Curious About NDE's

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The recent discussions in and around the topic made me think some might want to watch this video, it is one of the better, IMO more credible accounts of the many in both book and video form.
Not expecting anyone to totally set aside their own sense of reason and credibility, but if you're a skeptic i might remind you that the rational, logical approach is not just to look for things that support your POV, but rather open your mind enough to look for things might lend credibility to such a report. There are at least two really striking in ones in this video.

i questioned (because my Dad trained me question everything--including him and my own thoughts) even my own NDE until later events in my life confirmed info i received during it, so i look at the accounts from others analytically too, tho i am not the sort to discount other's experiences. But i reserve the right to determine how much 'weight' i give any individual account and remind everyone that even with physical world things two people can witness same events and process them differently.
 

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This persons account of her experience seems valid to me. I have read and seen many accounts of NDE, the variety of experiences are vast. In my studies on eastern religion/philosophy/psychology I encountered lots of information about how ephemeral our experiences can be. I remember reading "The Bardo : Tibetan Book of the Dead". They read it to those who have just died and are between realms. It describes how the dead person will encounter several "temptations" to be reborn, and what the consequences would be. In other Buddhist books I read how the mind is not local, it is universal and nothing exists save mind...it is called "Mind Only Buddhism". I have experienced very similar euphoric oneness, as this woman has, while in meditation. Then I was encouraged to "sit, walk, and stand" in that realization. This kind of awakening happens in people all the time, mostly it goes unnoticed. Sometimes glimpses of expanded awareness are glimpsed and can be very inspiring. The poor old master once said "It is what you don't allow to happen that keeps you from being free."
 
Interesting topic. I'll take a look at the video. I have nothing to add, never had a NDE, but I'll be checking back to see if others chime in.
 

If you want to believe in NDEs, and you're happy with that, who am I to disagree. While I haven't had a NDE, I got very sick, and became delusional. I thought the ceiling molding was shooting out rays. People had fins instead of hands. There was a host of bazar thoughts, and what, to me, were realities. I can't tell you how real they were. I would have no problem swearing in court that those delusions were absolute reality. Well, the ceiling molding isn't shooting out death rays.
 
Paco Dennis said:
This persons account of her experience seems valid to me. I have read and seen many accounts of NDE, the variety of experiences are vast. In my studies on eastern religion/philosophy/psychology I encountered lots of information about how ephemeral our experiences can be. I remember reading "The Bardo : Tibetan Book of the Dead". They read it to those who have just died and are between realms. It describes how the dead person will encounter several "temptations" to be reborn, and what the consequences would be. In other Buddhist books I read how the mind is not local, it is universal and nothing exists save mind...it is called "Mind Only Buddhism". I have experienced very similar euphoric oneness, as this woman has, while in meditation. Then I was encouraged to "sit, walk, and stand" in that realization. This kind of awakening happens in people all the time, mostly it goes unnoticed. Sometimes glimpses of expanded awareness are glimpsed and can be very inspiring. The poor old master once said "It is what you don't allow to happen that keeps you from being free."
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In discussions on the threads i mention above i alluded to the fact that different cultures hold different views on not just 'after' but between lives. Thru graduates group for Silva Meditation Method i've recovered memories from before this life, in a 'between lives state (almost said place but that has implications of physicality). i've also had spontaneous past life recalls (it took 3 to cure my claustrophobia unsurprisingly i died in confined spaces in all 3. Dr. Edith Fiore tumbled down the 'paranormal' rabbit hole after in desperation she treated a patient 'as if' their past life recalls were 'true'--her success with that changed her path.)

Once when in a Silva Course focusing on past life recall, while i was the 'subject' with someone else 'orienting' me (mostly they will ask open ended questions, as with talking to children about delicate things, no leading questions that might influence the response). the instructor was answering a question of an orienter while about a dozen of us subjects were in deep meditative state. As was common with me i let my consciousness go wandering and ended up in the place of light and unconditional love i experienced in my NDE. The feeling is so overwhelming, tears started to roll down my cheeks and my orienter asked. 'Are you alright? Where are you? Told her i was more than fine but give me the moment, i'd explain later. She did.

