Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?

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From IsraelNationalNews:

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.​
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Health Ministry data on the wave of COVID outbreaks which began this May show that Israelis with immunity from natural infection were far less likely to become infected again in comparison to Israelis who only had immunity via vaccination.​
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More at source.​
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If natural immunity gives more protection, why the intense, nearly insane, push to isolate and vaccinate people who are not at risk?

Edit Update: Thanks, @Devi. I had forgotten to add it but made the correction above.
 

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JonDouglas said:
From IsraelNationalNews:

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.​
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Health Ministry data on the wave of COVID outbreaks which began this May show that Israelis with immunity from natural infection were far less likely to become infected again in comparison to Israelis who only had immunity via vaccination.​
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More at source.​
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If natural immunity gives more protection, why the intense, nearly insane, push to isolate and vaccinate people who are not at risk?
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What? Who is not at risk of catching this virus?

Because if you get Covid and are vaccinated you will be less sick and have a greater chance of living though the infection.
 
Aneeda: Got it.

I guess I'm not so much at risk because I've already had it, as has my husband. This was way before there was any vaccine.

Me: elderly, ::cough:: not so slim, and diabetic. Still here to tell the tale (it took three weeks, but wasn't all that bad).

Not saying that that will be anyone else's experience; just sayin'.
 
Aneeda72 said:
I disagree
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There would seem to be some type of powerful force involved, given how the politicians in the U.S. have given orders that clearly violate the constitution (e.g., freedom of speech, assembly, travel, etc.) as well as common sense. The bigger problem may be the electorate who let them do it out of fear. It seems folks forgot H1N1 and how we managed to get through it without all this folderol and without crippling the economy and bringing on inflation and shortages.
 
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Everything I've read or heard about this says that the vaccine is MUCH more effective against the disease than natural immunity (from having recovered from the disease). And of course, many who get the disease are "recovering" in the grave.

Devi, sounds like you've been incredibly lucky. There are also people who spend their lives smoking like chimneys, and somehow they never get lung cancer. So, what does that prove? We have to go by the numbers.

JonDouglas, sounds to me like you are the one spewing fear, not the scientists and health workers who are trying to save your life. This vaccine is almost 100% safe, and very effective in preventing a horrifying and too often, fatal illness. That's the important point to focus on, not all this politically or economically motivated blather.
 
Sunny said:
How precocious of you, Becky, to know what someone else "will claim" before they've claimed it. In the old days, when there were circus acts, you would have been a big hit!
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I could be considering your the one putting on the circus. You refuse to believe anything posted negative regarding these vaccines.

Instead of reading the article and considering it might be true, your response was "Everything I've read or heard about this says that the vaccine is MUCH more effective against the disease than natural immunity (from having recovered from the disease)."

Obviously you haven't read enough.
 
You couldn't be more wrong, Becky. But dealing with the facts doesn't seem to be important to you.

Earlier this week, I saw on the news something about the level of immunity being much less reliable in unvaccinated people who had recovered from the disease. They had some immunity, but the vaccine was better. This article seems to be saying the opposite, at least in Israel. I have no idea which finding is correct. It could be that two different samples of patients yielded different results. Or as Don M. said, the percentage of difference is too small to be significant; it could vary day by day. Or maybe that politics has gotten in the way of the facts? With any ideas promulgated by the rabid anti-vaxxers, anything they claim is subject to a certain level of mistrust. They brought that on themselves.

In any case, you and your cohorts will believe what you have been programmed to believe; I'm out of this discussion, as it makes no difference at all to me. Thank God, I and my beloved family and friends are all vaccinated, and unless a horrible new variant pops up, I feel reasonably safe. Nearly everyone in my large condo building (all seniors) are vaccinated, and have happily returned to normal life. Last night our party room was bursting with people happily enjoying various games, and many were saying how wonderful it was to return to normal living.

I feel very sorry for the people in other parts of the world who are desperate to get the vaccine, and there is none available to them. And in most of those places, their death rate from Covid is enormous. So, where did the "natural immunity" fit in?
 
"Thank God, I and my beloved family and friends are all vaccinated, and unless a horrible new variant pops up"

It's already here. The Delta variant is causing breakthrough cases, and the numbers are rising here. Hospitalizations and deaths are rising due to it with breakthrough cases.
😪😪😪😪😪

The point of natural immunity is those who have had Covid have better immunity then those who were vaccinated.
 
