What are the reasons some do not wear masks or will not be vaccinated?

Sunny said:
Obviously, no one has a crystal ball. We don't know what the really long term effects are of anything we take into our bodies, and sometimes we have made mistakes. (Thalidomide, tobacco, some drugs that turned out to cause harm.)

But when there is a raging epidemic of a serious, often fatal disease going onthe vaccines appear to be amazingly safe and effective right now, it seems to me sheer insanity to refuse to get it, the vaccines appear to be amazingly safe and effective right now, it seems to me sheer insanity to refuse to get it, because "some day down the road" they could discover something bad about it. (That's true, by the way, of everything we eat, drink, inhale, etc.)
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"the vaccines appear to be amazingly safe and effective right now, it seems to me sheer insanity to refuse to get it"

Right now yes, but numbers are rising of the vaccinated being hospitalized and deaths. And not trusting that their will not be severe side effects later on is why a lot of people are refusing the vaccine. They are weighing their risk and deciding not to get it. That's their right. I'm sure many think those being vaccinated are insane. I don't, I think they made a choice that felt right for them. As it should be.
 

Brookswood said:
Mr. Leno is an entertainer. IOW, he is not smarter than any of us. And if wants to jaywalk he probably can afford better lawyers than I can. :)
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Are you serious? Jay walking was a segment of the Jay Leno show that conducted interviews of everyday people that reflected on the intelligence or lack of by asking questions about current events & basic knowledge.

At the time I originally thought the responses were hilarious but soon realized how sad & lacking so many were about the world around them.
 
It would have been "nice" if this virus wasn't spreading so quickly, and the FDA/CDC had 4 or 5 years of "studying" this illness and the vaccines. However, had these vaccines not been available until 2025, the death toll would probably already be in the millions.

Many of the nations hospitals are already so overcrowded with Covid patients that there are little or no resources available for anyone rushing to the hospital with a stroke, heart attack, or severe auto accident.

Sure, no one knows what, if any, kind of long term effects this virus, or the vaccines, will have....but it only makes sense for people to accept the recommendations of those who are studying this disease, and follow the mask, distancing, and vaccination protocols.
 

"Well, I do KNOW one thing, because I got vaccinated, as a young child, I do not have polio, never had polio, and never will have polio. The so called side effect of the polio vaccine was playing in the rain and NOT getting polio.

I can breathe without an iron lung. I did not grow up in a hospital. As I child I did not need a wheelchair and was not made to stay home from school. I am grateful for the vaccines, the doctors, and the medical world."

Remember it took 10 years to get the polio vaccine. This Conav-19 was RUSHED too fast & they have no idea the side effects that will come from this so-called Conav-19 vaccine.
 
Mediocre quarterback for the Chicago Bears, Jay Cutler lost an UberEats commercial gig due to his anti-mask views. He never did have very good judgement on the field and it looks like that also applies to his behavior on Twitter.
 
Becky1951 said:
For medical reason's I'm not vaccinated. I do wear a mask. I do believe its a personal choice to be vaccinated.

"Seems to me if we are going to get control of this virus we need more cooperation"

Seems to me it was nonsense for the CDC to assume that vaccinated people could stop wearing masks 2 weeks after second shot. The studies on the trial of the vaccines didn't include enough time to make certain that vaccinated persons could have breakthrough cases that spread the virus.

Also they assumed that the vaccines probably would protect future variant's obviously since they had dropped the wear a mask recommendation. Too much assuming by the CDC and the "experts".
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Same for me. Not vaccinated on the advice of my doctor due to autoimmune disorders, but do wear a mask at all times in public indoors and don't see an end in sight to mask wearing until I've caught and hopefully recovered with antibodies. Know I will eventually catch it from family (vaccinated or not ...both are spreading it), but also do know my internist is having excellent success with his treatment regimen. I also qualify for monoclonal antibody treatment due to several diagnosis.
 
Knight said:
Are you serious? Jay walking was a segment of the Jay Leno show that conducted interviews of everyday people that reflected on the intelligence or lack of by asking questions about current events & basic knowledge.

At the time I originally thought the responses were hilarious but soon realized how sad & lacking so many were about the world around them.
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Aw, c'mon. It's comedy. Many of the participants in those skits were pre-interviewed, coached & rehearsed. I participated.
If you watched Leno's show, you might also recall another skit called "Iron Jay" where audience members would ask Jay fitness questions. Jay would sit in front of a special camera with a lens that magnified his chin & shrunk the rest of his face. Funny, but also rehearsed.
 
