What makes people want to believe in the afterlife?

Mr. Ed said:
I am curious how many books have you written or co-authored? What prompted the beginning of your journey?
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Mr. Ed, i have co-authored no books.
I have written in full and had published three completed books.
I am in the middle of writing another book.

I will not discuss what prompted me to write these here because:
1. You wouldn't believe it.
2. This is explained fully in all my books.
3. These are sacred messages from the Holy Angels. These words are not to be mocked.

You ask some interesting questions. These again, are all answered in my books. Thank you.
 
Gaer said:
Mr. Ed, i have co-authored no books.
I have written in full and had published three completed books.
I am in the middle of writing another book.

I will not discuss what prompted me to write these here because:
1. You wouldn't believe it.
2. This is explained fully in all my books.
3. These are sacred messages from the Holy Angels. These words are not to be mocked.

You ask some interesting questions. These again, are all answered in my books. Thank you.
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When I said co-authored I was referring to the voices of Angels as you describe in your books. Gotcha šŸ˜
 

Mr. Ed said:
God is me as I am God who guides my life. One in the same.
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Thunder would rumble across the skies if I proclaimed to be God.

I'm a Sinner and Imperfect.

God is All Powerful, Almighty, All Knowing.
The Creator of Earth, Universe, Man, all Flora, all Fauna, Heaven, Love, etc

I believe God's Holy Spirit dwells within me as my helper and filling what was once a void inside me.
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Gaer said:
...I will not discuss what prompted me to write these here because:
1. You wouldn't believe it.
2. This is explained fully in all my books.
3. These are sacred messages from the Holy Angels. These words are not to be mocked.
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Brings to mind the Jane Roberts books and her Seth material. Her book "The Nature of Personal Reality" changed my thinking about so many things.
 
Even our planet Earth and or Sun will totally disappear in time. The human species is simply one of millions in our infinite universe. All life comes into being by the merger of a sperm and egg. It does NOT come from a mythological place. When we die, we totally cease to exist. The only remnant is photos of us and memories in the minds of folks who knew us. However, that does not change the fact that I enjoy listening to MUSIC about Jesus and Heaven as can be heard here:

https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXlEVp8uHTXWQWfqT5eInJUe3C2TgrB6v&feature=share

The good part of dying is that all pain and suffering also cease to exist. It is the natural correction of the flaws of life.
 
I like your thread title, ed: "What makes people WANT to believe ........." It's a choice, a personal decision, to travel that road. That doesn't make it true. Doesn't make it false, either.

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When expounding on the Universe it is easy to think Anything is Possible.
 
I donā€™t know what it is that I donā€™t know but I do know what I believe and I also know that itā€™s not everything others say. Some parts, sure. Other parts, Iā€™ll keep my thoughts about your thoughts to myself. We can still be civil and not believe the same and thatā€™s all I ask for, civility.
 
Lara said:
Thunder would rumble across the skies if I proclaimed to be God :LOL: That would be the epitome of boastfulness.
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I did not proclaim to be God, I said I am God as God is me. I give God complete control does it not make sense that God is me as I am Him/Her? I am not God but God is me.
 
Mr. Ed said:
Reality is simply the perception of what is assumed to be real. Are assumptions real? Assumptions are real until proved otherwise. I don't know about heaven or hell, only what was told to me because somebody told them to spread the word.
Christianity is based on the reward and punishment system. Do this, don't do that for everlasting life. What is everlasting life? If it is anything like this one I would rather stop the process and be done with it all.
I'm not afraid of dying but it is too early for me to determine an after death experience.
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Strictly speaking, IMO, many assumptions are not 'facts' tho they feel 'real/true' to the assumer. Why? Because they are often based on either wishful thinking (the person passionately in love who assumes the object of their affections feels the same, the person who feels 'superior' to most everyone else) or on biases and out right prejudices. Many of them the burden of proof should not fall to the person being judged. No one is obligated to correct some else's faulty conclusions on scanty 'evidence' or no evidence other than their long held preconceived notions about others.
 
Mr. Ed said:
I did not proclaim to be God, I said I am God as God is me. I give God complete control does it not make sense that God is me as I am Him/Her? I am not God but God is me.
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I'm sorry I misunderstood you Mr. Ed. The internet makes it difficult. In fact I'm still confused but that doesn't matter. All that matters is your relationship with God and I respect that you are sharing it.
 
Mr. Ed said:
I have difficulty grasping the notion of eternity. If our spirit lives on after death then it is reasonable to confer that life is already eternal, only in different forms?
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Part of the problem is you like most of us for huge segments of our lives, are at the mercy of time as we know it, in recent generations enforced by 'THE CLOCK'. Einstein was at least partially right about relativity--time as well as space can be distorted by natural forces. And that's just in this physical universe. Astrophysicists now speculate our 'real world' is one of many, cheek by jowl and maybe over lapping each other. They speculate the laws of physics might even be different in other 'dimensions' or universes. So the concept of 'eternity' seems overwhelming and perhaps eventually 'boring', but the rules are different, time is different. You won't walk around with devices on your being whatever form you take that measure of the seconds and a progression because every thing is 'now' from a certain perspective.

We tend to think, plan, conceptualize in linear time and most of us often feel the days too short, so it takes a mental adjustment to conceptualize 'eternity' the same way most people have trouble conceptualizing the vastness of space. Thanks to years of documentaries and scifi shows some of us have a clue but it is still hard to try and visualize it.

As to your question, i'm inclined to say 'yes' but for me consciousness (which i equate with 'spirit') is the key to all of it.
 
The idea there is an after life had to originate from something. Seems logical to me the bible verse John 3:16 is that something.

