A COVID Surge Overwhelming Hospitals, Raising Fears of Rationed Care

There actually is evidence that ivermectin is an effective treatment of covid-19.

Conclusions:​
Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified.​

Imagine that. :unsure:
 

Irwin said:
There actually is evidence that ivermectin is an effective treatment of covid-19.

Conclusions:​
Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified.​

Imagine that. :unsure:
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This isn't a paper or an assessment by the NCBI nor is it an endorsement of the information contained within, it's merely a republishing of an article by the American Journal of Therapeutics.
 
StarSong said:
This isn't a paper or an assessment by the NCBI nor is it an endorsement of the information contained within, it's merely a republishing of an article by the American Journal of Therapeutics.
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WHY do we have to have Assessments from NCBI or any other so-called place of supposable knowledge. Don's Dr. told him This is NOT FDA approved but I know it works because of all the patients I've seen & used it on & they did not die & they got much better faster.

I'm starting to believe the Dr's that are using it instead of the other CDC or any other place. Our hospital has tents set up in parking lots that are giving this to patients & in our local papers they are saying, the people that got the ivermectin 30 milligrams at the hospital tent did not have to go on a ventilator & they recovered much faster.

The news is just trying to scare everyone with their hyped-up do not use this as it's not good for you. Everyone should stop listening to the news.
 

Covid lunacy abounds on all sides.

My wife helps out at an afterschool program from 2-6 every day. The children and staff are required to wear masks indoors but not outdoors. During outdoor playtime, the unmasked children huddle together, tell secrets, hug each other and do whatever kids do on a playground. Then they put their masks back on and go inside.

After school, their unmasked parents take them to restaurants at which they are not required to wear masks. Or to play dates at friends' houses (again, no mask requirements).

How is this helping anything? It all seems like Kabuki theater to me.
 
StarSong said:
This isn't a paper or an assessment by the NCBI nor is it an endorsement of the information contained within, it's merely a republishing of an article by the American Journal of Therapeutics.
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The American Journal of Therapeutics article (link to visuals) is a literature review and meta analysis, so findings from multiple studies are reviewed and compared. The lead authors for the individual studies are in the second column.

Here are the stats in tabular form with easy to interpret visuals in the last two columns:

Figure 1: Prophylaxis

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Figure 2: Recovery time

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Figure 3: Mortality

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Tom 86 said:
The news is just trying to scare everyone with their hyped-up do not use this as it's not good for you. Everyone should stop listening to the news.
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I've backed off reading media opinions regarding medicine since they're so polarizing and are often flat out misinformation.

Hope that the "not good for you" message is to not self-medicate with veterinary forms of Ivermectin rather than casting erroneous negativity on the drug itself. It is used for both humans and livestock, but the dosage for humans must be determined by a human medical practitioner and obtained by prescription from a pharmacy.
 
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AnnieA said:
I've backed off reading media opinions regarding medicine since they're so polarizing and are often flat out misinformation.

Hope that the "not good for you" message is to not self-medicate with veterinary forms of Ivermectin rather than casting erroneous negativity on the drug itself. It is used for both humans and livestock, but the dosage for humans must be determined by a human medical practitioner and obtained by prescription from a pharmacy.
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That's how everyone around here is getting it. See a Dr. or to the hospital triage tent & they prescribe the ivermectin 30 milligrams. Then, you go to a pharmacy to pick them up. The hospital tent is connected to the hospital & Pharmacy, so they bring it to you.
 
Tom 86 said:
That's how everyone around here is getting it. See a Dr. or to the hospital triage tent & they prescribe the ivermectin 30 milligrams. Then, you go to a pharmacy to pick them up. The hospital tent is connected to the hospital & Pharmacy, so they bring it to you.
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It's usually dosed in milligrams per kilogram body weight. I saw on another thread that your friend was prescribed it. Maybe the 30 mg was based on his body weight?
 
We are due to peak in numbers in October.
Where the staff will come from to treat these people is beyond me, although an ICU RN stated they are now retraining nurses from all fields to become ICU nurses.

II have a feeling that all Nursing homes and retirement villages will be run by AINS(Assistants in nursing)

I was working as an RN in John Hunter Hospital during the SARS pandemic, they put us in a 6-week rotation, in those 6 weeks we were confined to nurses accommodation when we were not on the wards working.
SARS was nothing compared to Covid.
 
