Well, pat my back and call me a conspiracy nut.

[Pepper]

I commented

A picture can be worth a thousand words!

 

[Jules]

Vaccination cards are sold online.

A card isn’t good enough here because they can be faked. As of today we have to have download proof of our second shot. It can be to your photo or to paper. The QR code is unique to you and your NAME is on the top. Businesses that are required to scan the code and check that your name matches.

 

[win231]

A picture can be worth a thousand words!

It certainly can.
When you've got nothing better.

 

[Pepper]

Just a lame attempt to be cheerful, @win231 Not working I guess, I'm new to the cheerful game.

 

[Murrmurr]

I know one person who died of covid who was vaccinated; my mom. She was 89.
I know 1 guy who had very serious complications from the vaccine; Josh, a friend of mine who races bicycles and teaches bike racing. He's 29.

Age is an important factor.

Also, about 30 seconds after Josh got his 2nd vaccination he said he got this odd metallic taste in his mouth. According to his PCP, you get that taste when the nurse fails to aspirate the needle, causing the vaccine to get in your blood. So that's another important factor.

 

[win231]

Just a lame attempt to be cheerful, @win231 Not working I guess, I'm new to the cheerful game.

^^^ Another case in point; Nothing better.

 

[Shero]

WOW! If Hitler and Stalin were alive they would give a "high five" at the news from Australia!

Is that so? Well Australia does not have the death rate like the US and even the American President is taking note of what the Australians are doing.
Put that in your clay pipe and smoke it pardner
.

 

[Aneeda72]

Is that so? Well Australia does not have the death rate like the US and even the American President is taking note of what the Australians are doing.
Put that in your clay pipe and smoke it pardner
.

From the very beginning most Americans have preferred to risk death rather than isolate. We continue to have that mind set. Also, each individual is very independent, too many cowboys movies in our childhood, too many guns, too many stand your ground laws.

Utah never really shut down. While we remember watching the pictures of isolation wards in NYC, and relatives visiting Covid patients by iPad, due to the vaccines, things have changed. I was able to visit my son with Covid wearing only a face mask.

Our President may take note of what the Australians are doing, the American people would rebel.

 

[chic]

I know one person who died of covid who was vaccinated; my mom. She was 89.
I know 1 guy who had very serious complications from the vaccine; Josh, a friend of mine who races bicycles and teaches bike racing. He's 29.

Age is an important factor.

Also, about 30 seconds after Josh got his 2nd vaccination he said he got this odd metallic taste in his mouth. According to his PCP, you get that taste when the nurse fails to aspirate the needle, causing the vaccine to get in your blood. So that's another important factor.

Is he the mountain biker who's made some videos about his experience? If so, I've watched him and have been impressed by his story. French tennis player Jeremy Chardy has had a similar negative experience with the vaccine. I'm grateful for these rational people speaking out, otherwise the whole world would label this a conspiracy theory. It's not. Adverse reactions do exist. My condolences about your Mom.

 

[Buckeye]

I know one person who died of covid who was vaccinated; my mom. She was 89.
I know 1 guy who had very serious complications from the vaccine; Josh, a friend of mine who races bicycles and teaches bike racing. He's 29.

Age is an important factor.

Also, about 30 seconds after Josh got his 2nd vaccination he said he got this odd metallic taste in his mouth. According to his PCP, you get that taste when the nurse fails to aspirate the needle, causing the vaccine to get in your blood. So that's another important factor.

My condolences for the loss of your mother. My mother is 98, fully vaxxed, and was able to get through a bout of Covid with no ill affects.

As of today, almost 414 million doses of vaccine has been administered in the US. 96.3% of us seniors have had at least one jab. I'm sorry to hear of your friend's issues, but let's keep it in perspective.

 

[Packerjohn]

Yap! Almost 20 months of this Covid fighting going on. I do believe that I don't know of one person that has Covid or those "variants of interest". Neither do I know 1 person that has died from this disease. The only people I heard that have it or are dead from it are on the news. I guess I'm pretty lucky to live out here "in God's Country." I'm no medical doctor but I believe that many things that happen to you are just the way the dice roll or the way that the cards are stacked. Some stacked in your favour. Others are stacked against you. However, washing your hands often and keeping away from sick people helps the cards or those dice to be in your favour!

 

[Aneeda72]

Yap! Almost 20 months of this Covid fighting going on. I do believe that I don't know of one person that has Covid or those "variants of interest". Neither do I know 1 person that has died from this disease. The only people I heard that have it or are dead from it are on the news. I guess I'm pretty lucky to live out here "in God's Country." I'm no medical doctor but I believe that many things that happen to you are just the way the dice roll or the way that the cards are stacked. Some stacked in your favour. Others are stacked against you. However, washing your hands often and keeping away from sick people helps the cards or those dice to be in your favour!

