It's just a mask

Alice November said:
If I were to go out I would wear one. My husband got some super masks with copper filters made by a professional, they completely seal around the face, so no air gets in and are washeable. He looks alittle like a WW1 bomber pilot. Only goes out to start the car once a month and take the trash out. He even wears it when he opens the door to pick up the groceries we have delivered after they have sat for 20 minutes. I haven't been outside for nearly two years.
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To each his own - including your own level of caution or fear.
 

I'm cautious because I don't believe what authorities are saying. Their contradictions are a red flag to me that either they could care less about seniors or they are intentionaly stirring fear and keeping the truth from everyone, possibly to avoid hystria. On the other hand it seems they stir fear because they know people buy more of everything when they feel vulnerable and afraid, more food, clothes, houses, cars and take mor holidays. Which we don't do, minimalism agrees with us these days. I have learned a lot over these last two years about how much less is more than enough.

I can't do what they are telling us about vaccinating. I am now at an age where I do know the last few times I got bronchitis from flu it became difficult to breathe whereas 10 years ago I didn't feel that unwell with flu virus and bronchitis. Hwmbo has asthema and some overactive immune responses, so we know we should try not to catch anything with respiratory inflammation.

We decided to isolate because we can, so far so good.

@win231 I appeciate all your comments. It is always good to read your solid reasoning.
 
Alice November said:
I haven't been outside for nearly two years.
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Do you have a backyard/garden that you can go to for fresh air and exercise? Those are the things that keep us reasonably sane. We don’t wear masks when walking. People are very polite and immediately separate when they see someone else approaching. Granted, we don’t live in a metropolitan areas where it would be more difficult.
 

Becky1951 said:
I've known of vaccinated people who think they don't need to wear a mask, which is dangerous as those vaccinated people may very well be asymptomatic and spreading Covid.

So if someone dies who had had no known contact to someone with covid, it could very well be that the deceased person came in contact with a fully vaccinated asymptomatic person.

It's not always the unvaccinated who spread Covid. 😥
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On our local news here in Indiana. The hospitals are full & they are transferring patients to other hospitals as far away as Evansville of 250 miles from my hospital. My Retina Dr. that gave me a shot in my eye this past Monday, said he was in my hospital where I need to go for my knee replacement.

He said there were beds in the halls, the pre-opp was full so the patent he was doing eye surgery on was in the OR as there was no other place to pre-opp her.

He asked nurses about these transferring patents? They said yes we are moving them to other hospitals that still have open beds. One nurse said you know Dr. V. There are about half & half the patients here that have NOT been vaccinated they are in ICU. The other half have been vaccinated two times & they are in regular rooms because they have lung problems.

He said there must be something wrong with the shots for so many to still get sick & end up in the hospital & now they are thinking of a 4th booster shot?? So it looks like I won't get my knee replaced till "maybe" February.
 
Jules said:
Do you have a backyard/garden that you can go to for fresh air and exercise? Those are the things that keep us reasonably sane. We don’t wear masks when walking. People are very polite and immediately separate when they see someone else approaching. Granted, we don’t live in a metropolitan areas where it would be more difficult.
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We live in a vey densly populated urban area. It is typical of a lot of european countries that in the older areas streets are very narrow and sidewalks are just barely wide enough for one person with the curb and traffic on one side of you and the buildings on the other side. Passing is negotiated by walking on the street and if its a busy time of day, its diffcult even without a pandemic. 😄

I have done a lot of walking in the apartment, its ok. I'm considered underweight by NHS bmi charts for my age, but just one point, so not worried on that account.
 
Just now on our local news, the Governor is putting National Guard medics in all our hospitals here in Indiana because of so many new cases of Conav. We are getting 5,900 new cases every day. They showed beds in halls, On a floor that was used for storage. They said nurses are working 12 to 14 hr shifts 7 days a week & they need some R & R. to recuperate from all the stress.

