Fully Vaccinated ........Covid ....

Shero said:
If you are "sitting on the fence" then you are NOT qualified to give a valid opinion!
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chic is weighing both sides of information available and giving her opinion as it stands at this point, which she has every right to do! I'm not answering for chic, just giving my opinion as I understand her comment, "sitting on the fence" to mean.
 

Della said:
Doesn't work? Very few people who have had the shots have later died from Covid. I call that working. Those who didn't get the shots are dying. Simple statistics tell the story.

As for needing a booster, well sure, lots of vaccines need boosters later on. People are still getting polio boosters if they go to countries that still have the disease. People in this country don't get it anymore because everyone took that "experimental" vaccine.

Too bad everyone didn't get the Covid vaccine. If they had, we probably wouldn't have to worry about it anymore, the Delta variant wouldn't have gotten a hold and we wouldn't need boosters.

Now, if we had, had the internet back in the 1950, lots of people probably wouldn't have let their kids get the polio vaccine, because it was new and experimental and because someone would have gone on Twitter and said it was really a mind control drug from the Russians.
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Speaking about the polio vaccine, the scientists who help develop the vaccine for humans used their own children to test it. Two of their children actually died.

Thousands have died taking the covid vaccine. I don’t think I want to add a number to that statistic.
 
GAlady said:
Speaking about the polio vaccine, the scientists who help develop the vaccine for humans used their own children to test it. Two of their children actually died.

Thousands have died taking the covid vaccine. I don’t think I want to add a number to that statistic.
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GAlady, that is utter nonsense. Where did you ever get such a crazy idea?

I remember very well the joy and relief everyone felt when the Salk and Sabin vaccines against polio came out. There were plenty of news articles and pictures showing kids getting their shots (or medication; as I recall, the Sabin vaccine was taken orally). If a disaster like that had happened, it would have been screaming in headlines for months!

But somehow, no one heard about it until now? And THOUSANDS have died taking the covid vaccine? Of course, if millions are taking the covid vaccine, a certain number of those people are going to die of heart attacks, cancer, kidney failure, neurological diseases, automobile accidents, mass shootings, and all sorts of other things that have nothing to do with their covid shot. It's like saying they got a splinter in their finger and that killed them. Pay no attention to the cancer.

Please, please check your sources before spreading alarmist nonsense like that. It can cost people their lives.

P.S. I just went back and reread what you wrote. Well, I guess it's possible that two of the scientists' children actually died, 60 years later of old age. 🙄
 

The tainted polio vaccine that sickened and fatally paralyzed children in 1955​

On Aug. 30, 1954, Bernice E. Eddy, a veteran scientist at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Md., was checking a batch of a new polio vaccine for safety.

Created by Jonas Salk, the vaccine was hailed as the miracle drug that would conquer the dreaded illness that killed and paralyzed children. Eddy’s job was to examine samples submitted by the companies planning to make it.

As she checked a sample from Cutter Laboratories in Berkeley, Calif., she noticed that the vaccine designed to protect against the disease had instead given polio to a test monkey. Rather than containing killed virus to create immunity, the sample from Cutter contained live, infectious virus.

Something was wrong. “There’s going to be a disaster,” she told a friend.

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Despite Eddy’s warnings, an estimated 120,000 children that year were injected with the Cutter vaccine, according to Paul A. Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

Roughly 40,000 got “abortive” polio, with fever, sore throat, headache, vomiting and muscle pain. Fifty-one were paralyzed, and five died, Offit wrote in his 2005 book, “The Cutter Incident: How America’s First Polio Vaccine Led to the Growing Vaccine Crisis.”

It was “one of the worst biological disasters in American history: a man-made polio epidemic,” Offit wrote.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/hist...polio-vaccine-paralyzed-children-coronavirus/
 
PBS did a really good documentary on the history of polio. They covered the Cutter disaster.

The fault was with the Cutter laboratory and not the Salk vaccine which was always made from a dead virus.

Something like this could happen anytime with any drug or vaccine if the lab is not properly run and the proper procedures are not followed. These days I trust the FDA's testing and don't fear taking any of my meds or vaccines. I know our FDA saved us from giving thalidomide to pregnant women while other countries had given it the green light.
 
John cycling said:
Thinking something that is harmless and/or doesn't exist is killing people --- Ignorant.
Thinking toxic medications that have already killed many millions of people are safe --- Stupid.
Thinking you're smart when you're stupid --- Delusional.

I didn't call you any names, @Pepper and @Aneeda72, but both of you called me names.
I didn't single you out nor anyone else. So if you're really sick of yourselves calling people names, then stop doing it.

@Aneeda, if you had looked at the facts, you would know that vaccinations have killed millions of people throughout history.
You don't even think the poisonous shots used now are killing people, even though you have first hand knowledge, good grief.
So whoever you're talking to, you're talking to yourself. By the way, opioids and vaccinations are made by the same corporations.

@Aneeda72, you keep proving what I've said. Keep up the good work! 🥴 When the shoe fits, wear it proudly! :love:
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how many people have died from the covid19 vaccine? vaccines throughout history have been studied less than the current vaccine.. vaccines are relatively new developments.do you have figures showing millions have been killed by vaccines past and present? .what is different, insult-wise. about you intimating that people are ignorant, stupid or delusional if they don't see things your way?
 