Many people on senior forum have had it or their relatives have had it. Seems like me, you might not know many people.

 

[John cycling]

Yap! Almost 20 months of this Covid fighting going on. I do believe that I don't know of one person that has Covid or those "variants of interest". Neither do I know 1 person that has died from this disease. The only people I heard that have it or are dead from it are on the news.

I don't know of anyone who's died from it either.
No one that I know of who hasn't been shot with the poisons has even been sick.
Conversely, everyone that I know of who's been shot with the poisons has been sick, and many of them are already dead.
Plus a lot of people have been dying in hospitals from their treatments, such as being paralyzed, poisoned and choked to death.

The basic truth is that a covid19 virus has never been isolated.
The statement on virus isolation, <--
A look at Koch's Postulates <-- and the lack of virus isolation.

Personally, I've not worn a mask at all for the last two years, except once when renewing my drivers license 14 months ago which they still haven't sent to me. I haven't changed much at all from two years ago, except for getting healthier and in better condition. Why? Because I've never been shot with any of the poisonous petroleum concoctions since almost dying from them as a child. Since then I have stayed far, far away from the dangerously ignorant people who push the petroleum-chemical poisons, and I have kept getting healther and in better condition.

P.S. To the rude ignorant people like @garyt1957 - newspaper articles are not facts, and they don't "refute" anything.

 

[GeorgiaXplant]

@squatting dog Okay. I'll call you a conspiracy nut, but I sure as heck won't pat your back. You're a conspiracy nut. Feel better now?

And BTW @Packerjohn and @John cycling, my brother died of covid. Neither my brother nor my DSIL have been in the news.

My DSIL had covid and was lucky to get the monoclonal antibody infusion. He's recovered now and counting the days when he can get the vaccine. Once you've had the infusion, you can't get the vaccine for 90 days. Is he sorry he didn't get the vaccine? Ya, you betcha. Fortunately for the rest of us, we were all fully vaccinated when he got sick. He works with the public (masked), and when he got sick it finally registered with him that somebody else who wouldn't get vaccinated passed covid along to him. One of his employees? One of his customers? We'll never know. We are, and he is, glad he's alive.

It's as much about protecting others as it is about protecting yourself. People who refuse the vaccine for various and sundry stupid reasons are selfish and unconcerned about not just their health but the health and welfare of everybody else.

Have you had smallpox? Polio? No? I rest my case.

 

[Ruthanne]

@squatting dog Okay. I'll call you a conspiracy nut, but I sure as heck won't pat your back. You're a conspiracy nut. Feel better now?

And BTW @Packerjohn and @John cycling, my brother died of covid. Neither my brother nor my DSIL have been in the news.

My DSIL had covid and was lucky to get the monoclonal antibody infusion. He's recovered now and counting the days when he can get the vaccine. Once you've had the infusion, you can't get the vaccine for 90 days. Is he sorry he didn't get the vaccine? Ya, you betcha. Fortunately for the rest of us, we were all fully vaccinated when he got sick. He works with the public (masked), and when he got sick it finally registered with him that somebody else who wouldn't get vaccinated passed covid along to him. One of his employees? One of his customers? We'll never know. We are, and he is, glad he's alive.

It's as much about protecting others as it is about protecting yourself. People who refuse the vaccine for various and sundry stupid reasons are selfish and unconcerned about not just their health but the health and welfare of everybody else.

Have you had smallpox? Polio? No? I rest my case.

I'm very sorry you lost your brother

 

[Purwell]

@John cycling please stay away from me as well.

 

[SeaBreeze]

@squatting dog Okay. I'll call you a conspiracy nut, but I sure as heck won't pat your back. You're a conspiracy nut. Feel better now?

And BTW @Packerjohn and @John cycling, my brother died of covid. Neither my brother nor my DSIL have been in the news.

My DSIL had covid and was lucky to get the monoclonal antibody infusion. He's recovered now and counting the days when he can get the vaccine. Once you've had the infusion, you can't get the vaccine for 90 days. Is he sorry he didn't get the vaccine? Ya, you betcha. Fortunately for the rest of us, we were all fully vaccinated when he got sick. He works with the public (masked), and when he got sick it finally registered with him that somebody else who wouldn't get vaccinated passed covid along to him. One of his employees? One of his customers? We'll never know. We are, and he is, glad he's alive.

