NYC Cops turn their backs on Mayor during eulogy

The police have their spokespeople who can tackle the Mayor behind closed doors.
There are ways and means that a disciplined group like the police and the military can settle differences with the command structure.
What we don't know is whether these methods have already been tried.
 
Politics at a funeral-ick. Protest at a funeral-double ick. This police force actions are approaching that of the Westboro Baptist Church that will protest anything, anywhere anytime including burial at a cemetery. Even the police union head said last week when asked questions said funeral now debate later ie no comment.

This is a question of loyalty but loyalty just like respect is earned over time. You can't demand either. Once you are demanding it you've already lost the battle.
 
I can't believe it. For once I am in complete agreement. Until the new mayor put a stop to it, cops in NY could stop and frisk any one they wanted completely violating their civil rights. Now "Bloombergs private army" is still trying to call the shots (pun intended)
 
Maybe the police force should be asking themselves the hard question: like why their mayor feels the need to caution his bi-racial son on how to behave when dealing with the cops!
 
The police have their spokespeople who can tackle the Mayor behind closed doors.
There are ways and means that a disciplined group like the police and the military can settle differences with the command structure.
What we don't know is whether these methods have already been tried.

Yes I agree.
However the Mayor's remarks that lead to this were not behind closed doors either.



I would like to ask you to read this http://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-york-police-officers-salute-mayor-bill-de-blasio-at-cops-wake/
 
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However the Mayor's remarks that lead to this were not behind closed doors either.
Plenty of blame on both sides.

He is an elected politician and is called on to speak in public, especially in times of crisis.

Here is an account (not verbatim) of what he said and I can't really fault him.
Should he put the feelings of the police above the safety of his son, or should he bite his tongue and not refer to the fears of parents of dark skinned children?

Bill De Blasio Expresses Concern For The Safety Of His Biracial Son

The Huffington Post
By Lilly Workneh
Posted: 12/04/201

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New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, Chirlane McCray, Chiara de Blasio and Dante de Blasio stand for the national anthem at a welcome ceremony during a visit to Mayor de Blasio's grandmother's town on July 24, 2014 in Grassano, Italy. | Giovanni Marino via Getty Images

The recent non-indictments in the police killings of Eric Garner and Michael Brown, both unarmed black males, have led to a national conversation about the dangers of simply being alive while black -- a concern that New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio says he shares on a very personal level.

De Blasio addressed the nation in a live press conference Wednesday shortly after a grand jury announced its decision not to indict NYPD Officer Daniel Pantaleo, who placed Garner in a prohibited police chokehold during an attempted arrest on July 17, killing him.
In his remarks Wednesday, the mayor, who is white, mentioned his son Dante, who is 16 and biracial. He spoke about the dangers Dante may face when interacting with police.

"This is profoundly personal to me," de Blasio said. "I was at the White House the other day, and the president of the United States turned to me, and he met Dante a few months ago, and he said that Dante reminded him of what he looked like as a teenager. And he said, 'I know you see this crisis through a very personal lens.' And I said to him, I did."

De Blasio went on to note that he and his wife, Chirlane McCray, who is black, "have had to talk to Dante for years about the dangers that he may face."

The mayor described his son as "a good young man, [a] law-abiding young man who would never think to do anything wrong" -- but he noted that "because of a history that still hangs over us, the dangers he may face, we've had to literally train him, as families have all over this city for decades, in how to take special care in any encounter he has with the police officers who are there to protect him."

De Blasio's remarks echoed the anxiety many families feel as police tactics across the country grow increasingly militarized and as officers continue to exercise lethal force on black men, women and children.

The mayor described "that painful sense of contradiction that our young people see first, that our police are here to protect us, and we honor that, and at the same time, there's a history we have to overcome."

"For so many of our young people, there's a fear," de Blasio said. "And for so many of our families, there's a fear."
He's talking about people being afraid of the police and afraid for the safety of their children at the hands of the police. Perhaps the police need to critically assess their interactions with the public, especially young coloured males. Community policing requires a very different approach that has benefits further down the track.
 
He is an elected politician and is called on to speak in public, especially in times of crisis.

Here is an account (not verbatim) of what he said and I can't really fault him.
Should he put the feelings of the police above the safety of his son, or should he bite his tongue and not refer to the fears of parents of dark skinned children?


He's talking about people being afraid of the police and afraid for the safety of their children at the hands of the police. Perhaps the police need to critically assess their interactions with the public, especially young coloured males. Community policing requires a very different approach that has benefits further down the track.

I honestly believe he is speaking for political gain. He knew better. Eric Garner was resisting arrest, he had a criminal record and the cops were there in response to a call. The autopsy revealed no evidence of a chokehold and listed other medical conditions that contributed to his death. The police did not go looking for a black man to take down. As mayor he had to know this.
 
I don't know anything about the Eric Garner case. I have found this video of his arrest.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ant-breathe-eric-garner-chokehold-death-video

Why were the police wanting to arrest him?
Does anyone know why the grand jury didn't indict anyone over his death?

