Myers Briggs Anyone?

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I’m new to Senior Forum. Don’t know if this topic has been discussed before or not.

The Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) was developed by a mother daughter team during and after World War II. It was further refined to the version used today by 1962. After answering questions, people are placed in one of 16 groups. The results indicate psychological preferences and how people perceive the world and make decisions. MBTI has its detractors, and has been criticized as pseudoscience by some academic researchers. One of my daughters is an HR manager, and she tells me that there are more modern psychological testing in use today by companies.

I would note that MBTI critics may not fully appreciate that it does not represent a binary choice between two selections for a given category, for example extraversion version introversion (E/I). Rather, it is a gradated scale, where people will score somewhere along the line between the two extremes. I would also add that other factors certainly come into play in how our basic MBTI personality types are exercised. Obviously, this includes gender as well as each person’s own unique experiences in life, traumatic or otherwise. My wife passed away, suddenly and unexpectedly, seven years ago. That event had a profound effect on me in one of the category groups, a subject for a future posting.

Here is my experience. In 1985, at age 40, I was appointed to a temporary supervisory position of an organizational unit at a U.S. Navy R&D facility. (The following year, after competition with several other candidates, I did get the job on a permanent basis.) As part of my supervisory qualification process, I was required to take a number of classes including one that used MBTI as part of the team-building process.

When I was provided the results and given the description of my personality type, I was flabbergasted. It was like, “wait this is me exactly, how did I live my whole life without knowing about this?!” I must tell you that it was an epiphany! I still consider that first MBTI test as a major event in my life. I like to think that it improved me as a person, that I was better able to understand the mind set of other people but also helped to give me a lot more perspective about myself and my decision-making process.

An example. In the 1950’s there were a lot of other boys that I played with. Most of them would chat away with abandon at times. By the time I had formulated my thought about something that had been said, they would be on to some other silly topic. You see I am somewhat between a moderate and extreme introvert. These guys were doing their thinking and talking at the same time, which was utterly perplexing to me.

Another example. Around 1990 or so, my wife and I were busily raising our four young daughters. At a school function, we were with two other parents, a man and a woman, both of whom were quite extraverted (talkative). My wife (who was slightly to the extravert side) stood and listened to these two folks gab away. But after a while something interesting happened—one of the people was now doing most of the talking. My wife and I later decided that it was kind of a contest, and that the woman had won—she was the more extreme extravert!

Anyone else interested in continuing with discussion of this topic?
 

In pre-covid days when I would commute to work I'd listen to lectures on CD and there was an interesting one about personality characteristics and one I'd not ever heard of was sensitivity to being looked at. So there are people on one far side of the range that are not at all self-conscious when people are looking at them, and on the other extreme are people who are acutely uncomfortable about being looked at.
I think I am pretty far off on the overly sensitive side of the scale because I find the 'open office' layout at work very uncomfortable. When I was younger I remember being in an office of a half dozen people and I managed to prop up a bulletin board on my desk so I would feel more private. And another job with a shared office I arranged the bookcase to block the view of people walking down the hall past the door. I didn't mind my office mate but found random people glancing in as they past the door to be very distracting.
 
In pre-covid days when I would commute to work I'd listen to lectures on CD and there was an interesting one about personality characteristics and one I'd not ever heard of was sensitivity to being looked at. So there are people on one far side of the range that are not at all self-conscious when people are looking at them, and on the other extreme are people who are acutely uncomfortable about being looked at.
I think I am pretty far off on the overly sensitive side of the scale because I find the 'open office' layout at work very uncomfortable. When I was younger I remember being in an office of a half dozen people and I managed to prop up a bulletin board on my desk so I would feel more private. And another job with a shared office I arranged the bookcase to block the view of people walking down the hall past the door. I didn't mind my office mate but found random people glancing in as they past the door to be very distracting.
I'm with you as far as "open office" work environments. They were marketed as making people work together more productively, but when actual studies were conducted, it turned out that most workers hated them. They were cheaper than giving people offices or cubicles, which is why they were embraced by so many companies.

I've had jobs where they didn't even give us our own cubicles. At one, I had to share a cubicle with three other people. I was never able to relax. The only time I could get a bit of relief was when I went to the bathroom. It was horrible for someone like me who needs privacy. I don't mind meetings, but after they're over, I need to be able to regroup. But in that environment, I was in flight or fight mode from the time I got there until the time I left. It was horrible, and probably took a few years off my life expectancy.
 