It's as much about protecting others as it is about protecting yourself. People who refuse the vaccine for various and sundry stupid reasons are selfish and unconcerned about not just their health but the health and welfare of everybody else.

Have you had smallpox? Polio? No? I rest my case.

Well said Georgia, and point well taken. My condolences for the loss of your brother, may he rest peacefully. I'm glad your DSIL has recovered and looking forward to the day when he can get the vaccine. Thanks for sharing your personal experience with us, an eye opener to the reality of this deadly virus. Hopefully some will wake up and listen before it's too late. My sister's husband's brother is the only one I know who has died from a COVID-19 infection, it was before the vaccine was readily available yet.

 

[WheatenLover]

I've had 4 people I know get Covid. Two were fully vaccinated and recovered quickly from light cases.

One was my best friend, who worked in a nursing home, but there was no vaccine available in Jan 2020.

One was my ex-husband, who has two major underlying health conditions, is unvaccinated, and is in a nursing home for rehab.

All four survived, thank goodness, and none had to be intubated.

 

[Warrigal]

Yessir, anybody who doesn't submit to a vaccine, drug, or medical test or procedure is selfish, inconsiderate, cold & cruel. And they don't care about others - 'cuz you say so.
By the way, when was your last TB test? Tuberculosis is airborne. If you don't get one every time you leave your house, you are selfish, cold & cruel. And you're spreading a deadly disease.
How about your Smallpox booster?
Meningitis Vaccine?
Here's a partial list of highly-contagious diseases you could be spreading to others due to your selfishness & refusal to get tested & vaccinated:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine-preventable_diseases#:~:text=The most common and serious,, tuberculosis, and yellow fever.

Win, you are being deliberately obtuse but I will answer your question in case you are being serious.

I was regularly skin tested for TB as a child and received the BCG serum to immunise me. At that time TB was making a comeback in Australia and my grandfather had it. TB has since disappeared in my country thanks to those public health measures.

Smallpox has been eradicated worldwide because of global efforts and mass immunisation in places where it was endemic. However, a small pox scar on the arm was commonly seen when I was young. It was a requirement for people who travelled overseas.

Meningitis vaccine? I was vaccinated for this in 2000 when we travelled in Egypt, Turkey, Greece and Kenya because it was not uncommon that people flying to Australia were carriers and then all of the other passengers were at risk. We decided that vaccination was a good idea, not just for ourselves but for family members, friends and neighbours and anyone else we might possibly infect. Going into quarantine was not an attractive proposition either.

Yellow fever? Is that a problem in US? It is not something we have to deal with in Australia. I was not advised to vaccinate for yellow fever when we travelled around the western states in 1985. However, if I were needing to travel to places where it was endemic I would certainly investigate any measures that would offer me some protection. When we visited Kenya were took precautions to avoid being bitten by mosquitoes carrying malaria but at that time there was no vaccine available. We used tropical strength insect repellent, wore long sleeves and took some tablets that the doctor prescribed. Our bed has a net strung to keep the insects out. Anything to lessen the risk. Looking back, these measures were very similar to using hand sanitiser, masks and maintaining social distancing against Covid. If I was travelling today I would consider vaccination against malaria and dengue fever if I to certain countries.

I drive a car. Every time I do this I take a greater risk of becoming maimed or worse in a traffic accident than I ever do by getting vaccinated. I choose to accept both risks because the benefits outweigh them by many orders of magnitude. Some people are too afraid to drive and others are too afraid to be vaccinated and they should not be ridiculed for their fear but I get angry when people deliberately spread fear with exaggerated stories of the risks involved. Death is not a small risk but the risk of death from diseases like TB, malaria, meningitis and Covid is much more than the risk of the vaccines.

 

[Buckeye]

I stole this from a facebook friend. The moral of the story is that the anti-vaxx folks will always insist that the grass is blue, no matter what facts are given to them.

The donkey told the tiger, "The grass is blue."
The tiger replied, "No, the grass is green ."
The discussion became heated, and the two decided to submit the issue to arbitration, so they approached the lion.
As they approached the lion on his throne, the donkey started screaming: ′′Your Highness, isn't it true that the grass is blue?"
The lion replied: "If you believe it is true, the grass is blue."
The donkey rushed forward and continued: ′′The tiger disagrees with me, contradicts me and annoys me. Please punish him."
The king then declared: ′′The tiger will be punished with 3 days of silence."
The donkey jumped with joy and went on his way, content and repeating ′′The grass is blue, the grass is blue..."
The tiger asked the lion, "Your Majesty, why have you punished me, after all, the grass is green?"
The lion replied, ′′You've known and seen the grass is green."
The tiger asked, ′′So why do you punish me?"
The lion replied, "That has nothing to do with the question of whether the grass is blue or green. The punishment is because it is degrading for a brave, intelligent creature like you to waste time arguing with an ass, and on top of that, you came and bothered me with that question just to validate something you already knew was true!"
The biggest waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who doesn't care about truth or reality, but only the victory of his beliefs and illusions. Never waste time on discussions that make no sense. There are people who, for all the evidence presented to them, do not have the ability to understand. Others who are blinded by ego, hatred and resentment, and the only thing that they want is to be right even if they aren’t.
When IGNORANCE SCREAMS, intelligence moves on.

