OK, Who Decides What Is or Isn't A Reputable Site for Covid Information.

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Having just read the Disclaimer and Remindcer posted by Matrix, I am wondering about any future participation here. First, the CDC, as mentioned by Matrix is NOT a reliable source of information. It is politically driven and motivated and the extent to which they have changed their counting rules should have been a clue to anyone paying attention. Fauci certainly isn't a reputable source of information given is continual flip-flopping, spinning and lying. Privately owned sites certain have the right to impose censorship, just as we have the right to censor them in return with our participation. This post may get me banned but it may also tell me the answer to my question.
 

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JonDouglas said:
it should also tell me the answer to my question
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Not likely, there is no simple answer to your question.

I tend to rely more on sites that post data than opinions or interpretations alone. I think the CDC data is useful, but some of their statements are less so. And even sites that present data can be suspect. I try to use a combination of common sense and reliance on real data to the extent I can find it... I do my best to ignore what seems to me to be pure political spin and sort through the rest.
 
Alligatorob said:
Not likely, there is no simple answer to your question.

I tend to rely more on sites that post data than opinions or interpretations alone. I think the CDC data is useful, but some of their statements are less so. And even sites that present data can be suspect. I try to use a combination of common sense and reliance on real data to the extent I can find it... I do my best to ignore what seems to me to be pure political spin and sort through the rest.
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I find the CDC data about as useful as tits on a bull. If you want real data, you have to dig for it. To that end here are some sources from which you can load up your spreadsheet and search for truth (or spin the data to whatever narrative you wish).

Places to mine for U.S; data.
Places to mine for international data:
This is what freedom of information is all about and your going to have to dig for it, not being told by some admin that political pablum from places like the CDC is all that's allowed.
 

WhatInThe said:
Who checks the fact checkers?

Who does have the final or last say actually because 'information' seems to change, develop or be revealed with regularity
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In the case of this and other sites, it's the owners, most of whom have their own agendas. You do need to be aware that some forums can be "shadow sites" for some hidden organization with different role (i.e., collect information) or agenda. Limiting info sources is a clue.
 
WhatInThe said:
Who checks the fact checkers?
Who does have the final or last say actually because 'information' seems to change, develop or be revealed with regularity
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The head "fact checkers" have been shown to be Vaccination companies executives.
Thus, the fact checking is a profit driven, political organization, NOT one based on truth, science, nor health concerns.

The CDC and WHO were also formed and are controlled by those profit driven organizations.
The "reminder" message is thus also a political statement, not one based on truth, science nor health concerns.
 
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John cycling said:
The head "fact checkers" have been shown to be Vaccination companies executives.
Thus, the fact checking is a profit driven, political organization, NOT one based on truth, science, nor health concerns.

The CDC and WHO were also formed and are controlled by those profit driven organizations.
The "reminder" message is thus also a poltical statement, not one based on truth, science nor health concerns.
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One only needs to look at who (no pun intended) is funding the CDC foundation, which does have a long reach into a lot of things.
 
Some additional remembrances of the CDC:

The Atlantic: ‘How Could the CDC Make That Mistake?’ (RE: conflating viral and antibody tests, compromising a few crucial metrics that governors depend on to reopen their economies)​
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Business Insider: Why The CDC Data is Bad​
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The CDC as a valid source? It's quite political, as are most governmental bureaucracies but even more so given who's funding the shadow foundation.
 
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Alligatorob said:
Not likely, there is no simple answer to your question.

I tend to rely more on sites that post data than opinions or interpretations alone. I think the CDC data is useful, but some of their statements are less so. And even sites that present data can be suspect. I try to use a combination of common sense and reliance on real data to the extent I can find it... I do my best to ignore what seems to me to be pure political spin and sort through the rest.
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I agree. I don't feel WHO and the CDC are covid gospels anymore. Living in a covid ridden world for 18 months changes a person's perspective as it should do because science is fluid.
 
Honestly I don't believe anything I read about the Covid. I only believe that my nephew who has been in the hospital since November with the covid and had a double lung transplant and has been on and off ventilators, that covid exists. So I wear a mask when I go out and I got a vaccine. Hubby and I don't even mingle with friends or family.
 
Frankly, I'm so tired of hearing about Covid, Covid, Covid I'm beginning not to care anymore about numbers or who is saying what. I will live my life and if I catch it I catch it. Humans have been dealing with viruses and plagues since the beginning of humankind. It's how our bodies were designed.

I don't know why people think that a death from Covid is the worst death in the history of the planet. There have been a lot worse events in human history and here we still are.
 
I believe in the science and I trust Dr. Fauci even when others don't. Things change and data changes. I trust the Department of Health here in Harris County in Texas. I see what is going on around me and the Hospitals here in the Med Center are full of covid patients and they are the ones who did not get the shots. If you have a heart attack or stroke here in Houston you are screwed as there are few ICU beds available as the covid patients have them. I just change the channel now when the daily hospital updates come on because I know what they are going to say.
 
The only provable facts/absolutes about this virus are that it is real, it is highly contagious and it can be deadly or life altering. All else is conjecture, someones best guess. It's natural that 'best guesses' change as death and severe illness statistics change daily.

Unfortunately, it has been used as a political tool and to further personal agendas from the beginning and that continues to this day.
 
