Vaccines

[Butterfly]

Sentiment differs around the world and according to the control the government exercises over their population. Cuba has the highest vaccination rate, but they still had tremendous spikes July through now. Great Britain is about 85% vaccinated (over 12), and they still are struggling with spikes. China lies about it all, and the world will never know how many cases and deaths they have had. It is not going away... and the additional doses don't necessarily help with the newer strains. I guess the solution is to take boosters every 3-4 months for the rest of your life?

If that's what it takes to stay alive, I'll do it. It really is no big deal to go get a booster shot, and a lot less trouble than ending up in the ICU.

 

[win231]

The link with vaccine rates by CNN is not very good. It doesn't tell a whole lot. It has mistakes on it for sure that are easily identifiable.

Let's not be ALARMIST! The vaccines have proven to help those who get them to not be seriously ill if they get covid. Of course as also already determined the vaccines are not foolproof but a HELLUVA LOT better than not getting it!! So, die if you must but hopefully I won't and those who have gotten the vaccines and boosters will prevail.

That national library link is also not very reliable. Try and go by the USA reports. They seem to be the most reliable.

Great! You can watch all the unvaccinated die, while you live because your vaccine protects you.
So......why are you so worried about the unvaccinated? No confidence in your vaccine?
And, here's a suggestion: Before you call other people "Idiots," do something about your 1st-grade spelling & grammar:
"I'm not talking about those who don't vaccine."
"Infecting others by not vaccinning."
"There personal freedoms are at risk."

Were all the schools closed when you were a child?

 

[Shero]

I haven't gotten my booster.... I may not. Why? It isn't proven to be effective against Delta variant, and it is totally worthless with the Lambda variant..... "The newly emerging variants of SARS-CoV-2 from India (Delta variant) and South America (Lambda variant) have led to a higher infection rate of either vaccinated or unvaccinated people. We found that sera from Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine remain high reactivity toward the receptor binding domain (RBD) of Delta variant while it drops dramatically toward that of Lambda variant. Interestingly, the overall titer of antibodies of Pfizer-BioNTech vaccinated individuals drops 3-fold after 6 months, which could be one of major reasons for breakthrough infections, emphasizing the importance of potential third boost shot. While a therapeutic antibody, Bamlanivimab, decreases binding affinity to Delta variant by ~20 fold, it fully lost binding to Lambda variant. Structural modeling of complexes of RBD with human receptor, Angiotensin Converting Enzyme 2 (ACE2), and Bamlanivimab suggest the potential basis of the change of binding. The data suggest possible danger and a potential surge of Lambda variant in near future" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34462744/

What you have posted is a Preprint Article. Preprints have not been peer reviewed !!

Now if you wish to know a little about the “lambda variant” read this, follow the link and play the video: or read the transcript!

“The first question today is about some of the chatter that we are hearing around the Lambda variant.

As you know, viruses change, they mutate. Every time a virus replicates, every time a virus copies itself, there is a chance that it might make a mistake in that copy and that's what we call a mutation. Most mutations don't make a change or actually render the virus unviable, which means that they don't pass on. But some mutations give the virus an advantage. If that advantage can be that it transmits itself more, that it makes more copies of itself or that it's harder to combat by our immune system, those advantageous mutations that are advantageous for the virus, not for us, often get selected as part of natural selection and then new variants or strains of the viruses emerge. That's what we have seen with the so-called Delta variant and that is more transmissible that is causing the majority of the outbreaks in Australia at the moment.

The variants have a complex naming system but, for simplicity, are now getting named by the Greek alphabet letters. We are currently fighting the Delta variant. The dominant strain from last year that was first identified in the UK was the alpha variant, and now we are talking about the Lambda variant which is a variant that was first identified in Peru in December 2020 and it's growing prevalence in South America at the moment. The scientific community is still investigating the context of the Lambda variant and what it means in terms of transmissibility and severity and there is no conclusive data yet. We will keep reviewing what the evidence is and base our public policies on the information that arises. It's important to note as well that the WHO classifies different strains of the virus as variants of interest or variants of concern. A variant of interest is a variety of the virus that may exhibit some of the mutations that give an implication that it may be more transmissible or more severe or have impact into the disease progression, but until it is understood that that is actually happening within the population they don't get classed as a variant of concern. Delta, the variant that is causing the majority of the transmission in Australia at the moment, is a variant of concern, whereas Lambda at the moment is a variant of interest. We will keep you updated as more information comes available.

https://www.health.gov.au/news/top-...nd-getting-a-covid-19-vaccination-whilst-sick
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[chic]

While many have taken the vaccine successfully, many have been harmed by it according to Vaers and I do believe those reports, videos and public testimonies I've watched claiming harm from the vaccine just as I believe many of my friends and relatives have had the vaccine without negative side effects, so far.