Tish said:
We are due to peak in numbers in October.
Where the staff will come from to treat these people is beyond me, although an ICU RN stated they are now retraining nurses from all fields to become ICU nurses.

II have a feeling that all Nursing homes and retirement villages will be run by AINS(Assistants in nursing)

I was working as an RN in John Hunter Hospital during the SARS pandemic, they put us in a 6-week rotation, in those 6 weeks we were confined to nurses accommodation when we were not on the wards working.
SARS was nothing compared to Covid.
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If by "accommodation" you mean turning patients, being the second pair of eyes necessary when certain procedures are done, etc., this is now being done. Administrators are also filling these roles. The problem, of course, is that this takes nurses away from non-COVID rooms. :(
 
Dancing_Queen said:
If by "accommodation" you mean turning patients, being the second pair of eyes necessary when certain procedures are done, etc., this is now being done. Administrators are also filling these roles. The problem, of course, is that this takes nurses away from non-COVID rooms. :(
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"...in those 6 weeks we were confined to nurses accommodation when we were not on the wards working."
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I think she meant the nurses had to live in a restricted area while not on duty.
 
Dancing_Queen said:
If by "accommodation" you mean turning patients, being the second pair of eyes necessary when certain procedures are done, etc., this is now being done. Administrators are also filling these roles. The problem, of course, is that this takes nurses away from non-COVID rooms. :(
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What I meant by accommodation is we nurses were not allowed back home during those 6 weeks.
 
Irwin said:
When they catch covid, they should have to make an appointment to get treated rather than clogging up the emergency rooms and they should be given the lowest priority when being accepted into hospitals. A vaccinated person with an ingrown toenail should be treated before unvaccinated people with covid.
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How do you feel about vaccinated people with Covid?
 
Medical care shortages has been 'an' issue long before the time of the virus.

The AMA/American Medical Association has lobbied for a set number of doctors for decades including placing limits on the number of federally funded residency programs. They didn't want competition or alternatives and did their best to stifle it. They've even frowned upon practices expanding. This 'policy' has helped keep prices high and practices full. Problem is many doctors and others in administrative positions making these decisions came from this era/ were mentored by these types. This was their policy at least through the 1990s.

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/american-medical-association-the-strongest-trade-union-in-the-u-s-a/

Without expanding practices and/or more doctors to open them this lead or leads to fewer hospitals and facilities in general. And rationed care. This is part of the reason why in some areas a hospital can charge $5k for an mri and others it's $500. This contrived medical care market makes it harder to treat those with the commorbidities that are leading to many hospitalizations. With more gp's around perhaps it would've lowered the cost and convenience of care that would've helped many a patient much earlier in their lives.
 
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WhatInThe said:
Medical care shortages has been 'an' issue long before the time of the virus.

The AMA/American Medical Association has lobbied for a set number of doctors for decades including placing limits on the number of federally funded residency programs. They didn't want competition or alternatives and did their best to stifle it. They've even frowned upon practices expanding. This 'policy' has helped keep prices high and practices full. Problem is many doctors and others in administrative positions making these decisions came from this era/ were mentored by these types. This was their policy at least through the 1990s.

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/american-medical-association-the-strongest-trade-union-in-the-u-s-a/

Without expanding practices and/or more doctors to open them this lead or leads to fewer hospitals and facilities in general. And rationed care. This is part of the reason why in some areas a hospital can charge $5k for an mri and others it's $500. This contrived medical care market makes it harder to treat those with the commorbidities that are leading to many hospitalizations. With more gp's around perhaps it would've lowered the cost and convenience of care that would've helped many a patient much earlier in their lives.
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And it's just about impossible for a specialist from another country to come here and work in that specialty. She has to go through another residency and they're impossible to find for that group. Therefore, my doctors' offices have foreign specialists working as techs. :( As a matter of fact, my optometrist had a tech who was an ophthalmologist (she left to home school her son when COVID hit).
 
Dancing_Queen said:
And it's just about impossible for a specialist from another country to come here and work in that specialty. She has to go through another residency and they're impossible to find for that group. Therefore, my doctors' offices have foreign specialists working as techs. :( As a matter of fact, my optometrist had a tech who was an ophthalmologist (she left to home school her son when COVID hit).
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In the US, no additional residency is required but the practitioner must pass the board certification exam for their area of practice.
 
JimBob1952 said:
I don't know how a pandemic ever became a political issue, but it did.