I would imagine that an open office environment would have a major impact on productivity. You would always worry that other people would be taking note of what you were doing in your job, perhaps even that they would be reporting you to the bosses.
that's exactly what they do.
 
I am an ENTP . We are rare birds in the teaching profession.
Remember that what follows is but generalisation, not to be mistaken for scientific law.
(See, I told you I was ENTP 😄 )

ENTP Teachers

ENTPs usually don’t prefer teaching as their first career choice but they have rather such amazing strengths that make them well-suited for the career. ENTP teachers are not that common but they are seen as important pillars of the society once they opt out for teaching as a profession.

There are a few strengths which make them even better teachers. ENTP teachers, if they ever want to be teachers, have the ability to influence their students’ lives to a great extent.

They are great at learning as well as teaching new information which makes them better teachers. They can adapt to almost any type of environment which makes them attached to students. They are a fan of discussion and involve the whole class in their discussion.

They are also good at communication making it easier to speak to a large group.

Some of the most common strengths of ENTP teachers are given below.

  1. Enthusiastic
They are rather enthusiastic people especially when it comes to teaching a subject which excites them. They are extremely passionate and they express their joy over new information gathered and it can be really inspirational for their students. Students can’t learn a thing from a teacher who is not eager to learn himself.

A teacher who is not able to inspire his students and does not feel interested much in teaching can’t become a good teacher. They know how to engage their students in a class or a conversation; they can stay engaged during the lecture. It is even more exciting for ENTP that his students are taking an interest in his class.

They keep making sure if the information is being delivered properly to the students. They know the tricks to get students involved without needing to force because of their charming and outgoing personalities. They also know how they can use their own love for knowledge and excitement to inspire their students.

There is more here if you would like to think about the teachers or lecturers you had in days gone by ENTP Teachers (A Comprehensive Guide) | OptimistMinds
 
Mediator here! INFP-T

I was a mailman for a number of years and we sorted the mail into what are called "cases". It was a type of open office I guess but half of the day or more we were outside on our own. That's a big part of what I liked about the job. No bosses breating down your neck. Still, over time in the job, the layout was changed many times and when I last worked, the supervisor's desks were in the middle of the room with our cases facing away from the desks. That way they could observe us as we worked. It was a lot browbeating and so the earliest I was able to, I retired.

This looks pretty much like where I worked except you vcan't see the bosses desks.

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I’m new to Senior Forum. Don’t know if this topic has been discussed before or not.

The Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) was developed by a mother daughter team during and after World War II. It was further refined to the version used today by 1962. After answering questions, people are placed in one of 16 groups. The results indicate psychological preferences and how people perceive the world and make decisions. MBTI has its detractors, and has been criticized as pseudoscience by some academic researchers. One of my daughters is an HR manager, and she tells me that there are more modern psychological testing in use today by companies.

I would note that MBTI critics may not fully appreciate that it does not represent a binary choice between two selections for a given category, for example extraversion version introversion (E/I). Rather, it is a gradated scale, where people will score somewhere along the line between the two extremes. I would also add that other factors certainly come into play in how our basic MBTI personality types are exercised. Obviously, this includes gender as well as each person’s own unique experiences in life, traumatic or otherwise. My wife passed away, suddenly and unexpectedly, seven years ago. That event had a profound effect on me in one of the category groups, a subject for a future posting.

Here is my experience. In 1985, at age 40, I was appointed to a temporary supervisory position of an organizational unit at a U.S. Navy R&D facility. (The following year, after competition with several other candidates, I did get the job on a permanent basis.) As part of my supervisory qualification process, I was required to take a number of classes including one that used MBTI as part of the team-building process.

When I was provided the results and given the description of my personality type, I was flabbergasted. It was like, “wait this is me exactly, how did I live my whole life without knowing about this?!” I must tell you that it was an epiphany! I still consider that first MBTI test as a major event in my life. I like to think that it improved me as a person, that I was better able to understand the mind set of other people but also helped to give me a lot more perspective about myself and my decision-making process.

An example. In the 1950’s there were a lot of other boys that I played with. Most of them would chat away with abandon at times. By the time I had formulated my thought about something that had been said, they would be on to some other silly topic. You see I am somewhat between a moderate and extreme introvert. These guys were doing their thinking and talking at the same time, which was utterly perplexing to me.

