We're All Gonna Die - NOT!

JonDouglas

JonDouglas

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Interesting stuff from FEE: Despite ‘Delta’ Alarmism, US COVID Deaths Are at Lowest Level Since March 2020, Harvard and Stanford Professors Explain. The article has an interesting chart, courtesy of John Hopkins (in case report button punchers don't like the FEE source).

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In thinking about this, consider the fact that not all deaths counted as covid are actually due to covid. Also, the two things that really tell you about the potential risk are rates of (1) deaths and (2) hospital beds occupied by covid-diagnosed patients, Looking at the chart, you can see that the death rate in the peak flu season of 2021 was only 10 per million. How does that compare with flu seasons past? Rising new case rates would seem to be most useful for scaring people into some behavior pattern. From the article:

Many COVID-19 cases recorded as positive are either asymptomatic or come with very mild symptoms—especially the cases confirmed among vaccinated individuals—so high case counts are not necessarily proof of a serious problem. ​
 

"Data Torturing" Meaning:
In plain English, this means that study data, if manipulated in enough different ways, can be made to prove whatever the investigator wants to prove. ... When this process goes beyond reasonable interpretation of the facts, it becomes data torturing.
 
Back around the turn of the century (2000) I had got myself into conspiracy mode. I had reams of paper with so-called facts and data. I stopped one day and asked myself, "WHY!!!' I realized how much time had been wasted on the effort. So I just gathered up everything and dumped it all. It hasn't changed much since then but I'm sleeping better. I have also started using the ignore button and that helps my stress level.
 
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Nathan said:
What is the desired "some behavior pattern" , who are these people doing this? What purpose?

Ah, sales of tinfoil hats are rather brisk these days, a lot of conspiracy buffs out there, huh?
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You seem to be up on tinfoil hats again, Nathan. Got any data or references to support anything you say or do you just avoid things of substance?
 
feywon said:
Thought the implication of legitimate health concerns as fear-mongering warranted it.
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Given that the OP was about health issues, what exactly were you trying to convey with your snarky remark? Did you disagree with anything in particular or just taking a pot shot in general? Also, where was the fear mongering in the post? It was quite the opposite.
 
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JonDouglas said:
Interesting stuff from FEE: Despite ‘Delta’ Alarmism, US COVID Deaths Are at Lowest Level Since March 2020, Harvard and Stanford Professors Explain. The article has an interesting chart, courtesy of John Hopkins (in case report button punchers don't like the FEE source).

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In thinking about this, consider the fact that not all deaths counted as covid are actually due to covid. Also, the two things that really tell you about the potential risk are rates of (1) deaths and (2) hospital beds occupied by covid-diagnosed patients, Looking at the chart, you can see that the death rate in the peak flu season of 2021 was only 10 per million. How does that compare with flu seasons past? Rising new case rates would seem to be most useful for scaring people into some behavior pattern. From the article:

Many COVID-19 cases recorded as positive are either asymptomatic or come with very mild symptoms—especially the cases confirmed among vaccinated individuals—so high case counts are not necessarily proof of a serious problem. ​
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I think they makes the stats so complicated that people decide that it is easier just to take their word for it. "Oh no, Mr. Bill, the sky is falling!" I don't know...I guess I'm just not a very good left-winger.
 
Forerunner said:
I think they makes the stats so complicated that people decide that it is easier just to take their word for it. "Oh no, Mr. Bill, the sky is falling!" I don't know...I guess I'm just not a very good left-winger.
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You'd be correct but complicated and recombinant data and the resultant spread of FUD comes from across the political spectrum. It''s what politicians and bureaucratic organizations often do to push their narratives.
 
@ JonDouglas said quoted an article
"Many COVID-19 cases recorded as positive are either asymptomatic or come with very mild symptoms—especially the cases confirmed among vaccinated individuals—so high case counts are not necessarily proof of a serious problem."

So only death counts matter? Seriously, not long term health effects? Read up on 'long-haulers' experiences after their bouts with Covid. Now at least one variant is being contracted at higher rates by younger people than original Covid-19. And while death rates and even hospitalizations rates from the variants are not as high as with the waves of original, odds are they will have lingering effects as well on people who will have to live with those effects a lot longer than those in our age range, if it doesn't over time shorten their life span thru chronic health issues.

Then there is this simple fact: Every single case provides a new opportunity for a new variant. (Granted, it doesn't mutate every single time but the odds increase the more cases there are.) Why do you think they have to tinker with flu shot annually?
 