We had a similar case over here where a foreign student affected by LSD stole two packets of biscuits and then ran from police.

He died after being tasered and sprayed with capsicum and held down by seven police officers.
The state Coroner recommended that officers be charged.

Roberto Laudisio Curti, 21, died on Pitt Street in the early hours of March 18, 2012, following a chase by, and violent struggle with, 11 police officers, many of whom were acting on incorrect reports of an armed robbery.

He had earlier jumped the counter of a convenience store in an LSD-induced psychotic state and left with two packets of biscuits. The talented football player had been out in Kings Cross celebrating a win with friends but ended up roaming the city's streets on his own in a paranoid, sweaty state.

Two police officers spotted him wandering down Pitt Street and tried to speak to him before he ran off. More officers joined the chase and eventual restraint.

Tasers were fired up to 14 times - nine of which hit Mr Curti - and he was restrained by seven officers using three cans of OC spray, two sets of handcuffs, a police baton and "half a tonne" of officers, an inquest heard last October.

State Coroner Mary Jerram stopped short of recommending criminal charges and instead referred the matter to the Police Integrity Commission when she handed down scathing findings.

The Police Integrity Commission referred an extensive brief of evidence to the Director of Public Prosecutions in May, recommending that some of the officers be charged. On Friday, the DPP advised the PIC that there was sufficient evidence to charge four of the officers.

It is expected that Senior Constable Scott Edmondson and Constable Daniel Barling will be charged with assault occasioning actual bodily harm and Senior Constable Eric Lim and Senior Constable Damien Ralph will be charged with the lesser offence of common assault. Senior Constable Edmondson Tasered Mr Curti twice in the back as he lay on the ground resisting arrest and was one of five officers picked out by Ms Jerram for their "reckless, careless, dangerous and excessively forceful" actions. Constable Barling was also chastised for Tasering Mr Curti five times in "drive stun" mode whereby the Taser is pressed against the skin rather than shot from afar.

Senior Constable Ralph used three partial cans of capsicum spray on Mr Curti, possibly as close as 10 centimetres from his face, while several police officers were on top of him. Senior Constable Lim told the inquest that he tried to tackle Mr Curti twice but, considering he weighed just 55 kilograms, fired his Taser once to bring Mr Curti to the ground and another time when Mr Curti was on the ground in handcuffs.

Ms Jerram found that the police officers acted "like schoolboys in Lord of the Flies" and their "thuggish" actions contributed to the death of Mr Curti. It is expected that the DPP will lay the charges in the next week and the four officers will appear before a court in the new year.
NSW Police said "appropriate interim management action remains in place for the officers concerned".

"As there are legal proceedings under way, it's inappropriate to comment further," a spokesman said.
The four officers recommended for charges have remained on duty since the incident but had their Tasers taken from them following the PIC referral. They were still authorised to carry guns but had to attend and successfully complete new Taser training to be "re-accredited".

The trial is not over yet but one way or the other I hope justice for the accused and the deceased with be delivered. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-17/police-officers-on-trial-over-brazilian-students-death/5896676

Every death in custody should be very carefully examined. I'm not in a position to judge the Eric Garner case because I haven't heard any of the evidence put before the Grand Jury. Perhaps someone could fill this knowledge gap ?
 
I don't know anything about the Eric Garner case. I have found this video of his arrest.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ant-breathe-eric-garner-chokehold-death-video

Why were the police wanting to arrest him?
Does anyone know why the grand jury didn't indict anyone over his death?

We had a similar case over here where a foreign student affected by LSD stole two packets of biscuits and then ran from police.

He died after being tasered and sprayed with capsicum and held down by seven police officers.
The state Coroner recommended that officers be charged.



The trial is not over yet but one way or the other I hope justice for the accused and the deceased with be delivered. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-17/police-officers-on-trial-over-brazilian-students-death/5896676

Every death in custody should be very carefully examined. I'm not in a position to judge the Eric Garner case because I haven't heard any of the evidence put before the Grand Jury. Perhaps someone could fill this knowledge gap ?

Nothing to fill in.. You saw the Video... People are convinced he was resisting arrest.. In other words.. Are you going to believe what you are told told happened... OR are you going to believe your lying eyes..? New York Grand Jury investigations cannot be made public so we will never know.. I only know that selling loose cigarettes from a pack does not carry a death sentence.. And that he was murdered... on camera.. and the cops got away with it.
 
He was resisting arrest by saying "Don't touch me". He was agitated but wasn't being aggressive.
Then he was seized by the neck from behind and dragged down. Then he died.

That's death in custody over here and requires a coronial inquiry.
 
He was resisting arrest by saying "Don't touch me". He was agitated but wasn't being aggressive.
Then he was seized by the neck from behind and dragged down. Then he died.

That's death in custody over here and requires a coronial inquiry.

AFTER telling them ELEVEN times that he couldn't breathe. That's just Tuesday here..
 


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