JonDouglas said:
Having just read the Disclaimer and Remindcer posted by Matrix, I am wondering about any future participation here. First, the CDC, as mentioned by Matrix is NOT a reliable source of information. It is politically driven and motivated and the extent to which they have changed their counting rules should have been a clue to anyone paying attention. Fauci certainly isn't a reputable source of information given is continual flip-flopping, spinning and lying. Privately owned sites certain have the right to impose censorship, just as we have the right to censor them in return with our participation. This post may get me banned but it may also tell me the answer to my question.
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Yes, there is no "right" to disseminate misleading statements in a private setting. Your opinion is precious to you, not so much to others.
 
There is NO reputable site for COVID information anywhere in the world since for all countries the economy is more important than a few (or not a few) thousands dying.

The only facts one can rely on:
1. COVID kills.
2. COVID is contagious
3. The more protection one takes the more chances one and the people in one's environment will survive this.
 
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terry123 said:
I believe in the science and I trust Dr. Fauci even when others don't. Things change and data changes. I trust the Department of Health here in Harris County in Texas. I see what is going on around me and the Hospitals here in the Med Center are full of covid patients and they are the ones who did not get the shots. If you have a heart attack or stroke here in Houston you are screwed as there are few ICU beds available as the covid patients have them. I just change the channel now when the daily hospital updates come on because I know what they are going to say.
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Just for kicks, I took a look at the Aug 3 hospital data in DC. and hospital stats show about 1.5% were covid cases. Looking at Texas Medical Center data, it shows only 17% of the hospital beds are for covid patients. What am I missing here?
 
this Covid virus, just like all other extant organisms, has the biological imperative to perpetuate itself,. In order to do that, it needs a host. Well, guess what, folks? We, genus Homo / species Sapien are the hosts.

This virus doesn't care if your eight or eighty. This virus doesn't really care about ethnicities; nor does it care about geo-political boundaries. All it needs is a safe place to land in order to carry on...

Understanding the science, is understanding the necessity...
 
SmoothSeas said:
this Covid virus, just like all other extant organisms, has the biological imperative to perpetuate itself,. In order to do that, it needs a host. Well, guess what, folks? We, genus Homo / species Sapien are the hosts.

This virus doesn't care if your eight or eighty. This virus doesn't really care about ethnicities; nor does it care about geo-political boundaries. All it needs is a safe place to land in order to carry on...

Understanding the science, is understanding the necessity...
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Would that be the science that said vaccination would prevent people from getting or spreading covid or the science that said it would probably help you cope with covid?
 
JonDouglas said:
Would that be the science that said vaccination would prevent people from getting or spreading covid or the science that said it would probably help you cope with covid?
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Whether we like it or not science (and scientists) have to deal with something totally new to them. They are bound to make wrong turns here and there and they have no tool to go by other than statistics of people getting sick/getting vaccinated/not getting vaccinated etc.

Besides all of the above the virus itself is "trying to survive" (or evolution is doing it for it). So the facts change on a daily basis. The vaccine that is/was good for that variant may not be suitable for another variant.

Cancer has been around for ages and what is announced today to be carcinogenic, tomorrow may not be and vice versa. This is science. And it is based on experimentation and reporting. It's not faith....
 
JonDouglas said:
Having just read the Disclaimer and Remindcer posted by Matrix, I am wondering about any future participation here. First, the CDC, as mentioned by Matrix is NOT a reliable source of information. It is politically driven and motivated and the extent to which they have changed their counting rules should have been a clue to anyone paying attention. Fauci certainly isn't a reputable source of information given is continual flip-flopping, spinning and lying. Privately owned sites certain have the right to impose censorship, just as we have the right to censor them in return with our participation. This post may get me banned but it may also tell me the answer to my question.
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Jon,

I had much the same reaction as you. I have little faith in most government information. The government’s track record for competence is dreadful. Unlike commercial businesses, it faces no competitive pressure to improve and serve its customers well. Throw in politically driven agendas and you have the perfect storm for misinformation.

I hope you don’t get banned. I find your posts and insights to be quite helpful.

Oscar
 
JonDouglas said:
Attack time, again, Nathan? Do you even bother looking at the references I list or is it they don't fit your political views?
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Here you go once again with the "victim" thing. I suppose you're going to call me a troll too? With you preoccupation to tar & feather Fauci, and attempted discrediting of the CDC or any other knowledgeable source I'm suprised you haven't reached out and contacted them to discuss your misgivings...I'm sure they would love to hear from you.
You got your vaccine, why beat a dead horse?
 
CAKCy said:
Whether we like it or not science (and scientists) have to deal with something totally new to them. They are bound to make wrong turns here and there and they have no tool to go by other than statistics of people getting sick/getting vaccinated/not getting vaccinated etc.

Besides all of the above the virus itself is "trying to survive" (or evolution is doing it for it). So the facts change on a daily basis. The vaccine that is/was good for that variant may not be suitable for another variant.

Cancer has been around for ages and what is announced today to be carcinogenic, tomorrow may not be and vice versa. This is science. And it is based on experimentation and reporting. It's not faith....
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Sorry, this isn't the first covid scientists have dealt with, Here's a little history, given that getting fasts out of China is problematic:

Scientists first identified a human coronavirus in 1965. It caused a common cold. Later that decade, researchers found a group of similar human and animal viruses and named them after their crown-like appearance.​
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Seven coronaviruses can infect humans. The one that causes SARS emerged in southern China in 2002 and quickly spread to 28 other countries. More than 8,000 people were infected by July 2003, and 774 died. A small outbreak in 2004 involved only four more cases. This coronavirus causes fever, headache, and respiratory problems such as cough and shortness of breath.​
 

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