British health chiefs have quietly released a warning that Pfizer and Moderna's Covid vaccines may cause heart damage

[hollydolly]

Fears about the mRNA jabs' links to myocarditis have grown in recent weeks, following a string of cases in young adults and children in Israel and the US.

Now the UK's drug watchdog has updated its safety information to accept that the condition is a possible side effect of both vaccines, without a formal announcement.

The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency insists the complication – inflammation of the heart muscle which can damage the organ over time – is still 'extremely rare' and 'typically mild'.

But it wasn't listed as a potential side effect until last week, when the MHRA released its most up-to-date safety surveillance data.

Cardiologists say the benefits of both jabs still clearly outweigh the risks for the vast majority of the population.

However, they say it 'completely changes' the debate about vaccinating children in Britain. They won't get AstraZeneca's jab because of its links to deadly blood clots in young people.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-warnings-Pfizer-Modernas-Covid-vaccines.html

 

[Murrmurr]

Personally, I think it's careless to give children an mRNA vaccine. Technically, it's experimental; no one is certain about long-term and generational effects.

 

[hollydolly]

Personally, I think it's careless to give children an mRNA vaccine. Technically, it's experimental; no one is certain about long-term and generational effects.

it's very experimental..C-19 have made humans the guinea pigs... and every Doctor I've spoken to or watched in debate have said they will not be vaccinating their children

 

[AnnieA]

Personally, I think it's careless to give children an mRNA vaccine. Technically, it's experimental; no one is certain about long-term and generational effects.

I agree. The risk outweighs the benefit for a group that are predominately asymptomatic or very mildly symptomatic when infected. Now that we know vaccinated people still get milder infections, it makes no sense to give younger people the vaccine in the name of herd immunity.

 

[Murrmurr]

it's very experimental..C-19 have made humans the guinea pigs... and every Doctor I've spoken to or watched in debate have said they will not be vaccinating their children

The state school board is debating about requiring kids to be vaccinated before schools reopen. So far they're being told there are legal issues, and they can't require students to get any kind of flu vax.

 

[chic]

it's very experimental..C-19 have made humans the guinea pigs... and every Doctor I've spoken to or watched in debate have said they will not be vaccinating their children

Ditto.

 

[JonDouglas]

Not vaccinating healthy children with an experimental drug was always the sensible thing to do. This whole vaccination scheme was a "ready, fire, aim" shotgun blast using untested projectiles with unknown ballistics. Using healthy children and young people as guinea pigs is unconscionable.

 

[chic]

But in the U. S. some have to be vaccinated to be educated. What can we do to reverse that decision?

 

[Sunny]

But in the U. S. some have to be vaccinated to be educated. What can we do to reverse that decision?

And in the U.S., most educated people have been vaccinated.

 

[hollydolly]

And in the U.S., most educated people have been vaccinated.

wow!! .. I think there's a lot of people who are educated enough to know when NOT to get vaccinated ... for many reasons, and some of those are to do with their health... some are because they already carry immunity..having had the virus already and that includes doctors themselves.. and some because they realise this vaccine has not been tested enough before they can accept it into their bodies......not everyone are sheep.... and not everyone who's not had the vaccine are unintelligent...

 

[JonDouglas]

And in the U.S., most educated people have been vaccinated.

And your data/metrics are what - if you got the jab, you're automatically educated but otherwise not? To add to what @hollydolly said, I know a good number of highly intelligent people who've chosen not to be vaccinated. I have also known some highly educated people who're dumber than stumps.

 

[hollydolly]

And your data/metrics are what - if you got the jab, you're automatically educated but otherwise not? To add to what @hollydolly said, I know a good number of highly intelligent people who've chosen not to be vaccinated. I have also known some highly educated people who're dumber than stumps.

Ditto....

 

[win231]

And in the U.S., most educated people have been vaccinated.

Put Down Artists often have low self esteem.

 

[win231]

And in the U.S., most educated people have been vaccinated.

Sometimes people need to flatter themselves because no one else will.

 

[AnnieA]

And in the U.S., most educated people have been vaccinated.

Speaking personally, I'm not vaccinated because I am educated. My education helped me understand peer reviewed research studies that show I'm at risk of exacerbating pre-existing health conditions by putting an mRNA delivered substance into my body.

 

[hollydolly]

Speaking personally, I'm not vaccinated because I am educated. My education helped me understand peer reviewed research studies that show I'm at risk of exacerbating pre-existing health conditions by putting an mRNA delivered substance into my body.