My friends on the left live in fear. Although they are all vaccinated (some have already gotten boosters) they are wary of social interactions. They mask up wherever they go.

My friends on the right are unconcerned. They don't mask unless forced to, and, while all have been vaccinated, they cheerfully go to college football games and other crowded events.

My friends on the left blamed the orange guy for the outbreak and its spread. They pooh-poohed the vaccine until Biden took office. Then they mocked anyone who wouldn't get the vaccine as an ignorant goober. They thought Biden was doing a great job in fighting the virus, until one day they didn't. They take everything Dr. Fauci says as gospel, although to me it's clear that he's a) highly politicized and b) willing to stretch the truth when it suits him (witness his lies about the outside funding of the Wuhan lab).

As usual, I'm somewhere in the middle. It's clear the vaccine is neither as effective nor as long-lasting as once thought, although it does work. I'm skeptical of masking but I stay away from crowded places and keep my distance from people. And I do think the media overhypes the severity of the Delta variant outbreak. For example, hospitalization rates have started to go down, but there is no reporting on that.

Another thing I can't understand is wearing a mask in a restaurant. You have to take it off to eat and drink. Why not just leave it off until the meal is over? Or, if you're so concerned, skip eating in a restaurant altogether? It obviously doesn't do any good to keep putting it on and taking it off.
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Good post. It did seem to me that the U.S. was getting the virus under control, until we opened the southern border to hundreds of thousands of illegals allowing them to enter with no vetting, no testing and no vaccinating. Now we have the same with the Afghans we brought here. At last count, 1,375,000 illegals have come into this country as of 21 August 2021.

The real irony of this is that since we now have mandated vaccinations through employers with 100 workers or more, and not taking into consideration the person’s health situation or if they had the virus and have natural antibodies, they must get the vaccine. However, there is no such mandate for the illegals or the Afghans. Who the hell do they think is spreading this virus? The people that are illegally coming here are among the most probable spreaders in this country. Why is that so hard to understand? Close the borders or more will die and their blood will be on the hands of those allowing it to happen.
 
AnnieA said:
In the US, no additional residency is required but the practitioner must pass the board certification exam for their area of practice.
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I'm talking about the U.S., Florida in particular. If they pass an exam, they can practice as general practitioners, but not work in their specialties.
 
Been There said:
Good post. It did seem to me that the U.S. was getting the virus under control, until we opened the southern border to hundreds of thousands of illegals allowing them to enter with no vetting, no testing and no vaccinating. Now we have the same with the Afghans we brought here. At last count, 1,375,000 illegals have come into this country as of 21 August 2021.

The real irony of this is that since we now have mandated vaccinations through employers with 100 workers or more, and not taking into consideration the person’s health situation or if they had the virus and have natural antibodies, they must get the vaccine. However, there is no such mandate for the illegals or the Afghans. Who the hell do they think is spreading this virus? The people that are illegally coming here are among the most probable spreaders in this country. Why is that so hard to understand? Close the borders or more will die and their blood will be on the hands of those allowing it to happen.
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The reason only some people are being required to take the vaccine is that Biden can do only what he's allowed to do by law and the Constitution. It's amazing the outreach that's being done in my Florida county to reach illegals, but Biden has no control over mandates in that or most other areas. Through OSHA he does have control over employees of large companies. Of course, we need to remember that OSHA has almost no manpower or budget; so, in the vast majority of cases, all that this will do is give cover to employers who have wanted to require vaccines, but were facing huge opposition.

"Sweeping new mandates apply to businesses with more than 100 employees, whose workers would have to be inoculated or face weekly testing."

He isn't requiring vaccines without regard for their health; they have the option of weekly testing.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/09/09/covid-vaccine-requirement-businesses/
 
Dancing_Queen said:
I'm talking about the U.S., Florida in particular. If they pass an exam, they can practice as general practitioners, but not work in their specialties.
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Maybe a state thing? ...but that's weird. Boards are to ensure competency, so I'm not sure why anything is required beyond passing them. I've worked with foreign educated nephrologists in Memphis who didn't do an additional residency. They were US board certified in nephrology, however, because they passed boards.
 
The longer this pandemic continues, the more our health care system will decline. Here's an ominous indication of what the future may bring, especially for Seniors.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/older-patients-could-denied-treatment-161100236.html

With more and more hospitals reaching capacity, and providers/nurses being overwhelmed (some even leaving the profession), hospitals may soon have to start making decisions on who they will treat.
 

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