Consequently I'm moving on. And the anti-vaxx folks can continue to bray.

Have a great day!

 

[Warrigal]

From the very beginning most Americans have preferred to risk death rather than isolate. We continue to have that mind set. Also, each individual is very independent, too many cowboys movies in our childhood, too many guns, too many stand your ground laws.

Utah never really shut down. While we remember watching the pictures of isolation wards in NYC, and relatives visiting Covid patients by iPad, due to the vaccines, things have changed. I was able to visit my son with Covid wearing only a face mask.

Our President may take note of what the Australians are doing, the American people would rebel.

Never a truer word was written. When Americans look at Australia and think that we are just like Americans they are not seeing who we really are. We are different but we are not a down trodden population unable to resist a tyrannical government. Comparisons with Hitler's Germany or Stalin's USSR would be offensive if they were not so ridiculous.

 

[Shero]

I stole this from a facebook friend. The moral of the story is that the anti-vaxx folks will always insist that the grass is blue, no matter what facts are given to them.

The donkey told the tiger, "The grass is blue."
The tiger replied, "No, the grass is green ."
The discussion became heated, and the two decided to submit the issue to arbitration, so they approached the lion.
As they approached the lion on his throne, the donkey started screaming: ′′Your Highness, isn't it true that the grass is blue?"
The lion replied: "If you believe it is true, the grass is blue."
The donkey rushed forward and continued: ′′The tiger disagrees with me, contradicts me and annoys me. Please punish him."
The king then declared: ′′The tiger will be punished with 3 days of silence."
The donkey jumped with joy and went on his way, content and repeating ′′The grass is blue, the grass is blue..."
The tiger asked the lion, "Your Majesty, why have you punished me, after all, the grass is green?"
The lion replied, ′′You've known and seen the grass is green."
The tiger asked, ′′So why do you punish me?"
The lion replied, "That has nothing to do with the question of whether the grass is blue or green. The punishment is because it is degrading for a brave, intelligent creature like you to waste time arguing with an ass, and on top of that, you came and bothered me with that question just to validate something you already knew was true!"
The biggest waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who doesn't care about truth or reality, but only the victory of his beliefs and illusions. Never waste time on discussions that make no sense. There are people who, for all the evidence presented to them, do not have the ability to understand. Others who are blinded by ego, hatred and resentment, and the only thing that they want is to be right even if they aren’t.
When IGNORANCE SCREAMS, intelligence moves on.

Consequently I'm moving on. And they anti-vaxx folks can continue to bray.

Have a great day!

Great Post and like you, I am no longer interested in the rantings of the members of the unvaccinated pandemic.

Life is too short, and theirs may prove even shorter. I leave it to governments of the world to do their job and keep them away from me!
.

 

[win231]

Win, you are being deliberately obtuse but I will answer your question in case you are being serious.

I was regularly skin tested for TB as a child and received the BCG serum to immunise me. At that time TB was making a comeback in Australia and my grandfather had it. TB has since disappeared in my country thanks to those public health measures.

Smallpox has been eradicated worldwide because of global efforts and mass immunisation in places where it was endemic. However, a small pox scar on the arm was commonly seen when I was young. It was a requirement for people who travelled overseas.

Meningitis vaccine? I was vaccinated for this in 2000 when we travelled in Egypt, Turkey, Greece and Kenya because it was not uncommon that people flying to Australia were carriers and then all of the other passengers were at risk. We decided that vaccination was a good idea, not just for ourselves but for family members, friends and neighbours and anyone else we might possibly infect. Going into quarantine was not an attractive proposition either.

Yellow fever? Is that a problem in US? It is not something we have to deal with in Australia. I was not advised to vaccinate for yellow fever when we travelled around the western states in 1985. However, if I were needing to travel to places where it was endemic I would certainly investigate any measures that would offer me some protection. When we visited Kenya were took precautions to avoid being bitten by mosquitoes carrying malaria but at that time there was no vaccine available. We used tropical strength insect repellent, wore long sleeves and took some tablets that the doctor prescribed. Our bed has a net strung to keep the insects out. Anything to lessen the risk. Looking back, these measures were very similar to using hand sanitiser, masks and maintaining social distancing against Covid. If I was travelling today I would consider vaccination against malaria and dengue fever if I to certain countries.