I am fully vaccinated and have been for sometime now. I will also get the booster when that is available. Now to say that someone who is not vaccinated or is choosing to weigh out all the options is stupid or delusional, I would never do that at all. Each person has to come to there own conclusion when they feel it is safe to get the vaccine or not. For some that just might be never. Now I am not an advocate for mandating the vaccine at all and I do not think that will ever go over. I however think that mandating the vaccine for healthcare workers and teachers is a positive thing. As for other companies I feel it is there right to say the workers have to wear masks indoors and social distance. Now concerning events/indoor dining and travel. I do not feel there should be any mandate that people should be vaccinated to be able to do these things. What becomes tricky especially with travel overseas is the different countries. Now showing proof of being vaccinated or a negative test within a certain time period for somethings such a travel by flight, I don't think is an awful idea, but to restrict non vaccinated people from traveling by flight I disagree with. The same goes for concerts or sporting events.

Each person has there own decision to make. It is my decision to make for the person next to me. It is my decision to do what I feel is right to be as safe as I can for myself. That for me is being fully vaccinated and even wearing a mask indoors when shopping or going grocery shopping or something like that. I feel totally comfortable in an outdoor setting without a mask. Now if I would go to a crowded outdoor venue like a concert that might be a different story, but it still would end up being my judgement call. The bottom line is no one is stupid for the decision on this because they feel they are doing the safe thing for themselves. Whether it be waiting for more testing on the vaccine or whatever it may be. Others feel like me and feel it safer to be vaccinated. No one is stupid.
 
Maryatrics said:
I am fully vaccinated and have been for sometime now. I will also get the booster when that is available. Now to say that someone who is not vaccinated or is choosing to weigh out all the options is stupid or delusional, I would never do that at all. Each person has to come to there own conclusion when they feel it is safe to get the vaccine or not. For some that just might be never. Now I am not an advocate for mandating the vaccine at all and I do not think that will ever go over. I however think that mandating the vaccine for healthcare workers and teachers is a positive thing. As for other companies I feel it is there right to say the workers have to wear masks indoors and social distance. Now concerning events/indoor dining and travel. I do not feel there should be any mandate that people should be vaccinated to be able to do these things. What becomes tricky especially with travel overseas is the different countries. Now showing proof of being vaccinated or a negative test within a certain time period for somethings such a travel by flight, I don't think is an awful idea, but to restrict non vaccinated people from traveling by flight I disagree with. The same goes for concerts or sporting events.

Each person has there own decision to make. It is my decision to make for the person next to me. It is my decision to do what I feel is right to be as safe as I can for myself. That for me is being fully vaccinated and even wearing a mask indoors when shopping or going grocery shopping or something like that. I feel totally comfortable in an outdoor setting without a mask. Now if I would go to a crowded outdoor venue like a concert that might be a different story, but it still would end up being my judgement call. The bottom line is no one is stupid for the decision on this because they feel they are doing the safe thing for themselves. Whether it be waiting for more testing on the vaccine or whatever it may be. Others feel like me and feel it safer to be vaccinated. No one is stupid.
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^^^^ Such a common-sense post isn't very common here.
 
win231 said:
^^^^ Such a common-sense post isn't very common here.
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It is common sense. A lot of this is common sense and many are out to make it Rocket Science. You either feel comfortable with the vaccine and you take it or you don't and you choose not to and look for more information on it. It is one or the other. Of course because this pandemic has killed a lot of people there are going to have to be safety measures in place like wearing masks indoors and social distancing and stuff like that until the so called experts on this (which I am not) say it is safe to not do so. Even then it comes down to the decision of the individual if they still want to wear a mask. It still doesn't make them stupid if they decide to do so.
 
Della said:
PBS did a really good documentary on the history of polio. They covered the Cutter disaster.

The fault was with the Cutter laboratory and not the Salk vaccine which was always made from a dead virus. time with any drug or vaccine if the lab is not properly run and the proper procedures are not followed. These days I trust the FDA's testing and don't fear taking any of my meds or vaccines. I know our FDA saved us from giving thalidomide to pregnant women while other countries had given it the green light.
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In America women were given the drug. I met a thalidomide man when I was a teenager. He was hanging out with us. He had legs but no arms and his hands grew out of his shoulders. :(
 
chic said:
I did meet a thalidomide man in the US. It's a fact. Not a baseless claim.
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Deflection alert!! (how sad!!)

Try looking real hard at what I was responding to. To refresh your memory... "In America women were given the drug".

THEY WERE NOT LEGALLY GIVEN THE DRUG. The FDA rejected the drug and the subsequent outcry led to legislative strengthening of guidelines for drug approval. Frances Oldham Kelsey was responsible for Thalidomide being introduced into the U.S.A., but was instrumental in implementing and strengthening drug testing procedures.
 
Sadly, quite a few American women were given the drug while they were stationed in Germany with their husbands who were in the American military. Women traveling to England or Norway might have been given it, while there, too.
 

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