet he had more faith in my abilities (and was willing to pay more than the going rate) than those of some of his cronies wives, who just wanted to "play" at having a job. He needed somebody he could trust and, amazingly, he figured out in a very short time, I wouldn't steal, I'd answer the phones, I'd do everything an employee is SUPPOSED to do - work and be ethical about it.

I have never felt I was taken advantage of, elst I would not have stayed seven years. Believe me, I have quit high paying jobs for that very reason, I recognize the difference between "I really appreciate you but I don't have a lot of money to pay you" and "hehheh, let's see what we can get out of this witch, she's making top dollar and needs a job":)

I think I stated in my original post that I left that position in 2011. The 30-something that took my place is as honest as the day is long but can't type, and refuses to help people, even when the answers are simple.

Some of the financial tracking stuff I used to do on an Excel spreadsheet, because I was bored, became so valuable the current agent hired an account because my replacement can't do the work.

So what did I take away from somebody else? Nothing -- all the qualified help in this area are too busy working full time jobs to support their families------------------
 
While I respectfully disagree with your interpretation, I don't totally disagree.

That being said, explain to me how I would justify to ANY potential employer in a basically agricultural state, why they should pay me the $30/hr I made in Southern California as a Planner/Scheduler, to be nothing more than a receptionist taking payments from folks when they come thru the door?

Regional differences in salary structures I can understand.

When my 17 yr job came to an end because the plant closed it doors, several years later there were STILL engineers out of work because they felt they deserved to start out at the top wages they were being paid when our plant closed. They were depressed because, either their wives were working piddly jobs just for them to get by, or they ended up divorced --- none of which is any surprise to me.

Well, an engineer usually is a very specialized kind of beastie - once they get involved in a particular discipline, they're pretty much useless in any other field, especially when they have a lot of years in the job. I don't know the specifics, but I do know that the more specialized you are the harder it's going to be to find another job in that field. I would say they do it to themselves, but that would probably sound cruel.

Honest, but cruel. ;)

It also hinges on their lifestyles - you know how someone who makes big bucks for a long time assumes that those bucks will always be coming in. SoCal isn't known for their humble ways, so I would imagine these guys did the whole nine yards with the fancy overpriced houses, trophy wives, fancy cars, electronic toys, etc. - so of course when that all comes to a screeching halt they're going to be running around like chickens without heads.

If they had led a simpler life, found a wife who wasn't a gold-digger, drove a 10-year-old pick-up truck, then perhaps their dismissal wouldn't have seemed quite so bad.

When you buy into the fantasy, it's nobody's fault but your own when you eventually have to wake up.

One can't spend their life being a "Legend in their own mind", if they want to eat. When good jobs are lost or a person retires from their good job, they need to understand they start at the bottom again; hopefully not clear at the bottom, flipping burgers at McDonalds but nonetheless closer to the bottom rung of wages than the top.

Why? Why start at the bottom again? I understand the economic necessity of a move like that, a necessity all too common nowadays, but theoretically at least you should be able to stay within your field, if not at your previous salary grade then at least at something approaching a living wage - not like McDonald's.

And yes, I know, all the good jobs are going to India and Malaysia. :playful:

He paid me way more than what the average salary was for a secretarial/receptionist help at that time and I only had to be there three days a week.

If it was more than the LOCAL average salary then yes, I agree, it was fine. I was under the impression that he was paying you chicken-feed ... er, horse-feed.

I didn't take anything from anyone because nobody, that he could trust handling big amounts of cash, had any of the other qualifications. I am a Yankee living south of the Mason-Dixon in a county where they are still upset over who won the Cival War, yet he had more faith in my abilities (and was willing to pay more than the going rate) than those of some of his cronies wives, who just wanted to "play" at having a job. He needed somebody he could trust and, amazingly, he figured out in a very short time, I wouldn't steal, I'd answer the phones, I'd do everything an employee is SUPPOSED to do - work and be ethical about it.