But some of those friends and family members are not getting boosters. I suppose they will if coerced, ie - they could lose a job for not being fully vaccinated. In Israel, the most vaccinated country, they are planning a 4th booster! If you do not take all the boosters you lose your "freedom" pass. So you become unvaccinated again.

I do think Vaers incidents will increase when they vaccinate the children and there is no need for this. It's safer for kids to go unvaccinated for covid statistically.

 

[Aneeda72]

Great! You can watch all the unvaccinated die, while you live because your vaccine protects you.
So......why are you so worried about the unvaccinated? No confidence in your vaccine?
And, here's a suggestion: Before you call other people "Idiots," do something about your 1st-grade spelling & grammar:
"I'm not talking about those who don't vaccine."
"Infecting others by not vaccinning."
"There personal freedoms are at risk."

Were all the schools closed when you were a child?

@win231 you have taken to called people idiots a lot lately, so here is a suggestion for you: STOP

 

[Aneeda72]

@win231 Sadly the vaccine was NEVER meant to keep people from getting Covid. Why people keep forgetting this on this forum and in the real world is beyond me. Unless you have personally dealt with Covid yourself or through family or friends, your yapping is just that, yapping and needless name calling over a subject you have NO DIRECT KNOWLEDGE of.

The vaccine was and is meant to be a protection against severe Covid and death. Hopefully, it would prevent hospitalization as well. The saddest breakthrough cases of all those are those that result in death, of course.

As it was learned that the antibodies drop, a booster was suggested and allowed. It was not allowed in time for my vaccinated youngest son to get this shot, thus he caught Delta Covid-19 and was hospitalized. Delta spread like wildfire through the sheltered workshop and the workshop is now closed for two weeks.

The booster shot was not available to my older son, due to age restriction. My oldest son has been vaccinated and has had COVID before the vaccine was available. He sat with his youngest brother, at the hospital, for four hours until I could get there. Risking catching Delta Covid so his brother, with Downs Syndrome, was not terrified. At his SO’s insistence he will get retested Tuesday, (he got tested too early) to make sure he does not have symptomless Delta Covid.

I will not get tested. I see my youngest son, who is now out of the hospital and at home, every day. Those with Delta can shed the virus for 21 days, not 14. I have been vaccinated and I have had the booster, and I am not afraid. You get covid or you don’t.

I have also had direct conversations with the “Covid” doctors, which you have not, as far as I know. As I said on previous threads, vaccinated or unvaccinated does not matter to the catching of the Delta variety of Covid. It matters to the recovery. It matters a great deal.

My youngest son is alive because he was vaccinated and received remdesivir-not some over the counter crap medicine sold and endorsed, to use you favorite word, by idiots @win231 I now urge everyone to get vaccinated and get the booster because I know it is the only chance most of us have to survive the infection.

But I never cared if the unvaccinated get vaccinated. It is their right to die. It is their right to get Covid. It is their right to get long Covid - something my son won’t get because, according to the Covid docs, the vaccinated don’t get long Covid.

While my son is still fighting Covid, and I am still worried, he looks better every day. I can not imagine how I would feel if I, as his legal guardian and mother, refused to get him vaccinated and instead of writing in this thread; I was making funeral arrangements.

With my favorite son Joey continuously in my thoughts. I, again, urge everyone to get vaccinated because if a loved one gets Covid and is hospitalized you might only be allowed to visit if you have been vaccinated.

Do you really want the last sight of a loved one to be via a computer screen or on the phone? Would you let your frightened child, whatever age, or grandchild or great grandchild die in a hospital among strangers? I would not. Would you?

Do not get vaccinated for yourself. Do not get vaccinated for the “general population”. Get vaccinated for your family, so you can be there as you have always been there. Or don’t. It is your choice.

 

[Aneeda72]

While many have taken the vaccine successfully, many have been harmed by it according to Vaers and I do believe those reports, videos and public testimonies I've watched claiming harm from the vaccine just as I believe many of my friends and relatives have had the vaccine without negative side effects, so far.

But some of those friends and family members are not getting boosters. I suppose they will if coerced, ie - they could lose a job for not being fully vaccinated. In Israel, the most vaccinated country, they are planning a 4th booster! If you do not take all the boosters you lose your "freedom" pass. So you become unvaccinated again.

