OneEyedDiva
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We Are Advised to Nurture These 20 Characteristics
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hollydolly
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Oh well, I'm well and truly Fecked... 
Which beliefs are correct and which are incorrect?
Who calculates truth?
What’s considered polite and impolite?
Dress properly?
Who is the one who decides what properly means? Who decides what’s polite and impolite?What truth? Who’s truth? What’s true?
Share love passionately?
Pecos
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I looks like pretty straightforward sensible advice to me. I don’t see anything here that would clash with any religion that I have ever studied.
Lewkat
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Now, let us pass this on to today's generation. They certainly need it.
helenbacque
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How does honor killing fit into this?
AnnieA
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What's the non-religious historical source that shows Muhammad displayed these traits to all people he encountered during his lifetime?
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I don’t find this straightforward at all.
For instance; believe correctly!
What is considered correctly and what’s considered incorrectly?
Doesn’t Act fearlessly clash with many of these points?
Without a sample standard there’s nothing to compare anything with.
AnnieA
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Historically, Muhammad treated people who he didn't think 'believed correctly' pretty horrifically. That sample standard comes from history. This list seems more of how Muslims are to treat other Muslims if you examine how Muhammad actually behaved during his lifetime to a good many people that didn't follow him.
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Ok. Let’s take the ‘dress properly’
What’s proper dress for Muslim women. Some of them cover everything except their eyes and fingers. Others don’t. If they break this suggestion then many of the other rules become senseless or even needless.
I don’t know anything about Muhammad
https://www.learnreligions.com/islamic-clothing-requirements-2004252
Dress
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zpyvxfr/revision/6
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AnnieA
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Muhammad founded the Muslim religion. He started off peaceful, but grew increasingly violent to non-Muslims as the new movement gained converts. Raiding, looting, killing, conquering cities by violence.
Pecos
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All religions seem to have a few dark elements that come to the surface. Speaking as a Christian, I can assure you that Christianity is no exception. Think about all of the "Kool Aid" mass suicides, or the rationalization that has been used to justify some horrific things..
I think that you have started a game of "whataboutism" that misses the point of the entirely innocent start to this thread.
It pains me when I see otherwise good people refuse to even consider that they might learn something of value from another culture or religion. Going into a Dark Hole is not beneficial in any way.
JonDouglas
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I am of the opinion that the topic of religion should be like the topic of politics on this forum (i.e., let's not go there).
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Most of them make sense and some do not. For instance how someone other than my children is none of anyone's opinion but the parents.
I read into the OP a nutshell;
Be Nice
Digging into a religion gets pretty sticky
Mohammad's history is rather rough...if yer not Muslim
I, being an 'infidel', have these Christian beliefs
So, being pals becomes difficult
Still, the point;
Society has lost its way
The Ten Commandments in a nutshell;
Love God
Love your neighbor
I do like those
The Christian premise;
Love your enemies (Matthew 5)
My Lord's words
I pray for that
Every day
It's on my lips as I breathe
Arguing religion?
Good luck with that
And before Christianity there was a lot of smiting in the old testament
And in the new testament?
Those that crucified The Lord had to hurry it up a bit
.......so they could get home and prepare for the sabbath
'Religion'
The cause of many a war
Nathan
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No matter what religion you practice (or don't practice), consider nurturing these traits for your health, well being and getting along better in the world. My middle grandson posted this on his Facebook page today. We Muslims were advised by the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to:
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Pretty much universal code of conduct, regardless of religion.
Some people believe that religion is the worst thing that happened to God. Religion is a man made interpretation of something we don’t really understand and a way to manipulate and profit from us. There is no doubt it works for those with absolute blind faith.
I also understand the theory behind these 20 statements. They are meant to bring out the best in people to be good humans. What I find immensely confusing are ALL the different aspects of religion and how much they clash.
Does God really place such high expectations on humans yet none of ALL the other of his miraculous creations?
Why aren’t butterflies expected to cover up their beautiful wings?
Why aren’t porcupines expected to pull out their quills so they don’t hurt anyone?
Should leopards have so many spots?
What is the accurate amount?
If snowflakes are all allowed to look different and act different, why can’t we?
What about the weather? Why does it get away with being inconsistent and moody yet we aren’t supposed to be?
I don’t personally think God placed all these expectations on us. I think God loves us just the way he loves all his unique creations including the stars and the other planets?
I wonder if intelligent life on other planets have made up their own interpretation of what their creator expects from them and the wrath that follows if they don’t.
In my mind and heart, my creator is loving, kind and forgiving and has no grand expectations of us. The idea of a creator who punishes us for ideas and rules we made up for reasons of our own, isn’t something I can comprehend nor want to.
I believe religion is the worst thing that happened to God . It was humans attempt to understand something that wasn’t meant to be understood intellectually
Lewkat
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I am sure the op simply used this as a generalization for civilized people to consider and follow what applies. I saw no reference to a specific religion nor to a way to dress. In today's society, I have seen some pretty outrageous outfits called dressing up and it is definitely more like dressing down. Simply put, use your common sense as these suggestions imply. Why folks have to take anything out of context and make a big deal out of it, beats me.
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The Mohammed reference is in the last sentence of the OP and the title at the top of the OP chart graphic.
Well there is a religious reference . The reference is Muslim which I’m perfectly ok with. I have nothing against any religion.
I’m simply seeking clarification.
There is a comment about dressing properly?
What’s properly?
Isn’t this ‘usually’ just a personal preference?
However, according to Muslims proper dress doesn’t include shorts. If shorts are so improper, then why are so many of them sold worldwide? In 120 degree weather I expect a few more pairs to be sold soon.
What’s common sense to you might not be common sense to everyone else. In fact, clearly it isn’t or our would wouldn’t be the way it is.
What here is taken out of context?
You have your preferences and understanding of them and I have mine. We both have an equal right to express them in a civilized manner which I believe we have.
If I haven’t I’m willing to learn differently.