Not to be a stinker, but I would say nobody that YOU knew of. If the local talent pool is indeed that poor (and as a fellow Yankee I'm refraining from expressing my own thoughts on the matter!) then yes indeed he got the best part of the deal.

I have never felt I was taken advantage of, elst I would not have stayed seven years. Believe me, I have quit high paying jobs for that very reason, I recognize the difference between "I really appreciate you but I don't have a lot of money to pay you" and "hehheh, let's see what we can get out of this witch, she's making top dollar and needs a job":)

Appreciation goes a long way, agreed. If he TRULY doesn't have a lot to pay you, then of course it's your decision whether or not to take the job. I've just had too many experiences with the latter type, the ones who hide their money under the mattress and plead poverty. It not only makes them cheap; I feel it cheapens ME to take a job under those circumstances.

I think I stated in my original post that I left that position in 2011. The 30-something that took my place is as honest as the day is long but can't type, and refuses to help people, even when the answers are simple.

Witness the wonders of the modern educational system / parental advisement structure. ;)

Some of the financial tracking stuff I used to do on an Excel spreadsheet, because I was bored, became so valuable the current agent hired an account because my replacement can't do the work.

So what did I take away from somebody else? Nothing -- all the qualified help in this area are too busy working full time jobs to support their families------------------

IF that is indeed true then no, you haven't taken anything from anyone and I apologize if I offended you. I just thought you were working for peanuts when someone else would have been hired at a much higher salary. THAT'S what starts the eventual downfall of both a business and an entire industry. I've seen it happening in the freelance writing field - there are "content mills" that pay writers something on the order of $2 for a 500-word article, and believe me there is no shortage of "writers" knocking down the doors applying for those positions.

But it cheapens the field and it gives a bad impression to the hiring companies - namely, that ALL writers are cheap. I read these writers' work and I can barely understand what they're saying. A lot of them, because of the global reach of the 'Net, are from third-world countries and have difficulties with the English language, yet they take jobs that would otherwise be available for American - or any OTHER nationality - writers with much more refined skills. It's a no-brainer for those writers, though - making a dollar or two a day is for them luxury wages. As a result the content-mill industry is slowly imploding - it's reached a critical mass of no-talent writers and cannot support any more. Yet the crowd-sourcing phenomenon continues unabated in many other fields ...

THAT'S why I have a knee-jerk reaction to low wages coupled with high talent. :)
 
Believe me, if I had needed to go back to work full time, after moving here, I'd've been after a position suitable for my background and expecting a starting pay scale that would be in keeping with the C.O.L.A. of Middle Tennessee --- with the intent of being able to move upward, if my work would merit such a thing.

It doesn't cost near as much to live here as it did those five years in lived in SoCal. I knew it would cost more when I moved there but Holy Crow, back when I moved there in 1998, they were paying McDonald's help $8/hr and you couldn't survive on that.

My truck isn't 10 years old - it's 25 and still runs "like a top" - lollollol It was 15 when it pulled my horses from the OH/PA border to SoCal. Good thing I was raised on a dairy farm and dad had a wrench in my hand before mom could get the frying pan in it - lol:eek:nthego:

I never was a person to go chasing material stuff, except cars when I worked for General Motors. I have split hot dogs more than once so I didn't have to sell my horses, when times were lean.

Along with dad having the dairy farm and granddad raising beefers & horses, we were a huntin' & big garden family. IF I absolutely had to, I know how to live off the grid, something not too many folks can do these days. We were very poor but I never knew that and I also didn't know how very lucky I was, to have been raised that way, until I was well into adulthood.
 
People could be biased against you because you have too much experience and would be too expensive to hire.
My husband encountered this problem after the financial crisis; he lost his job and reentered the job market but kept being passed over for young people who were new to the field.
He was actually told by someone in HR that this was because his experience meant he would cost much more to hire compared to these young men.