I do think Vaers incidents will increase when they vaccinate the children and there is no need for this. It's safer for kids to go unvaccinated for covid statistically.

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I hope there is a 4th vaccination here. If so, I will get a different variety of vaccine. In fact, I’d like to be vaccinated every 6 months. The third vaccine laid me on my butt, so to speak, but better that than covid.

 

[Shero]

While many have taken the vaccine successfully, many have been harmed by it according to Vaers and I do believe those reports, videos and public testimonies I've watched claiming harm from the vaccine just as I believe many of my friends and relatives have had the vaccine without negative side effects, so far.

But some of those friends and family members are not getting boosters. I suppose they will if coerced, ie - they could lose a job for not being fully vaccinated. In Israel, the most vaccinated country, they are planning a 4th booster! If you do not take all the boosters you lose your "freedom" pass. So you become unvaccinated again.

I do think Vaers incidents will increase when they vaccinate the children and there is no need for this. It's safer for kids to go unvaccinated for covid statistically.

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When this child grows up, she or he will hate their mother for endangering their life !

 

[Aneeda72]

What you have posted is a Preprint Article. Preprints have not been peer reviewed !!

Now if you wish to know a little about the “lambda variant” read this, follow the link and play the video: or read the transcript!

“The first question today is about some of the chatter that we are hearing around the Lambda variant.

As you know, viruses change, they mutate. Every time a virus replicates, every time a virus copies itself, there is a chance that it might make a mistake in that copy and that's what we call a mutation. Most mutations don't make a change or actually render the virus unviable, which means that they don't pass on. But some mutations give the virus an advantage. If that advantage can be that it transmits itself more, that it makes more copies of itself or that it's harder to combat by our immune system, those advantageous mutations that are advantageous for the virus, not for us, often get selected as part of natural selection and then new variants or strains of the viruses emerge. That's what we have seen with the so-called Delta variant and that is more transmissible that is causing the majority of the outbreaks in Australia at the moment.

The variants have a complex naming system but, for simplicity, are now getting named by the Greek alphabet letters. We are currently fighting the Delta variant. The dominant strain from last year that was first identified in the UK was the alpha variant, and now we are talking about the Lambda variant which is a variant that was first identified in Peru in December 2020 and it's growing prevalence in South America at the moment. The scientific community is still investigating the context of the Lambda variant and what it means in terms of transmissibility and severity and there is no conclusive data yet. We will keep reviewing what the evidence is and base our public policies on the information that arises. It's important to note as well that the WHO classifies different strains of the virus as variants of interest or variants of concern. A variant of interest is a variety of the virus that may exhibit some of the mutations that give an implication that it may be more transmissible or more severe or have impact into the disease progression, but until it is understood that that is actually happening within the population they don't get classed as a variant of concern. Delta, the variant that is causing the majority of the transmission in Australia at the moment, is a variant of concern, whereas Lambda at the moment is a variant of interest. We will keep you updated as more information comes available.

https://www.health.gov.au/news/top-...nd-getting-a-covid-19-vaccination-whilst-sick
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The Delta variant is what people in Utah, USA have 90% of the time.

 

[win231]

@win231 you have taken to called people idiots a lot lately, so here is a suggestion for you: STOP

Here are two suggestions for YOU.
1. I'll call anyone an idiot - after they call me an idiot. They are the idiot for starting it. Perhaps you might try reading Post #15 so YOU don't look like an idiot as well.

2. MYOB

 

[win231]

@win231 Sadly the vaccine was NEVER meant to keep people from getting Covid. Why people keep forgetting this on this forum and in the real world is beyond me. Unless you have personally dealt with Covid yourself or through family or friends, your yapping is just that, yapping and needless name calling over a subject you have NO DIRECT KNOWLEDGE of.

The vaccine was and is meant to be a protection against severe Covid and death. Hopefully, it would prevent hospitalization as well. The saddest breakthrough cases of all those are those that result in death, of course.

As it was learned that the antibodies drop, a booster was suggested and allowed. It was not allowed in time for my vaccinated youngest son to get this shot, thus he caught Delta Covid-19 and was hospitalized. Delta spread like wildfire through the sheltered workshop and the workshop is now closed for two weeks.

The booster shot was not available to my older son, due to age restriction. My oldest son has been vaccinated and has had COVID before the vaccine was available. He sat with his youngest brother, at the hospital, for four hours until I could get there. Risking catching Delta Covid so his brother, with Downs Syndrome, was not terrified. At his SO’s insistence he will get retested Tuesday, (he got tested too early) to make sure he does not have symptomless Delta Covid.