Precisely that ^^^^

 

[Becky1951]

And your data/metrics are what - if you got the jab, you're automatically educated but otherwise not? To add to what @hollydolly said, I know a good number of highly intelligent people who've chosen not to be vaccinated. I have also known some highly educated people who're dumber than stumps.

Reminds me of a friend of mine who's son is highly educated, degrees up the ying yang hanging on the wall. She laughs and says, "all those degrees and not a lick of sense."

 

[JonDouglas]

Reminds me of a friend of mine who's son is highly educated, degrees up the ying yang hanging on the wall. She laughs and says, "all those degrees and not a lick of sense."

College degrees only prove you can pass tests and/or please your thesis advisor. Seriously good memory skills can take you far up the education ladder but not help you apply and/or get creative with what you've memorized. Fortunately, people are beginning to learn that there's no medical "silver bullet" for influenza strains and those who advocate there are should be viewed with suspicion.

 

[chic]

wow!! .. I think there's a lot of people who are educated enough to know when NOT to get vaccinated ... for many reasons, and some of those are to do with their health... some are because they already carry immunity..having had the virus already and that includes doctors themselves.. and some because they realise this vaccine has not been tested enough before they can accept it into their bodies......not everyone are sheep.... and not everyone who's not had the vaccine hare unintelligent...

I agree with @hollydolly. Enough of maligning folks for whom this vaccine isn't right; it's not a one size fits all kind of world. And what of those who cannot take the vaccine for medical reasons? Are they automatically to be considered imbeciles? Not true.

 

[win231]

I agree with @hollydolly. Enough of maligning folks for whom this vaccine isn't right; it's not a one size fits all kind of world. And what of those who cannot take the vaccine for medical reasons? Are they automatically to be considered imbeciles? Not true.

LOL - it's that old "I'm smarter'n you 'cuz I did this & you didn't" complex.

 

[Sunny]

There was a detailed analysis last week in the paper about the areas of the U.S. that had the highest rate of vaccination, and the lowest rate of death from Covid. There was indisputably a much higher number of those who had received the vaccination in the urban centers and areas surrounding colleges, research facilities, and so on. The areas with the lowest rates of vaccination (although the scientists are pleading with people to get the free, life-saving vaccine) are uniformly the rural, conservative, less educated areas. That's just the facts.

If some of the anti-vaxxers are refusing the vaccine because of medical conditions that preclude it, it's strange that most of them seem to live in the rural, conservative, fearful states. It couldn't be more clear that there is a connection between education and taking care of one's health.

And yes, I realize that some people probably do have such medical conditions. But we're talking about millions of people here, and most of those millions are refusing the vaccine for other reasons.

 

[John cycling]

It couldn't be more clear that there is a connection between education and taking care of one's health.

Anyone who thinks injecting poison in their body is going to make them healthy is not very bright.

 

[chic]

Anyone who thinks injecting poison in their body is going to make them healthy is not very bright.

Whether it's poison or not, I cannot say. But many do die from the vaccine or have a serious reaction to it, including young people which is really irresponsible. This vaccine is experimental and I would, after considering everything and this is no easy decision, prefer NOT to have an experimental drug injected into me. One day when more is known about it I may feel differently. This is the hardest decision of a lifetime and not one to be rushed into.

 

[Becky1951]

"If some of the anti-vaxxers are refusing the vaccine because of medical conditions that preclude it"

If they have medical conditions that prevent being vaccinated why are you calling them "anti-vaxxers"?

"There was indisputably a much higher number of those who had received the vaccination in the urban centers and areas surrounding colleges, research facilities, and so on."

So only educated people live in urban area and around colleges and medical facilities?

Only uneducated people live in rural conservative areas? And fearful states? Fearful states??? What is a fearful state? Which states exactly are those ones?

"The areas with the lowest rates of vaccination (although the scientists are pleading with people to get the free, life-saving vaccine) are uniformly the rural, conservative, less educated areas."

How can anyone assume that just because a person lives in rural area or a conservative state that they are "uneducated? How can anyone assume that living near a collage or research facility or in an urban area means those people are educated?
Did those doing the "detailed analysis" go door to door asking for their degrees? If not then its not a very detailed analysis is it?

 

[terry123]

Reminds me of a friend of mine who's son is highly educated, degrees up the ying yang hanging on the wall. She laughs and says, "all those degrees and not a lick of sense."

Yes I have a nephew like that. Even his mother says that to me. Love him bunches but the poor thing has no common sense!