The 800 pound gorilla sitting in the corner.

chic said:
Sweden never locked down or mandated or ruined their economy. Someone explain why they are doing better than countries with the strictest measures? They came out of this just fine while most people predicted they wouldn't.
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Good point, I think the Sweden case should be closely considered. You are right they stand out in comparison to most developed countries in having fewer restrictions. The Covid rates in Sweden have been lower than many countries, like the US but higher than their immediate neighbors who had stricter rules. For some statistics see: https://www.politifact.com/factchec...s-low-covid-19-death-tally-july-ignores-othe/

Aunt Bea said:
I believe that under different leadership it would have been treated as a public health issue best handled by the medical and scientific communities.

I believe that the federal government should have used its power to help create one voice, implement recommendations, remove barriers, fund the states, and not open the financial floodgates with stimulus checks, enhanced unemployment, etc...
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I agree, our leadership was dismal...
Aunt Bea said:
IMO it has been a mess but in fairness, most emergencies are a mess.
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Unfortunately true, but I think this one has been worse than most, and worse than it could or should have been...
 

Tom 86 said:
Does no one ever talk about the flu??
The overall burden of influenza (flu) for the 2018-2019 season was an estimated 29 million flu illnesses, 13 million flu-related medical visits, 380,000 flu-related hospitalizations, and 28,000 flu deaths (Table 1).

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
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Well, get a flu shot. Nope we don’t talk about the flu. It’s all just Covid, Covid, Covid. 😂
 

Alligatorob said:

What do y'all think?

Has it been worthwhile? If not how lethal would a disease have to be to make it worthwhile?
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After much has been discovered & actions taken to minimize the impact of a virus that definitely was deadly. Learning from what took place IMO is the way forward.

As for Sweden blocking entry may have helped in their way to deal with the pandemic. I'm pretty sure analysis of every thing related to the pandemic will be published sometime in the future so I'm willing to wait to see what the gorilla weight turns out to be.
 
The chaotic, disjointed, unorganized, politicized response in the U.S. pointed out the need for some form of universal health care in this country. It was a universal health issue and never should have been allowed to become a political football.
 
Personally I feel it is worth it to not spread Covid (I like being healthy and alive, and I hope I am a productive member of society and have earned the right to stay alive even after I retire).
I am not sure how to compare the costs, if we had allowed covid to run free what would be the cost to our health system, what would be the cost to our productivity -- my workplace has an abundance of baby boomers in so many positions that don't have adequate backup/replacement people, I don't feel like we could really afford to lose them - the systems take a long time to learn (and it seems to be really hard to find people smart enough to learn them), and supposedly our system is the third most important one to the US Gov't, what would be the cost to the country if our system was down? And what about the systems that are 1st and 2nd most important?
If we want to talk about preventable costs, maybe we should talk about type2 diabetes and the sugar industry?
 
Alligatorob said:
If I look at what I can find on current statistics there have been 745,000 Covid deaths in the US and about 5,000,000 worldwide. Numbers may vary by source,
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Those fake statistics are put out by the same people who own the vaccination corporations, the CDC and the mainstream media.

The truth is that:
Health officials from nine countries have not been able to find a virus <--
The statement on virus isolation <-- states that a covid19 virus has not been proven to exist.
Due to not meeting the isolation and other Koch's Postulates <-- requirements, no virus has ever been proven to exist.

Note: The same people who put out the fake statistics and news own some of the search engines and might have invaded your computer as well, especially if you're still using a microsoft operating system. I found the first link from https://duckduckgo.com/. <--

@Knight - now you're quoting the dangerous fake news put out by the overlords. 🙄
I agree with @Sunny that, although she's getting into politics again by saying so, any dangerous propaganda and fake news
frauds put out by the overlords such as reuters, the CDC and the mainstream media that they own should not be tolerated.
 
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John cycling said:
Those fake statistics are put out by the same people who own the vaccination corporations, the CDC and the mainstream media.

The truth is that:
Health officials from nine countries have not been able to find a virus <--
The statement on virus isolation <--
Dangerous Webpage Blocked
You attempted to access:
https://blink.piterreceiver.ga/slow.php?404=0
This is a known dangerous webpage. It is highly recommended that you do NOT visit this page.

I got this when trying to access the reference.
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Alligatorob said:
Yeah, my McAfee would not let me open it either. The other 2 worked.
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Yeah the others worked but a little checking shows this
https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...-prove-the-existence-of-a-virus-idUSL2N2L23F1

Fact Check-Koch’s postulates do not need to be fulfilled to prove the existence of a virus​

By Reuters Fact Check
9 MIN READ

An article that claims that researchers have not proven that SARS-CoV-2 causes COVID-19 uses outdated criteria and presents incomplete facts to make its arguments. The article focuses on how researchers have not fulfilled Koch’s postulates - a 19th-century set of criteria to show a microbe causes a disease - as they were originally understood.
Koch’s postulates were presented in 1890 (here and here), at a time when germ theory was still controversial and before the discovery of viruses, to which Koch’s postulates, as they were originally written, do not apply. Koch himself recognised the postulates had exceptions (here), and they have not been established for many disease-causing microbes. Modern criteria that confirm that a virus causes a disease have been demonstrated for COVID-19.
 
If someone is (deliberately or not) trying to spread a link to a dangerous web page, shouldn't the board administrator remove the whole thread?
 
John cycling said:
Those fake statistics are put out by the same people who own the vaccination corporations, the CDC and the mainstream media.

The truth is that:
Health officials from nine countries have not been able to find a virus <--
The statement on virus isolation <-- states that a covid19 virus has not been proven to exist.
Due to not meeting the isolation and other Koch's Postulates <-- requirements, no virus has ever been proven to exist.

Note: The same people who put out the fake statistics own some of the search engines and might have invaded your computer as well, especially if you're still using a microsoft operating system. I found the first link from https://duckduckgo.com/. <--
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Your "sources" are a bunch of crackpot websites. I've lost a couple of first cousins, some older friends and some acquaintances to this "fraud." Last week I went to a meeting with the head of a local healthcare network who described the stresses this so-called hoax has put on his staff and resources. Is he making that up? If so, why?

Just curious, what's your take on the 1969 moon landing? Was that a hoax as well?
 

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