I will not get tested. I see my youngest son, who is now out of the hospital and at home, every day. Those with Delta can shed the virus for 21 days, not 14. I have been vaccinated and I have had the booster, and I am not afraid. You get covid or you don’t.

I have also had direct conversations with the “Covid” doctors, which you have not, as far as I know. As I said on previous threads, vaccinated or unvaccinated does not matter to the catching of the Delta variety of Covid. It matters to the recovery. It matters a great deal.

My youngest son is alive because he was vaccinated and received remdesivir-not some over the counter crap medicine sold and endorsed, to use you favorite word, by idiots @win231 I now urge everyone to get vaccinated and get the booster because I know it is the only chance most of us have to survive the infection.

But I never cared if the unvaccinated get vaccinated. It is their right to die. It is their right to get Covid. It is their right to get long Covid - something my son won’t get because, according to the Covid docs, the vaccinated don’t get long Covid.

While my son is still fighting Covid, and I am still worried, he looks better every day. I can not imagine how I would feel if I, as his legal guardian and mother, refused to get him vaccinated and instead of writing in this thread; I was making funeral arrangements.

With my favorite son Joey continuously in my thoughts. I, again, urge everyone to get vaccinated because if a loved one gets Covid and is hospitalized you might only be allowed to visit if you have been vaccinated.

Do you really want the last sight of a loved one to be via a computer screen or on the phone? Would you let your frightened child, whatever age, or grandchild or great grandchild die in a hospital among strangers? I would not. Would you?

Do not get vaccinated for yourself. Do not get vaccinated for the “general population”. Get vaccinated for your family, so you can be there as you have always been there. Or don’t. It is your choice.

As you rightfully said - in your LAST sentence, it's MY choice. I need not justify my choice - whether I don't think the vaccine is safe or whether or not I think it's effective. I have no problem with anyone's choice to get vaccinated. BUT anyone who ridicules those who don't want to get vaccinated is an idiot.

 

[Mike]

I started this thread with tongue in cheek and a smile, little
did I expect war to break out and some insults thrown in for
good measure.

My vaccinations are up-to-date and I got a booster yesterday,
I don't really care if others are not fully vaccinated, some are
unable for health, or reactions, reasons, these people I worry
about and hope that they stay safe, the more people who are
not vaccinated, the greater the pressure on the health services,
when they get ill with the virus.

There is no good reason to attack each other because they are
or are not vaccinated, just worry about yourself and your loved
ones.

As we have read before, "hope for the best, but prepare for the worst"!

Mike.

 

[Sassycakes]

My husband and I are fully vaccinated. We felt it was better to be safe than sorry. My nephew was in the hospital from November until last month after he contacted the covid. He even needed a double lung transplant among many other issues.

 

[Aneeda72]

As you rightfully said - in your LAST sentence, it's MY choice. I need not justify my choice - whether I don't think the vaccine is safe or whether or not I think it's effective. I have no problem with anyone's choice to get vaccinated. BUT anyone who ridicules those who don't want to get vaccinated is an idiot.

You are the person who is ridicules other people, in case you have not noticed. You are the aggressor in the covid threads, in case you have not noticed. But you have stated that you wear a mask to gain accessibility to certain places. Casinos in Nevada certainly require masks.

@win231 you certainly seem two faced about the whole issue. Why not go maskless, or refuse to wear a mask and be denied entrance, or stay home? Put your so called conviction to the true test. Or are you just trolling the Covid threads?

I personally think you protest too much. I am beginning to believe you are in the closet about being vaccinated, like a certain past president

 

[Aneeda72]

Here are two suggestions for YOU.
1. I'll call anyone an idiot - after they call me an idiot. They are the idiot for starting it. Perhaps you might try reading Post #15 so YOU don't look like an idiot as well.

2. MYOB

I don’t mind looking like an idiot to the likes of you, it’s seems to be a complement

 

[win231]

You are the person who is ridicules other people, in case you have not noticed. You are the aggressor in the covid threads, in case you have not noticed. But you have stated that you wear a mask to gain accessibility to certain places. Casinos in Nevada certainly require masks.

@win231 you certainly seem two faced about the whole issue. Why not go maskless, or refuse to wear a mask and be denied entrance, or stay home? Put your so called conviction to the true test. Or are you just trolling the Covid threads?