John cycling said:
How exactly are you going to do that when you're dead?
When you play with fire you get burned.
When you put well known poisons in your body you're going to suffer the consequences.
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😂 if I have side effects after I am dead that will be amazing especially since I am going to be cremated. However, I know if I get COVID-19, due to my many medical issues, I will die for sure.
 
Becky1951 said:
No they cannot at this time tell anyone what the future effects will be. No one can until a few years from now.

Most seniors don't care because their time is limited. But everyone should care about the younger generations. :cry:
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Well, if everyone cared about the younger generations

They would wear masks!!!
 
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If people really cared about children and other people they would NOT be trying to get them to be deprived of oxygen and and prevented from eliminating carbon dioxide and other waste products from their lungs. That's absurd, and shows the backward double think that the mask and poison proponents have to convince themselves to believe.
 
John cycling said:
The #1 reason for me is doing my own research and having the intelligence to not do unhealthy and life destroying things.
Wearing a mask significantly reduces the oxygen supply to the body and blocks the elimination of waste products from the lungs.
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I have been wearing a mask for two years, now. Never in my life have I ever been freer of seasonal allergies. Now I can walk the streets or parks and breathe without the horrible allergy discomforts. How I wish I had learned to do this years ago. I shall do the same for the rest of my life.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
I have been wearing a mask for two years, now. Never in my life have I ever been freer of seasonal allergies. Now I can walk the streets or parks and breathe without the horrible allergy discomforts. How I wish I had learned to do this years ago. I shall do the same for the rest of my life.
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I'm having sinus problems from all the smoke in the air.
 
Irwin said:
I'm having sinus problems from all the smoke in the air.
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Thank you for bringing up that point. Several people I know say the same thing. By contrast, I have not even been aware of the smoke because it cannot penetrate my three layer mask. Thus, I am perfectly comfortable while they are not.

Wearing a mask is the smart thing to do.
 
John cycling said:
If people really cared about children and other people they would NOT be trying to get them to be deprived of oxygen and and prevented from eliminating carbon dioxide and other waste products from their lungs. That's absurd, and shows the backward double think that the mask and poison proponents have to convince themselves to believe.
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You do realize this is a senior site with most retired & not needing to wear a mask 8 hours a day or more. For my wife & me shopping takes maybe 20 minutes tops that is pretty much the longest in time for interaction in a public place.

As for those required to wear a mask do you have any proof that healthy individuals are suffering any side affects from long hours of use? KEY is "healthy individuals". I'd expect those with lung issues to seek an exemption. Or the very least try to minimize social interaction.

The reason for slacking off on mask use was cases of covid-19 were declining. Since fear of vaccinations & slacking off on mask wearing cases of both covid-19 & the new strain have risen substantially.

Bottom line. People will do what they feel works best for themselves.
 
I’m sure that I don’t know what motivates people to do many of the things that they do and to so vehemently refuse to do other things that they won’t do. But I guarantee that vaccinated or not, wear a mask from here to eternity, every last one of us will die from something, be it old age or stubbornness. I doubt that anyone’s mind is changed by making the same arguments over and over. But like it or not, everything and everyone that’s alive dies. It’s the other half of the equation. If Covid doesn’t kill you, something else will. Covid is just a newer cause of death. It’s true that it doesn’t kill everyone it infects but I’d feel a little sad if I was the one you caught it from and you died because of my stubbornness or if you died as a result of getting a vaccine if I advised you to do so. All the bickering back and forth could be put to much better use by using the time and space here to post more funny pictures, interesting music videos or even just kind thoughts. A little kindness goes a long way. Is it really so much fun to point fingers at each other? I don’t know about anyone else but for the past few years, my so called “Golden Years” seem a little tarnished. All this animosity between every side and faction is not what I had pictured my great reward would be. Can’t we pull together, even just a little or shall we keep picking each other apart?
 