I drive a car. Every time I do this I take a greater risk of becoming maimed or worse in a traffic accident than I ever do by getting vaccinated. I choose to accept both risks because the benefits outweigh them by many orders of magnitude. Some people are too afraid to drive and others are too afraid to be vaccinated and they should not be ridiculed for their fear but I get angry when people deliberately spread fear with exaggerated stories of the risks involved. Death is not a small risk but the risk of death from diseases like TB, malaria, meningitis and Covid is much more than the risk of the vaccines.

You are assuming that I have spread fear, which is a gross misinterpretation.
Just saying I don't want a Covid vaccine is not spreading fear.
Saying I don't trust the safety of an experimental vaccine is not spreading fear; it's simply explaining why I don't want it.
Saying I think infection & mortality rates of Covid are exaggerated is not spreading fear.
"Spreading Fear" is your misinterpretation.

BTW, when are you getting boosters for all the above contagious diseases? (to show you care about others)

 

[Murrmurr]

My condolences for the loss of your mother. My mother is 98, fully vaxxed, and was able to get through a bout of Covid with no ill affects.

As of today, almost 414 million doses of vaccine has been administered in the US. 96.3% of us seniors have had at least one jab. I'm sorry to hear of your friend's issues, but let's keep it in perspective.

Yes, I was talking about perspective. Death by covid among the vaccinated and severe reactions to the vaccine aren't just random events; there are causes. Age, comorbidity, and hitting a vein while administering the vaccine are 3 very common ones. And indeed, in relation to the numbers, these events are pretty rare.

 

[Warrigal]

You are assuming that I have spread fear, which is a gross misinterpretation.
Just saying I don't want a Covid vaccine is not spreading fear.
Saying I don't trust the safety of an experimental vaccine is not spreading fear; it's simply explaining why I don't want it.
Saying I think infection & mortality rates of Covid are exaggerated is not spreading fear.
"Spreading Fear" is your misinterpretation.

BTW, when are you getting boosters for all the above contagious diseases? (to show you care about others)

I assume nothing about you personally but you cannot deny that certain media personalities are using alarmism about vaccines to gain attention. Expressing your opinion is no different to me expressing mine. Neither of us are experts in the field of pandemics or epidemics but both of us are old enough to have seen and experienced things over our lifetimes.

In my case, living in Australia, which has the wonderful advantage of being a large island, we are very fortunate to have avoided many of the infectious diseases that are common elsewhere. For example we have no rabies but we do have tetanus. Children are routinely immunised for tetanus and it is not the problem today that it was in the past when one of my grandmother's brothers, a farm worker, died of lockjaw at the age of 22. Today that doesn't happen because of a vaccine. I used to get regular boosters for tetanus but today I am hardly at risk any more. However, if I did suffer a deep puncture wound in the garden I would seek treatment and a tetanus shot.

I do have a 'flu shot before each Winter and a pneumonia shot every five years. I have had a booster shot for shingles because I did have chicken pox as a child (same virus - herpes zoster). Shingles doesn't kill you but it is very painful and can cause damage to the nerves. My sister in law got it and it affected the sight in one eye. I requested the vaccine.

Before my little grandson was born I asked for a whooping cough booster to make sure I would not be a threat to him while he was too young to be immunised for this dreadful disease that can affect adults as well as babies. So yes, to answer your last sentence, sometimes I do get boosters for the sake of others but mostly the benefit is mine. When it comes to Covid the benefit is personal, to my family and on a larger plane, it benefits small businesses and the economy at large. Australia has now exceeded 80% double vaxxed for all people over 12 years and is rapidly approaching 90%. As a result, restrictions on businesses, entertainments and travel are being rolled back and by Christmas things will be pretty much back to normal without resulting in a surge of deaths and hospitalisations. For this I give credit to all the people who have complied with health orders and who have lined up for vaccines as soon as they became eligible. In particular, I am very grateful to the doctors, nurses, hospital administrators and public health officials who have had a very rough time of it for nearly two years. They are quite worn out. They do not deserve to be abused or threatened and they certainly do no deserve to have their motives questioned as if they are participating in a malignant conspiracy to harm us. What they ask of us is our co-operation and they will always have mine.

And no @win231, I am not referring to you personally in any of the above. I am just talking about what I have seen and what I think about vaccination.