I personally think you protest too much. I am beginning to believe you are in the closet about being vaccinated, like a certain past president

Unlike you & a few others here, I respect anyone's right to be vaccinated if they choose.
I will ridicule anyone in retaliation who ridicules me. (of course you don't want to acknowledge that).
Wearing a mask is required in L.A. County. That's why I wear one when shopping.
By choosing not to get vaccinated, I am not protesting anything; I'm making a health decision I have the right to make - with or without your approval.
If you're not a retired professional comedienne, you could have been.

 

[win231]

I don’t mind looking like an idiot to the likes of you, it’s seems to be a complement

It's obvious you don't mind.

 

[Aneeda72]

It's obvious you don't mind.

Oh, good, did not want you to feel bad . Now I got to go walk Stella. She has choosen not to get vaccinated for Covid-19 and I have respected her decision.
-just so you know @win231

 

[win231]

You are the person who is ridicules other people, in case you have not noticed. You are the aggressor in the covid threads, in case you have not noticed. But you have stated that you wear a mask to gain accessibility to certain places. Casinos in Nevada certainly require masks.

@win231 you certainly seem two faced about the whole issue. Why not go maskless, or refuse to wear a mask and be denied entrance, or stay home? Put your so called conviction to the true test. Or are you just trolling the Covid threads?

I personally think you protest too much. I am beginning to believe you are in the closet about being vaccinated, like a certain past president

Yes - I'm vaccinated "In The Closet." Thanks for reminding me about one of MJ's best videos:

 

[MrPants]

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A little off topic perhaps but I have a real problem with adults (Moms & Dads in particular) who have children parade around in public with any sort of protest signage. Kids don't have the skill set to research hot topic issues and form their own opinion much less the capacity to understand these types of issues.

I've seen this kind of display more and more in recent years. I suppose the parents/guardians feel it will bring more attention to their gripe but all I see is something tantamount to child abuse

 

[Aneeda72]

Unlike you & a few others here, I respect anyone's right to be vaccinated if they choose.
I will ridicule anyone in retaliation who ridicules me. (of course you don't want to acknowledge that).
Wearing a mask is required in L.A. County. That's why I wear one when shopping.
By choosing not to get vaccinated, I am not protesting anything; I'm making a health decision I have the right to make - with or without your approval.
If you're not a retired professional comedienne, you could have been.

Yes, I should have been one, and it’s not too late.. I have no ideal what you are talking about I have said, many times, on many threads, in many ways, that I do not care if someone gets vaccinated or if they do not.

We all know that you do not have to go out to shop.

I have also been clear that I do not care what health decision anyone on the SF or elsewhere make. The only health decisions I have control over are mine and Joey”s. I continue to believe you are vaccinated.

Go ahead, call me an idiot again. Doesn’t bother me in the least. Or, put me on ignore cause that won’t bother me either. I am dealing with MAJOR issues right now, you are a refreshing distraction from my heartbreaks @win231, yes, you are being used , what else have you got? Go for it!

 

[win231]

A little off topic perhaps but I have a real problem with adults (Moms & Dads in particular) who have children parade around in public with any sort of protest signage. Kids don't have the skill set to research hot topic issues and form their own opinion much less the capacity to understand these types of issues.

I've seen this kind of display more and more in recent years. I suppose the parents/guardians feel it will bring more attention to their gripe but all I see is something tantamount to child abuse

Yes, & this is animal abuse - because dogs don't have the skill set to research hot topics:

 

[chic]

Yes, & this is animal abuse - because dogs don't have the skill set to research hot topics:

I agree. People have totally lost their sense of humor these days.

 

[SeaBreeze]

Some people are just plain idiots I swear when it comes to this issue. I'm not talking about those who don't vaccine for medical reasons either--they have a VALID excuse.

I'm tired of those who are adding to the death toll and infecting others by not vaccinning and catching this horrid disease! There personal freedoms are at risk? And what about the freedom of those others you kill by infecting them, huh? Is that a joke, too?

Quit being political about this and own up to helping our society LIVE!!

I agree, those with valid medical reasons verified by their doctors, are the only ones who should not be getting vaccinated. The unvaccinated are much more likely to spread the COVID-19 to others, and that is a fact. If these covid deniers would wake up, this country would be in a much better position to start to put this virus behind us, or at least have it in control.

 

[Ladybj]

Your fluorescent idea is a bit over the top Mike. but you are correct about one thing.
The anti vaxxers cult movement have now added to their repertoire that some have had the jab and have become sick and nearly dying. Lies of course, another ploy to scare people.

Shero - anti vaxxers are a cult movement With your statement, I am still trying to find out who the cult leader is? If you find out please let me know...I don't have a clue.