Chris P Bacon said:
I’m sure that I don’t know what motivates people to do many of the things that they do and to so vehemently refuse to do other things that they won’t do. But I guarantee that vaccinated or not, wear a mask from here to eternity, every last one of us will die from something, be it old age or stubbornness. I doubt that anyone’s mind is changed by making the same arguments over and over. But like it or not, everything and everyone that’s alive dies. It’s the other half of the equation. If Covid doesn’t kill you, something else will. Covid is just a newer cause of death. It’s true that it doesn’t kill everyone it infects but I’d feel a little sad if I was the one you caught it from and you died because of my stubbornness or if you died as a result of getting a vaccine if I advised you to do so. All the bickering back and forth could be put to much better use by using the time and space here to post more funny pictures, interesting music videos or even just kind thoughts. A little kindness goes a long way. Is it really so much fun to point fingers at each other? I don’t know about anyone else but for the past few years, my so called “Golden Years” seem a little tarnished. All this animosity between every side and faction is not what I had pictured my great reward would be. Can’t we pull together, even just a little or shall we keep picking each other apart?
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You may be missing an important point - which is the animosity starts out one sided. I have yet to see any animosity towards anyone who's been vaccinated UNTIL they start putting down those who choose not to get vaccinated to feel superior & holier than thou. That's when the expected retaliation makes it appear like we're picking each other apart, when it's really the vaccinated picking the non vaccinated apart. Respect is a two-way street.
 
win231 said:
No comments from the controllers who want everyone to make the same choice they made????
I'm shocked!
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I think I can explain.

1. He based his decision on facts and logic.

He felt dizzy twice wearing a mask because it disrupted his breathing pattern. Therefore, he stopped wearing masks.

2.. He followed science
He got vaccinated.

3 He listens to experts
He follows his doctor's advice.

So, yeah, no violent reactions here. All quiet in covid angstville.

@Tom 86 I hope you continue to get better.
 
win231 said:
You may be missing an important point - which is the animosity starts out one sided. I have yet to see any animosity towards anyone who's been vaccinated UNTIL they start putting down those who choose not to get vaccinated to feel superior & holier than thou. That's when the expected retaliation makes it appear like we're picking each other apart, when it's really the vaccinated picking the non vaccinated apart. Respect is a two-way street.
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Vaxxer’s are here. The “truth” is probably here, somewhere in between. Anti-vaxxers are here.

Both pro and con vaccine sides say that they are right, the opposing opinions are wrong.
My point is that arguing like schoolchildren will most definitely not do anything to prevent further spreading of the disease. My point too is that some people argue that the vaccine is poison and I’ve also read that some people believe the virus is just a hoax. It wasn’t people in favor of vaccinations that spread thoughts like those. With the internet at their fingertips, many people feel that they’re experts on any number of things. Both sides do a lot of finger pointing and tongue wagging, or so it appears to ME. Your results may vary but you don’t know what my eyes see and none of us seem to have proven anything even with all the bickering. Isn’t there something else we could all hate each other about instead, even if only for a day or two? Talk about Covid here, there and everywhere seems to have changed nothing. You don’t know what to do about it, neither do I. But arguing, no matter who starts it, isn’t helping anything or anyone. I wish there was a vaccine for unpleasantness. People are just unpleasant it seems and on both sides of everything. We might as well get along because we won’t be here for long and all of us are stuck on the same planet we were born on and will die on. Respect is indeed a two way street. It just seems that most streets are one way in this neighborhood and on both sides of the tracks.


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Having a discussion is not arguing until someone calls others stupid, ignorant, uneducated, un patriotic, insane etc. And those names have been slung by the pro vaccine side against those who are NOT anti-vax, but rather not convinced the Covid vaccines are safe long term.

Considering information, ALL available information is important. If members are tired of the Covid thread, there is a simple solution, scroll on, don't read any of it. Problem solved.
 
Becky1951 said:
Having a discussion is not arguing until someone calls others stupid, ignorant, uneducated, un patriotic, insane etc. And those names have been slung by the pro vaccine side against those who are NOT anti-vax, but rather not convinced the Covid vaccines are safe long term.

Considering information, ALL available information is important. If members are tired of the Covid thread, there is a simple solution, scroll on, don't read any of it. Problem solved.
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But I ask, from where is one to obtain this all important information without risking exposure to negative comments from BOTH sides of the issue as well as those who choose to “not choose” because they just aren’t sure of the long term safety of vaccines? If I want to be informed and to avail myself of available information, ALL available information, then a forum such as this would seem to be the place to seek it. I was merely questioning what are the long term effects of such animosity? Do you have access to some special source of information to share with someone as uninformed as I must seem to be? I only ask because you seem to have an answer about pretty much everything. You seem to know much that I do not. We may not agree but that doesn’t automatically make you right. I can respect the opinions of others but I need not accept them. I feel Voltaire said it well, “Cherish those who seek the truth but beware of those who find it!” I’m a seeker, are you a seeker too or is it too soon to say?
 
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