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"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."


So if that as logic seems reasonable & the belief is a creator "God" created humans. What happened to all those humans that died before that verse was the basis for believing there is an after life?

Blind faith & not questioning works if it makes a person comfortable with the unknown.
 
Mr. Ed said:
I have difficulty grasping the notion of eternity. If our spirit lives on after death then it is reasonable to confer that life is already eternal, only in different forms?
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Here's what we know (from scripture)

Only God is Omniscient...all knowing
We do not have Omniscience...capacity to know everything
God doesn't want us to have that yet for good reasons
We'll have many questions answered after death
God is the Alpha and the Omega... the beginning and the end (speaking of his creations)
God knew us before we were in the womb.
There is Physical death...flesh and bones deteriorate like "ashes to ashes, dust to dust"
At the time of death, our Spiritual bodies leave our Physical bodies, coming instantly "face to face" at the judgement throne
Eternal Life begins here in earth when a person chooses to be a believer in the Lord...not just lip service but for real
 
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I thought this was just a discussion @Phoenix . It's about what makes people want to believe in the afterlife. Thats the thread title. Do you perceive it as a pushy debate? It's been friendly so far as I see it.

Did I miss something? Do you mean I'm disrespectful? Am I bothering anyone else? Just say so and I'll leave.
No one is trying to change anyone's mind as I see it. Just trying to share ideas and what makes us want to believe in an afterlife.

Currently we seem to be defining the concept of eternity. It's difficult to define. Any thoughts?
 
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Granny B. said:
Curious to know how you make this jump. Why can't infinity exist without a deity? Just a sincere interest in your thinking, not trying to be confrontational.
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If you were in any way confrontational Granny B, I wouldn't respond. But you're not, so sharing my perspective, my thinking is quite simplistic. Infinity works both ways, if there is no end, then there is also, no beginning. That concept is beyond any sort of human reasoning because we are born, live and die. So, how is it possible to always be? Only by being God. Truth be told, I can't get my head around it.

In a previous post I mentioned that science tells us that you can't make something out of nothing. In the same post I spoke of the big bang that started what we know as, the universe. Whenever I have asked what caused the big bang I'm told that it was gases. But to my thinking, if nothing existed before the big bang where did the gases come from? Remember, science dictates that you can't make something out of nothing, does that exclude gases?

The whole concept of how life started is so unclear, I can only reason that it was miraculous, hence why I believe there must be a deity. The only way that any of us will know for sure lies beyond the grave.
 
People can believe in magic, witches, vampires, Santa Claus, or whatever else they want to believe in that has no proof. It doesn't matter to me one bit. If it makes them feel good and they don't hurt anyone else, fine, believe it and practice it all you want.

Problem arise when they try to legislate their beliefs and force everyone to follow their practices. We see that all the time in pretty much every state in the country, and sometimes they actually get their legislation passed and signed into law, only to have it overturned by the Supreme Court for violating the 1st Amendment. But they keep trying, and they look for ways to skirt the Constitution. Or they enact regulations that are difficult if not impossible to comply with in an effort to get everyone to follow their religious beliefs.

Several cases are coming before the SCOTUS in the near future trying to undermine a woman's right to choose and they're based entirely on religious beliefs, although made to look like they're based on science. They're based on pseudoscience and expertise of outlier scientists who have the credibility of snake-oil salesmen.

The dishonesty of many religious people is the reason many of us are so turned off by religion.
 
horseless carriage said:
But to my thinking, if nothing existed before the big bang where did the gases come from? Remember, science dictates that you can't make something out of nothing, does that exclude gases?"
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Also remember that one of the laws of thermodynamics states that neither energy or matter can be destroyed, but rather convert to another form. We are made of matter.

While i believe there a Divine spirit or consciousness behind or rather at the heart of all that lives, for me that 'deity' is not a human shaped being. But i always like hearing how others view things. And how they arrive at their core beliefs.
 
horseless carriage said:
... if there is no end, then there is also, no beginning...
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Interesting idea.
horseless carriage said:
...if nothing existed before the big bang where did the gases come from? Remember, science dictates that you can't make something out of nothing, does that exclude gases?
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from phys.org:
"...the Big Bang hypothesis states that all of the current and past matter in the Universe came into existence at the same time, roughly 13.8 billion years ago. At this time, all matter was compacted into a very small ball with infinite density and intense heat called a Singularity. Suddenly, the Singularity began expanding, and the universe as we know it began..."

What it sounds to me is that gas would not have existed because it would have been in an extremely condensed solid state. And to take that even further, in the very beginning the molecules that make a particular gas would not have even existed until later:

"After the initial expansion, the theory maintains that Universe cooled sufficiently to allow the formation of subatomic particles, and later simple atoms."
horseless carriage said:
The whole concept of how life started is so unclear, I can only reason that it was miraculous, hence why I believe there must be a deity.
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My question would be: What caused the very small ball to suddenly expand? There's the miracle maybe.

Thanks for taking the time to explain your view. Gives me something to ponder.
 
Lara said:
I thought this was just a discussion @Phoenix . It's about what makes people want to believe in the afterlife. Thats the thread title. Do you perceive it as a pushy debate? It's been friendly so far as I see it.

Did I miss something? Do you mean I'm disrespectful? Am I bothering anyone else? Just say so and I'll leave.
No one is trying to change anyone's mind as I see it. Just trying to share ideas and what makes us want to believe in an afterlife.

Currently we seem to be defining the concept of eternity. It's difficult to define. Any thoughts?
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@Lara, I didn't say anyone was disrespectful. In fact, what I was saying was the opposite.
 

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