Another example. Around 1990 or so, my wife and I were busily raising our four young daughters. At a school function, we were with two other parents, a man and a woman, both of whom were quite extraverted (talkative). My wife (who was slightly to the extravert side) stood and listened to these two folks gab away. But after a while something interesting happened—one of the people was now doing most of the talking. My wife and I later decided that it was kind of a contest, and that the woman had won—she was the more extreme extravert!

Anyone else interested in continuing with discussion of this topic?
Great topic! I've taken this test a few times through the years and my current results seem consistent with past ones. A very interesting topic. Welcome aboard and thanks for posting this here! :)
 
Back when there were only 4 types, I was an INFP. Now I am an Entertainer.

What's odd to me is that both fit -- I don't know what it depends upon. Sometimes in a group setting in which I know everyone from slightly to well, I will be an Entertainer. Sometimes I won't be and am quiet and introverted. I would rather be an Entertainer, because then I feel happy, like all is well with the world. Plus I like to keep people laughing.

No, I do not have multiple personalities. Maybe it's a combination of my mood and the specific people I'm with. Or whether I'm feeling serious or fun-loving. A lot of times I feel serious because there are a lot of serious things going on in my life.

My mother once said that I bring levity to the relationship between me, her, and my sister. The two of them were always serious and worried all the time about stuff outside of their control. For example, we were in Houston and our hotel was a couple of blocks from a grocery store. I walked there in daylight to pick up a few things. Before that, I was encouraged not to go because I could get mugged, have my purse stolen, or get hit by a car. We were not in a high crime area. I had managed to make it to age 61 without those things happening. So I told them to just have me cremated if the worst happened. I figure it was the promise of chocolate that set their minds at (sort of) ease. No one would dare promise my Mom chocolate without delivering it, pronto.
 
Back when there were only 4 types, I was an INFP. Now I am an Entertainer.

What's odd to me is that both fit -- I don't know what it depends upon. Sometimes in a group setting in which I know everyone from slightly to well, I will be an Entertainer. Sometimes I won't be and am quiet and introverted. I would rather be an Entertainer, because then I feel happy, like all is well with the world. Plus I like to keep people laughing.

No, I do not have multiple personalities. Maybe it's a combination of my mood and the specific people I'm with. Or whether I'm feeling serious or fun-loving. A lot of times I feel serious because there are a lot of serious things going on in my life.

My mother once said that I bring levity to the relationship between me, her, and my sister. The two of them were always serious and worried all the time about stuff outside of their control. For example, we were in Houston and our hotel was a couple of blocks from a grocery store. I walked there in daylight to pick up a few things. Before that, I was encouraged not to go because I could get mugged, have my purse stolen, or get hit by a car. We were not in a high crime area. I had managed to make it to age 61 without those things happening. So I told them to just have me cremated if the worst happened. I figure it was the promise of chocolate that set their minds at (sort of) ease. No one would dare promise my Mom chocolate without delivering it, pronto.
Thanks, that was quite an entertaining read! 😸
 
Thanks for all the great replies. I think Myers Briggs is a good tool for understanding yourself and others, such as for team building exercises. And again each characteristic represents where you are on a line from one extreme to another. I've had a number of people tell me that they are very near the mid point between extrovert and introvert, for example. One woman told me she tested out as ENxP. I asked her what the x stood for--it meant that she fell exactly at the mid point between F and T in her explanation. For me, finding out that I was an INTJ at age 40 was a great awakening; the description fit me dang near perfectly. Also Myers Briggs is a fun thing to do when you have a group of people together.
 
i've taken it once or twice before. My sister who has a Masters in Psychology was the 'Testing' person for several Psych professionals in her city for many years. But when she was working on her Masters (as a 'non-traditional student) part of her testing courses required her to administer the various tests to a variety of people. i was a frequent guinea pig for everything from IQ to Myers Briggs toRorschach's tests.

i honestly don't remember the precise Myers Briggs result either from when she gave it or when i took it during a seminar at conference of College and University HR professionals. But i do recall being told both times that i was in the 'rarest' group. Overall the description fits me to a large extent. That's what i got this time too, "Advocate INFJ-A", which surprised me because i'm sure i confidently checked the middle box on many more items than in the past. Why? Because as i've aged i've come to consider 'context' of any choice, decision or behavior crucial.