Becky1951 said:
"Thank God, I and my beloved family and friends are all vaccinated, and unless a horrible new variant pops up"

It's already here. The Delta variant is causing breakthrough cases, and the numbers are rising here. Hospitalizations and deaths are rising due to it with breakthrough cases.
😪😪😪😪😪

The point of natural immunity is those who have had Covid have better immunity then those who were vaccinated.
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It may be important to restate that getting the vaccine neither prevents you from getting covid nor giving it to others. It will reduce the probability of each and ease the degree of illness should you contract it. It is also wise to remember that the states that didn't lock down and mask up did no worse than the states that did and, in some cases, did better. There's no silver bullet here that will stop covid in its tracks. When covid fades away, there will be another strain/variant/whatever. Being in reasonably good health for my age, my strategy was to vaccinate with something less experimental and combine with gaining some natural immunity by being out and around. So far, so good.
 
JonDouglas said:
From IsraelNationalNews:

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.​
​
Health Ministry data on the wave of COVID outbreaks which began this May show that Israelis with immunity from natural infection were far less likely to become infected again in comparison to Israelis who only had immunity via vaccination.​
​
More at source.​
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If natural immunity gives more protection, why the intense, nearly insane, push to isolate and vaccinate people who are not at risk?

Edit Update: Thanks, @Devi. I had forgotten to add it but made the correction above.
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Since you have to contract the virus to gain the "natural immunity" the problem is all those people who will not recover and die.* We are trying to prevent more needless deaths. We're over 624,000 deaths just in the US. If a vaccination will save hundreds of thousands of deaths then I'm willing to help by being vaccinated and wearing a mask. Simple as that.

* And to me it doesn't matter that most of the people dying are over the median life expectancy—in reference to a point you seemed to be trying to make in another thread.
 
Granny B. said:
Since you have to contract the virus to gain the "natural immunity" the problem is all those people who will not recover and die.* We are trying to prevent more needless deaths. We're over 624,000 deaths just in the US. If a vaccination will save hundreds of thousands of deaths then I'm willing to help by being vaccinated and wearing a mask. Simple as that.

* And to me it doesn't matter that most of the people dying are over the median life expectancy—in reference to a point you seemed to be trying to make in another thread.
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All I care to say about here is that it's now proven that covid deaths were greatly overstated and pre-existing conditions and immunity ignored. This flu outbreak is really no scarier than any of the others (e.g., swine-flu, avian flu, Spanish flu, H1N1). It's just been hyped to death and people have bought into the idea that its the pandemic of the ages. It isn't. Some starter information on natural immunity HERE.
 
Don M. said:
That's if they Didn't die. There are over 4 million...world wide....who are Very well protected as they lie in their graves.
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Yes if course. However those who have recovered from Covid have better immunity then those who got vaccinated. Good news for those people don't you think? I think so.

That was the point of the article.

"Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?"​

 
Sunny said:
This vaccine is almost 100% safe, and very effective in preventing a horrifying and too often, fatal illness.
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The statement is false. Do you have a "Crystal Ball" on telling you what the side effects will be years down the road with these new vaccines? Please tell me how do you know the future that it will be almost 100% safe.
 
Sunny said:
Earlier this week, I saw on the news something about
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The big pharma controlled news, which is where you get all your "scientific" information. 🙄

Don M. said:
There are over 4 million...world wide....who are Very well protected as they lie in their graves.
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That's a pharma controlled media lie and not true.

The truth is that no one has died from a virus. <--
But many people have died throughout history who were injected with poisonous vaccinations. <--

Both of you are so brainwashed that you can't see the truth when it smacks you in the face.
"Oh no, the truth is a wrong conclusion!" you mindlessly sputter, completely unable to think for yourselves.
 
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Becky1951 said:
Yes if course. However those who have recovered from Covid have better immunity then those who got vaccinated. Good news for those people don't you think? I think so.

That was the point of the article.

"Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?"​

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Let's also not forget that a good number of people went into this "pandemic" with various degrees of natural immunity already present. Let's also not forget that social and mental conditions play an important part in the immune system.
 
John cycling said:
That's a pharma controlled media lie and not true.

The truth is that no one has died from a virus. <--
But many people have died throughout history who were injected with poisonous vaccinations. <--
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Now, I understand your "position". If this is an example of where you get your information, I can understand your seemingly totally wrong conclusions. You would be better off accepting Tweets on Twitter as the truth.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/99ZX4vva3of0/
 
JonDouglas said:
There would seem to be some type of powerful force involved, given how the politicians in the U.S. have given orders that clearly violate the constitution (e.g., freedom of speech, assembly, travel, etc.) as well as common sense. The bigger problem may be the electorate who let them do it out of fear. It seems folks forgot H1N1 and how we managed to get through it without all this folderol and without crippling the economy and bringing on inflation and shortages.
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I don’t think you can compare virus to virus. I don’t see any violation to the constitution but then, I am not a constitutional expert. We will get through this but we will be missing a great many people. I supposed to be honest I will say while the deaths of all these people, world wide saddens me, I am ok cause MY family is fully vaccinated and everyone is ok.

I am going to start wearing a mask again indoors, though. The delta Covid-19 virus risk is just too high to ignore.
 

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