Speaking of 'rabbit holes' have you ever seen the movie (a mix of fiction and documentary) "What the Bleep Do We Know?"
 
fuzzybuddy said:
If you want to believe in NDEs, and you're happy with that, who am I to disagree. While I haven't had a NDE, I got very sick, and became delusional. I thought the ceiling molding was shooting out rays. People had fins instead of hands. There was a host of bazar thoughts, and what, to me, were realities. I can't tell you how real they were. I would have no problem swearing in court that those delusions were absolute reality. Well, the ceiling molding isn't shooting out death rays.
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Watch the video, there evidential element in it. Things she felt and heard about what going on in her hospital room and down the corridor from it that others were shocked to learn she 'heard' and felt in her coma. While much can be written off as her consciousness having awareness despite the coma (people sometimes hear doctors talking when they are under anesthetic--they aren't feeling pain of surgery but hear the docs/nurses), reporting what the doctor said down the hall from room is another thing.

i had a psych professor who explained that technically everything we see is a 'hallucination' because there is a delay, tiny but real between when the eye perceives and brain interprets what is seen. The experience you describe is a pretty typical hallucination, they are often characterized by a fear element in them. That is why no-one should take hallucinogens without preparation and supervision or given them without their knowledge---because most humans have a fears whether they admit to them or not. The Government criminalized Dr. Leary's experiments, in which people always gave informed consent and were supervised in case theirs fears surfaced) and meanwhile they were administering them to people without their knowledge or consent.
 
Granny B. said:
Interesting topic. I'll take a look at the video. I have nothing to add, never had a NDE, but I'll be checking back to see if others chime in.
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Your thoughts on the video will be welcome too. Even if you don't watch right away. Sometimes i'm not even in mood to watch shorter ones despite an interest in whatever the subject is.
 
Feywon I am often very curious about these kinds of incidents. I find them very interesting. I feel like they're a peek at what waits for us when we are gone. God's way of saying he is here and he is who he says he is. Thank you for sharing that.
 
No I haven't seen it. but wiki has a synopsis of it.

"Filmed in Portland, Oregon, What the Bleep Do We Know!? presents a viewpoint of the physical universe and human life within it, with connections to neuroscience and quantum physics. Some ideas discussed in the film are:


  • That the universe is best seen as constructed from thoughts and ideas rather than from matter.
  • That "empty space" is not empty.
  • That matter is not solid, and electrons are able to pop in and out of existence without it being known where they disappear to.
  • That beliefs about who one is and what is real are a direct cause of oneself and of one's own realities.
  • That peptides produced by the brain can cause a bodily reaction to emotion.

In the narrative segments of the film, Marlee Matlin portrays Amanda, a photographer who plays the role of everywoman as she experiences her life from startlingly new and different perspectives.

In the documentary segments of the film, interviewees discuss the roots and meaning of Amanda's experiences. The comments focus primarily on a single theme: "We create our own reality." The director, William Arntz, has described What the Bleep as a film for the "metaphysical left".[2]"

1. Mind Only
2. The void is not empty
3. The Tao cannot be descibed or proven...it is inscrutable.
4. Ego is conditioned to survive
5. The whole body is unified completely
 
Paco Dennis said:
No I haven't seen it. but wiki has a synopsis of it.

"Filmed in Portland, Oregon, What the Bleep Do We Know!? presents a viewpoint of the physical universe and human life within it, with connections to neuroscience and quantum physics. Some ideas discussed in the film are:


  • That the universe is best seen as constructed from thoughts and ideas rather than from matter.
  • That "empty space" is not empty.
  • That matter is not solid, and electrons are able to pop in and out of existence without it being known where they disappear to.
  • That beliefs about who one is and what is real are a direct cause of oneself and of one's own realities.
  • That peptides produced by the brain can cause a bodily reaction to emotion.

In the narrative segments of the film, Marlee Matlin portrays Amanda, a photographer who plays the role of everywoman as she experiences her life from startlingly new and different perspectives.

In the documentary segments of the film, interviewees discuss the roots and meaning of Amanda's experiences. The comments focus primarily on a single theme: "We create our own reality." The director, William Arntz, has described What the Bleep as a film for the "metaphysical left".[2]"

1. Mind Only
2. The void is not empty
3. The Tao cannot be descibed or proven...it is inscrutable.
4. Ego is conditioned to survive
5. The whole body is unified completely
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i have it on DVD because there are more interviews with folks from the movie in the 'Special Features' option. One of the main reasons i buy DVD is i often find myself as interested in the screenwriter's, director's and actors' processes in telling the 'story' as in the story. But this one was of particular interest to me.
 
MarciKS said:
Feywon I am often very curious about these kinds of incidents. I find them very interesting. I feel like they're a peek at what waits for us when we are gone. God's way of saying he is here and he is who he says he is. Thank you for sharing that.
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i agree, while i don't believe n a personified deity (whether the Abrahamic God, Egyptian, Hindu or other ones) i definitely believe in a Devine Spirit that we all spring from and are connected to--a Universal Consciousness.
 