Take the question about what one's top priority is when a 'plan' for one's day is interrupted. Seriously?---Depends on the importance to my quality of life and the nature of the interruption. While i do like to accomplish the goals, complete tasks or enjoy fun planned activities for the day the well being of my family, our furry companions, extended family/friends circle that live afar will always be a bigger priority than anything other than crucial medical tests or treatments if i was in a situation of needing any routine medical treatments. (Firm believer in what i call the 'O2' principle--i'm not much help/good to anyone else if i don't take basic care, physical and emotional, of myself for same reason Flight Attendants tell passengers to don their own oxygen masks before helping others.)

i also answered the question about seeing someone cry making me feel like crying differently. The first time i answered it when in my 20's i likely put the strongest agree, but since then i've been a parent and realized the same calmness that can comfort a child in pain is true for adults too. Sympathize or empathize but becoming overly emotional yourself can be less than helpful. (It is appropriate if a mutual loved one has been injured or died, IMO, but not in most situations.) Now i answered with mildest agree--because i do still feel the tug to cry with someone else--but i don't give into it as easily as i once did.

Most human beings tend to see things in terms of 'polarities' or binary constructs. When Extrovert/Introvert concept first came to public attention people were quick to label others or themselves as one or the other. But the truth of humanity is that there are a lot more people who are not whole this or that. Virtually every human trait and descriptor actually covers a broad spectrum and we are strung out on it like beads, each with a good deal of uniqueness. Categorizing and classifying things was a useful survival skill for early humans--but we've applied those 'skills' for too long and in regard to too many things where accepting, understanding and even celebrating differences might be MORE conducive for our long term development and survival.
 
Thanks for all the great replies. I think Myers Briggs is a good tool for understanding yourself and others, such as for team building exercises. And again each characteristic represents where you are on a line from one extreme to another. I've had a number of people tell me that they are very near the mid point between extrovert and introvert, for example. One woman told me she tested out as ENxP. I asked her what the x stood for--it meant that she fell exactly at the mid point between F and T in her explanation. For me, finding out that I was an INTJ at age 40 was a great awakening; the description fit me dang near perfectly. Also Myers Briggs is a fun thing to do when you have a group of people together.
In what way was it "a great awakening?"

I'm also an INTJ, of the T (turbulent) variety. The description for INTJ describes me pretty accurately. I can't say that learning that I was an INTJ had any impact on my life, other than talking about it on forums.
 
Most reputable psychiatrists/psychologists dismiss Myers Briggs as pseudoscience, at best. It's about as accurate as a Ouija board.
I would take that more seriously except 50 years ago most "reputable" neurological and psychological "experts" were dismissive of neuroplasticity and now fMRI studies support its existence. Paradigms change slowly.

I tend to take all these types of systems with the same attitude i have toward various astrological systems. They feel more accurate to some than to others. They can, used properly (that is as catalysts for thought about who we are and who we want to be) be useful tools for growth. They should NOT, IMO, be used rigidly to define and constrict anyone's ability to learn, grow evolve mental/emotionally.
 
Excellent point. Take it for what it's worth. Again, for me, many years ago, it helped to put some context around my life's experiences up to that point in time. I also found it useful during team building sessions as a government employee and later as a small business owner. If nothing else, Myers Briggs makes for interesting dinner table conversations!
 
When I first heard about MB tests it was in the context of an inservice course for teachers. The purpose was to raise awareness of the different ways that we, and our students, prefer to teach and to be taught. By being aware of differences in the teaching staff we came to understand that we might not be connecting with those students who were not images of ourselves.

At that time I declined to participate because I considered it unscientific. I likened it to having your colours analysed. However, since then my daughter has had the colour analysis and she looks and feels so much better by recognising what suits her and what colours she is attracted to.

There was an opportunity for me to undergo MB with a group of people from my congregation. I found it to be great fun and personally illuminating. The exercises illustrated very clearly the differences in the way people think and behave. The E/I groups given a problem to solve produced a very noisy discussion at one end of the room and a quiet analysis at the other end. When asked to evaluate a poster of four musicians on a stage most people discussed the art techniques - the lines and colours etc. I looked at it and I could tell a story about the loss of a band member who had just died of AIDS and the sadness of the remaining musicians. This was clear illustration of the S/N contrast.

I now think tools like the MB test can be useful in understanding differences and the school was correct in offering it to the staff.
 
Most reputable psychiatrists/psychologists dismiss Myers Briggs as pseudoscience, at best. It's about as accurate as a Ouija board.
Interesting, after I read a little about what it meant I think mine was not too far off. I can see myself as a "Logician".

Now I'll have to find a Ouija board and see what that brings...
 
For those of you who are interested, there is an excellent article in today's (August 30) Guardian about the Myers-Briggs test. I would suggest that you read it with an open mind.
 


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