Migrants in Texas: US 'to fly thousands back to Haiti'

JimBob1952 said:
And replace them with left-wing dictators like Castro? No thanks.
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Butterfly said:
I do not think that is the way it is supposed to work. I think he meant welcoming legal immigration.


The "anchor baby" thing is a myth. Having a baby born here to illegal immigrants just means that the child is a US citizen, so the child can stay and be put into foster care or with US relatives, but the parents can still be deported. Having a US born child does not in any way change the status of undocumented parents. I worked in a law office that did some immigration work and that "anchor baby" thing was one of the major misconceptions people had. It doesn't work that way.
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Of course it doesn't make the parents citizens. However, it's part of the process of making people harder to deport.

This is from Politifact, a supposedly objective "fact-checking" source:

"However, having a citizen child can produce some short-term benefits, said Marc Rosenblum, a senior policy analyst for the Migration Policy Institute. Pregnant women and nursing mothers could be eligible for certain benefits under the Women-Infants-Children (WIC) program, which provides food and nutrition vouchers, and their children could enroll in Medicaid, although the undocumented parents could not. Having a child can also help an undocumented parent qualify for relief from deportation, but only 4,000 unauthorized immigrants can receive such status per year, and the alien has to have been in the U.S. for at least 10 years. That means very long odds, Rosenblum said.

Most of the benefits of citizenship accrue over the much longer term. The child will be able to work here legally once he or she is old enough, said Roberto Suro, a communications and journalism professor at the University of Southern California who specializes in Hispanic issues, and when they're ready for college, they'll qualify for in-state tuition at most public colleges. "It is a hell of a lot of deferred gratification at best," he said."

And whether they are "anchor babies" or not, there are a lot of them. From the same report:

"According to a report by the Pew Hispanic Center, a think tank that has done extensive research on immigration policy, 3.8 million undocumented immigrants have at least one child who is a citizen. "Most children of unauthorized immigrants -- 73 percent in 2008 -- are U.S. citizens by birth," the center says. That's up from 63 percent in 2003.

These statistics suggest not only that the number is large, but is also growing.

To offer a concrete example, we found a 2006 article from the Dallas Morning News about Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas, a safety-net facility for poor residents. As many of 70 percent of the roughly 16,000 women giving birth annually at the hospital were immigrants who were in the U.S. illegally, according to one survey cited in the story."

https://www.politifact.com/factchec.../illegal-immigrants-anchor-babies-birthright/
 


Alligatorob said:
Don't know why they refuse immigrant returns, or the legal basis for it. Seems like they ought to take their own citizens.

However we have to take some of the blame for the drugs and guns. Without the huge demand in the US there would be no money in it and much less a problem. I think solving that problem would make a lot of Mexicans happy and their country a safer place to live. And its not just Mexico...
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I listen to the BBC on Sirius-XM and they were reporting that the U.S. has already had over 100,000 deaths from drug overdoses this year. We are on our way to having an all time high number. They also reported that the majority of these deaths were from using Fentanyl coming from Mexico. I feel for the families that have had relatives die from this junk. It's not easy trying to get your child off of this poison. I have a good friend whose son was addicted for the past 4 years now. He has been to three different rehabs trying to release himself from the drugs. It has been a real struggle for the family as they watch their child die. (As they put it.)
 
oldman said:
the U.S. has already had over 100,000 deaths from drug overdoses this year.
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Yes it is an awful epidemic. My cousin's son died of an overdose of some kind of opioid a couple of years ago, he was my cousin's only child. It ruined several lives...

The DEA says China, Mexico and India are major sources of fentanyl ( https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/f...8-20 Fentanyl Flow in the United States_0.pdf )

I don't know the answer to this problem, only that our ongoing "War on drugs" has been an abysmal failure. I believe that so long as the demand is there people in poorer countries will find a way to fill it, too much money not to. Here is something interesting Wikipedia has to say about Mexico:

Over the past few decades drug cartels have become integrated into Mexico's economy. Approximately 500 cities are directly engaged in drug trafficking and nearly 450,000 people are employed by drug cartels. Additionally, the livelihood of 3.2 million people is dependent on the drug cartels. Between local and international sales, such as to Europe and the United States, drug cartels in Mexico see a $25–30bn yearly profit, a great deal of which circulates through international banks such as HSBC. Drug cartels are fundamental in local economics. A percentage of the profits seen from the trade are invested in the local community. Such profits contribute to the education and healthcare of the community. While these cartels bring violence and hazards into communities, they create jobs and provide income for its many members.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_drug_trade
 

"Horrific," cried the Sec of Homeland regarding the Immigration Officer with the bull whip. :mad:
Nonsense, if he was assigned the task or corralling a group of people that do not want to be corralled, he might
understand how difficult the task is...

Your news gathered by five second video clips irks me.

We use horses on our own: Ny, Philly and other large American cities use mounted police for crowd control.

If you have never attempted to control people that only wanted to flee, keep your mouth shut.
Just another official making a statement on a situation he knows little about.

(Post 103, is scary)
 
A tiny fraction of the Haitians who are trying to illegally enter the U.S.
It has been said that any country that can not controls its own borders is a country that is coming apart at its seams.
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At many protests during the 1960s horses were used by police to control crowds, even when the crowds were peaceful. I was chased by a cop on a horse (we used to call that 'pigs on horses') and managed to escape by a saleslady unlocking her store to let me in. She saved me from serious injury. This was in lower Manhattan. It was an anti-draft protest. All we were doing was marching, no one was out of line. It was peaceful until the cops on horses tried to scatter us.