I think near death experiences are just that "near death" and probably have little to nothing to do with actual death. Your brain is still alive and functioning, not so in actual death. No one returns from actual death, except perhaps Jesus as some believe.

I think the thoughts you might have in an NDE are possibly interesting, particularly if you think you are dying, but I am skeptical that they have anything to do with actual death.

So far my only NDEs are the non-disclosure agreements various employers have had me sign. Probably even less relevant.
 
feywon said:
i agree, while i don't believe n a personified deity (whether the Abrahamic God, Egyptian, Hindu or other ones) i definitely believe in a Devine Spirit that we all spring from and are connected to--a Universal Consciousness.
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If you don't believe in a deity then how can you believe in a divine spirit? Just asking. :)
 
MarciKS said:
If you don't believe in a deity then how can you believe in a divine spirit? Just asking. :)
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Sorry if unclear, when most people say "Deity" they mean a personified God with a physical appearance (often human or partially human). When i say Divine Spirit i am speaking of something that in its natural state (and yes it may take any form it wishes, but its natural state) has no physical form is pure consciousness, energy and love.

I welcome clarifying questions, they help me improve how i express my ideas to be more clear.
 
feywon said:
Speaking of 'rabbit holes' have you ever seen the movie (a mix of fiction and documentary) "What the Bleep Do We Know?"
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(y)One of my all-time favorite movies, seen it several times. I have a copy on DVD.

Here's another one to recommend: "Mindwalk." Description from IMDB: "Philosophical conversations between a poet, politician, and scientist." This link is to Youtube.
 
feywon said:
Sounds familiar will have to check it out.
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Hi Feywon,
On the way to dr for my husband. Expecting bad news after results of ct scan. I need to control my nerves. This topic helps that this is not it. It’s hard to grasp that usually the end of life is this hard. Is there anything else you can recommend? Going to be another 12 hour day with chemo and dr visit. Thank you
 
StillLearning said:
Hi Feywon,
On the way to dr for my husband. Expecting bad news after results of ct scan. I need to control my nerves. This topic helps that this is not it. It’s hard to grasp that usually the end of life is this hard. Is there anything else you can recommend? Going to be another 12 hour day with chemo and dr visit. Thank you
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i hope the news was not as bad as expected.
Do you mean in the way of movies? Books or trying to deal with your feelings?

Communication with each other is important. But it's hard to communicate what you feel when there's multiple layers of feelings including the healthy loved one's fear/sense of impending loss and the ill person's own end of life feelings as well as being concerned with being a burden.
You said "I need to control my nerves." True but one of the best ways to do that is to find time/space to allow yourself to feel everything you feel. Some of it may surprise you, be uncomfortable but recognizing that you can have multiple strong emotions about the situations can help you deal with them the better. Also help you understand that hubby may have layers of various emotions too.

If you need recommendations of fiction on the topic i'm sure myself and others can come up with more--there are several that deal with 'end of life issues'. And it is ok to watch/escapist stuff along the way--like something that you know will give you a laugh. Sometimes a hearty laugh can lead to a cathartic cry when we are in such situations. Check your community and see if there are support groups for families of cancer patients. Many do have them.
 
feywon said:
i hope the news was not as bad as expected.
Do you mean in the way of movies? Books or trying to deal with your feelings?

Communication with each other is important. But it's hard to communicate what you feel when there's multiple layers of feelings including the healthy loved one's fear/sense of impending loss and the ill person's own end of life feelings as well as being concerned with being a burden.
You said "I need to control my nerves." True but one of the best ways to do that is to find time/space to allow yourself to feel everything you feel. Some of it may surprise you, be uncomfortable but recognizing that you can have multiple strong emotions about the situations can help you deal with them the better. Also help you understand that hubby may have layers of various emotions too.

If you need recommendations of fiction on the topic i'm sure myself and others can come up with more--there are several that deal with 'end of life issues'. And it is ok to watch/escapist stuff along the way--like something that you know will give you a laugh. Sometimes a hearty laugh can lead to a cathartic cry when we are in such situations. Check your community and see if there are support groups for families of cancer patients. Many do have them.
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Thank you for all your thoughts. One of my problems is knowing what to do but not doing them. Maybe going back to the support group and trying again would be a good idea. The doctor said this is a marathon so we keep trying different things.
 
StillLearning said:
Thank you for all your thoughts. One of my problems is knowing what to do but not doing them. Maybe going back to the support group and trying again would be a good idea. The doctor said this is a marathon so we keep trying different things.
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That's good advice, because at different times during it you may need or be more responsive to some things than others.
 

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