That happened to my husband as well, after we had relocated halfway across the US ten years ago. He had a very hard time finding work, and this was what he was finally told by one of the many places he had applied to for work. Finally, my son (who is a security guard) told him that his place of employment was hiring, and my husband got hired the day he walked in to fill out an application. Since then, he has advanced to a shift supervisor position and is very happy with the work that he does now. It was very frustrating for him though, back when he was looking for work and had quite the hard time. :(
 
When my Grandfather had a stroke and no longer able to work, my Grandmother went to work. Before she was married, she was a tutor but had not worked outside her home, since she got married. The only job she could find in which she was somewhat qualified was teaching a special needs class. (Back in the 1960s, it was not called a 'Special' needs class.) She was 50 years old at the time. She was told that her only requirement as a 'teacher' is to 'babysit' these children. Instead, she taught them how to read, do basic math, how to do somersaults, to enjoy music and art and her class performed in two class plays every year. And every child participated in each play, they each had a special role to perform in the plays. My Grandmother also insisted that her class will go out on field trips, just like every other class. My Grandmother did not retire until she was 72 years old. Every year, for the next ten years she participated and supported the local Special Olympics. When she was 82 years old, she had a stroke, which crippled her and then she had to slow down. For the next 10 years, she still had a special place in her heart for children, ALL children. She passed away when she was 92 years old.
 
Your Grandmother sounds like she was a very kind person Elzee, bless her for teaching those children some important things in life, and supporting the special olympics...may she rest peacefully.:sentimental:
 
That happened to my husband as well, after we had relocated halfway across the US ten years ago. He had a very hard time finding work, and this was what he was finally told by one of the many places he had applied to for work. Finally, my son (who is a security guard) told him that his place of employment was hiring, and my husband got hired the day he walked in to fill out an application. Since then, he has advanced to a shift supervisor position and is very happy with the work that he does now. It was very frustrating for him though, back when he was looking for work and had quite the hard time. :(

Good to hear the success stories! :)
 
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Have you ever applied for a job which you knew you were qualified for / had relevant experience in, but never heard back, and wondered if it was because of your age?

I have had that creeping feeling for several job applications now, including one for a part-time job in an estate agent, which involved escorting potential buyers to house viewings, another was as a receptionist, another as a school assistant. The ensuing silence is something I am getting used to, and I am more certain all the time that I am being screened out because of my age. This can never be proved, of course, but it's a pity for the businesses, in a way, if it is true. They are missing out on the wealth of experience, knowledge and customer empathy which is typical of a mature employee.

Your thoughts?

I've been experiencing the inability to find work that corresponds with my level of expertise. Although, I have worked the past couple of years since I lost my executive level job. I haven't been able to find an opportunity with any potential or anything with a challenge.

I have more experience in my field then the owners of the company but they always hire younger employees regardless of the value proposition I've presented to them.

I find this insulting, actually, and decided to learn how to build an online business. I've just started and not making any money but like any other business, it takes work. I have hopes it will solve my problem because I don't have other options at this stage.
 
On the other side of this question coin -- my husband starts a new job Monday.

He got a "head hunter" phone call from another dealership who knows his reputation and also knows that he has his Master Certification. He will be doing exactly what he's done all his life; he will be starting at the same base pay he is currently receiving. The difference is there was no commission at the old job. They've offered him a decent percentage of the gross sales in his department - not to mention both the physical and mental working conditions will improve 20-Fold.

The drive will be another ten or so miles longer but gas is ten cents a gallon cheaper in that direction.

There's a lot more to the story but all that is applicable for this thread is that Mr. TWHRider is 64, has worked for Ford Motor Company since he was 17 and people with his expertise and certifications are few and far between. He's a workaholic and plans on working either "ten more years or until he drops". The dealership that stole him is a great place to work, the owners are close to our age, so they recognize the importance of "knowlege before youth".
 


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