Prior to the march I saw my friend Morris put a bunch of marbles in his pocket. I asked him what they were for and he said 'you'll see' and I did see Morris throw the marbles on the ground. No horse was hurt but it was funny to see them sliding all over the place. Morris was protecting humans do our constitutional rights.

Anyway, I do not condemn the use of horses to control the Haitians. In fact, I think it was a good idea. We can't be invaded like that, we can't be blamed for protecting borders. People are acting like it's an antebellum thing. It's not, it happened to me, it's nothing new.
 
As expected some media are showing the rangers mounted on their horses shoving people in order to do whatever and the media instantly scream "police brutality!"
 
Pepper said:
At many protests during the 1960s horses were used by police to control crowds, even when the crowds were peaceful. I was chased by a cop on a horse (we used to call that 'pigs on horses') and managed to escape by a saleslady unlocking her store to let me in. She saved me from serious injury. This was in lower Manhattan. It was an anti-draft protest. All we were doing was marching, no one was out of line. It was peaceful until the cops on horses tried to scatter us.

Prior to the march I saw my friend Morris put a bunch of marbles in his pocket. I asked him what they were for and he said 'you'll see' and I did see Morris throw the marbles on the ground. No horse was hurt but it was funny to see them sliding all over the place. Morris was protecting humans do our constitutional rights.

Anyway, I do not condemn the use of horses to control the Haitians. In fact, I think it was a good idea. We can't be invaded like that, we can't be blamed for protecting borders. People are acting like it's an antebellum thing. It's not, it happened to me, it's nothing new.
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Non non Pepper! it is not funny to throw marbles under the horses. Injured horses is horrible to see!
 
SOunds pretty definitive as to what is being done with the bridge folks --

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/h...0-98mass-expulsion-e2-80-99-claims/ar-AAOItlb

Citing two sources, the AP report indicates that the scale of this release is massive.


Haitians have been freed on a “very, very large scale” in recent days, according to one U.S. official with direct knowledge of operations. The official, who was not authorized to discuss the matter and thus spoke on condition of anonymity, put the figure in the thousands.
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The administration and the Department of Homeland Security have repeatedly stated that large-scale operation was underway including “expulsion flights,” but the AP report on Wednesday contradicts that.


A second U.S. official, also with direct knowledge and speaking on the condition of anonymity, said large numbers of Haitians were being processed under immigration laws and not being placed on expulsion flights to Hait i that started Sunday.
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senior chef said:
When I married my now Ex wife, she had already become a U.S. citizen. That entitled her to petition for her mother. Once the mother was here, she then petitioned to have her brothers enter the U.S.

If my experience is any example, having a close relative as a naturalized U.S. citizen, gives a major leg up for other close relatives to also enter the U.S. Thus, when the baby spoken about above reaches adulthood, he/she can petition to have his/her mother/father come here. Etc. Etc. on and on, almost without limit.
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Yeah, but that's 21 years down the road. But some people think that if you come into the US and have a baby here that somehow means you can stay here. It doesn't.
 
HarryHawk said:
I'd be interested in hearing the actual facts, I can find many references that 100,000's of people have been entering the country over the southern border every month. Can you please provide a specific reference as to how many of those people who have entered the country have been deported to date?

thanks
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I believe the hundreds of thousands per day figure is greatly inflated.
 
senior chef said:
Hundreds of thousands/day is definitely greatly inflated. BUT, hundreds of hundreds of thousands/month is spot on.
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I believe the number is 100’s of 1000’s per month would be more correct. I heard on TV that in July and August, about 200,000 per month was entering illegally. I never thought we (the U.S.) would open our borders to anyone wishing to come in. Down the road, I can see all kinds of problems coming into play.
 
oldman said:
I believe the number is 100’s of 1000’s per month would be more correct. I heard on TV that in July and August, about 200,000 per month was entering illegally. I never thought we (the U.S.) would open our borders to anyone wishing to come in. Down the road, I can see all kinds of problems coming into play.
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And, this Winter, won't they be hunkering down in the Southwest states?
 
What a mess, in the long run the most humane thing we can do is put a stop to it. Making sure they do not have jobs or funding here, and sending them home is the best way to end it. No reason to go all that way if there is no reward.

That said I do think we need to treat the people as well as we can. The feds pretty much have to do this, its too big for the people of a small town like Del Rio, and the borders are a federal responsibility...

I was in Del Rio about 40 years ago, remember walking across the bridge to Mexico and enjoying the day. I went into a local Mexican bar and the people were happy to see an American there trying (mostly unsuccessfully) to speak Spanish. I got bought a lot of drinks, had to get up and out while I could still walk, LOL. Good folks, all was good. Hope things can get back to something more like that...
 
Oh yes, if it wasn't for us Canadians and all those Americans buying the drugs, we wouldn't have a drug problem. I don't blame the Mexicans or anyone else bringing in the drugs because they seek an opportunity to make some money. I often wonder why Canada and the USA needs so much illegal drugs?
 
Alligatorob said:
What a mess, in the long run the most humane thing we can do is put a stop to it. Making sure they do not have jobs or funding here, and sending them home is the best way to end it. No reason to go all that way if there is no reward.

That said I do think we need to treat the people as well as we can. The feds pretty much have to do this, its too big for the people of a small town like Del Rio, and the borders are a federal responsibility...

I was in Del Rio about 40 years ago, remember walking across the bridge to Mexico and enjoying the day. I went into a local Mexican bar and the people were happy to see an American there trying (mostly unsuccessfully) to speak Spanish. I got bought a lot of drinks, had to get up and out while I could still walk, LOL. Good folks, all was good. Hope things can get back to something more like that...
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Your first three words said it all, but there is more to this than meets the eye. There is a political agenda at play here.
 

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