JonDouglas said:
You seem to be up on tinfoil hats again, Nathan. Got any data or references to support anything you say or do you just avoid things of substance?
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Your snarky, rude demeanor is becoming your trademark. That, plus your tenancy to accuse others of that for which you are guilty of...
Your "avoid things of substance" comment is an example of that.

Regarding your statement:

JonDouglas said:
Rising new case rates would seem to be most useful for scaring people into some behavior pattern
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I ask you again:

Nathan said:
What is the desired "some behavior pattern" , who are these people doing this? What purpose?
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It's just a simple question, requesting clarification.
 
Nathan said:
Your snarky, rude demeanor is becoming your trademark. That, plus your tenancy to accuse others of that for which you are guilty of...
Your "avoid things of substance" comment is an example of that.

Regarding your statement:



I ask you again:



It's just a simple question, requesting clarification.
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LOL, you're baiting me again, Nathan. It still won't work.
 
JonDouglas said:
Interesting stuff from FEE: Despite ‘Delta’ Alarmism, US COVID Deaths Are at Lowest Level Since March 2020, Harvard and Stanford Professors Explain. The article has an interesting chart, courtesy of John Hopkins (in case report button punchers don't like the FEE source).

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In thinking about this, consider the fact that not all deaths counted as covid are actually due to covid. Also, the two things that really tell you about the potential risk are rates of (1) deaths and (2) hospital beds occupied by covid-diagnosed patients, Looking at the chart, you can see that the death rate in the peak flu season of 2021 was only 10 per million. How does that compare with flu seasons past? Rising new case rates would seem to be most useful for scaring people into some behavior pattern. From the article:

Many COVID-19 cases recorded as positive are either asymptomatic or come with very mild symptoms—especially the cases confirmed among vaccinated individuals—so high case counts are not necessarily proof of a serious problem. ​
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I hope this is true. John Hopkins is a very good source of information. The only person I know who had a serious case of covid is one of my nephews who lives in Georgia. He has been in the hospital since November. He has had a double lung transplant and has been on and off ventilators since being in the hospital.
 
Sassycakes said:
I hope this is true. John Hopkins is a very good source of information. The only person I know who had a serious case of covid is one of my nephews who lives in Georgia. He has been in the hospital since November. He has had a double lung transplant and has been on and off ventilators since being in the hospital.
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Well, I hope so too and, as best I can tell from what I read elsewhere, deaths have been declining rapidly. As for you nephew, we pray for his recovery and note there will always be some people who're at risk that should be very vigilant and careful. We're also hoping that the recent news about natural immunity is correct. It should certainly be given rigorous study along with antibody testing; however, that's not in the financial interesst of big pharma/medical.
 
A contact sent me this. Consider it as information, hypothesis or whatever you want. If you can disprove it, please do so.

Of the 35 million Americans who have contracted Covid-19, we know that among reported cases 34.4 million survived. Let’s roughly assume that at minimum half of those have been vaccinated and are among the 165 million Americans who have been at minimum partially vaccinated. Add the remaining 17 million to the vaccinated number and you’re closing in on 190 million Americans with some level of immunity. ​
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Of those 190 million there have been roughly 5600 “breakthrough cases” of hospitalized individuals as of the end of July, while 27 percent (1,500) were asymptomatic and not hospitalized due to Covid-19. Of the same 190 million Americans, 1,141 of those “breakthrough cases” ended up being fatal. But 26 percent of those (296) were asymptomatic and those deaths were unrelated to Covid-19. Of the 844 “breakthrough case” fatalities the CDC has distinguished between Covid-19 being the primary cause of death or whether it was a contributing factor to a person who had other more dominant underlying conditions. In other words, 844 deaths out of 190,000,000 protected persons = .000004%.​
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You might get the idea that some combination of natural and vaccinated immunity has killed any basis for pushing a fear factor. As for the new infection rates, they're mostly meaningless, if not indicative of increasing chances of greater immunity down the road. How many people who've had covid get it a 2nd time?.
 
feywon said:
Well, technically we are ALL going to die--sometime of something even if not from Covid 19 or it's variants.
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Hopefully not this year, and not from something that's never been proven to exist. :ROFLMAO: :rolleyes:
Statement on Virus Isolation <--

However, the vaccines are quite real, aren't they. 🥴
If people are dying from one of these, then the obvious cause is the one that is real and tangible.
 

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