National Guard is setting up tents connected to the hospitals & putting beds & equipment in them.
 
Tom 86 said:
Just now on our local news, the Governor is putting National Guard medics in all our hospitals here in Indiana because of so many new cases of Conav. We are getting 5,900 new cases every day. They showed beds in halls, On a floor that was used for storage. They said nurses are working 12 to 14 hr shifts 7 days a week & they need some R & R. to recuperate from all the stress.

National Guard is setting up tents connected to the hospitals & putting beds & equipment in them.
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Why do they need national guard medics and extra nurses for people who test positive for covid? Testing positive doesn't require hospitalization or have I missed something? 🤔
 
chic said:
Why do they need national guard medics and extra nurses for people who test positive for covid? Testing positive doesn't require hospitalization or have I missed something? 🤔
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These are ones that need hospitalization to be treated for the Conav. Some are put on ventilators & some just need strong medicine (like I got when I was admitted for not being able to breathe) to get over the Conav. without a ventilator. They are in the hospital for 3 or 4 days then home.
 
MarciKS said:
You guys can argue till hell freezes over but it's not gonna make Covid disappear. It's not gonna stop Covid from taking lives. It's not gonna get you back the freedom you want. Instead of sitting here bitching about it maybe you should consider doing what they asked us to do in the first place. But you're sooooooooo worried about conspiracies and your precious rights. I agree with what GeorgiaXplant said. You don't have the right to make me sick just because you're making poor choices out of the fear you claim we are living in. My mother died from this because she wasn't able to take the vaccine. Someone, somewhere, where my parents had to go, had Covid. Whether they masked or not doesn't matter to me. What matters is the fact that they had it and went out with it and spread it to my parents and because of my mothers health issues she was unable to survive it. It was probably someone who had their mask under their nose and refused to get the vaccine. Thanks to that person she is gone forever. Are you really ok with taking a chance of being responsible for the death of another person because you're afraid of a shot? And because you can't be bothered to wear a little mask because it's uncomfortable? If you're ok with murdering someone else then hey have at it. Given enough opportunity maybe it will come back to bite you in the ass and it will be you in that hospital bed with your lungs filling with fluid and death knocking at your door.
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Well said, Marci! And I completely agree with you. I'm very sorry you lost your mother; losing one's mother is a terrible loss.
 
Alice November said:
If I were to go out I would wear one. My husband got some super masks with copper filters made by a professional, they completely seal around the face, so no air gets in and are washeable. He looks alittle like a WW1 bomber pilot. Only goes out to start the car once a month and take the trash out. He even wears it when he opens the door to pick up the groceries we have delivered after they have sat for 20 minutes. I haven't been outside for nearly two years.
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Apologies if I've missed the reason Alice..but why haven't you been out for 2 years ?... why don't you or your husband go out now?..
 
It's a crazy world. Some folks believe that the make believe world is real. At the same time some folks believe that the real world is totally made up. Think on this: There are a group of people who believe that there really is no pandemic. That this is all made up to control people. At the same time they believe that there really is a Santa Claus and they go crazy to celebrate this so called Christmas by shopping with their credit cards in maddening crowds. Strange and crazy in many ways.
 
Packerjohn said:
It's a crazy world. Some folks believe that the make believe world is real. At the same time some folks believe that the real world is totally made up. Think on this: There are a group of people who believe that there really is no pandemic. That this is all made up to control people. At the same time they believe that there really is a Santa Claus and they go crazy to celebrate this so called Christmas by shopping with their credit cards in maddening crowds. Strange and crazy in many ways.
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I don't believe in Santa but I do believe the pandemic is not all they would like us to believe it is. 🤔
 
hollydolly said:
Apologies if I've missed the reason Alice..but why haven't you been out for 2 years ?... why don't you or your husband go out now?..
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We can't have the vaccine because we aren't registered ( have a certain number ) with the French health system. The French Government in an address by the President issued directives from the French Health Ministry at the beginning of the SarsCov2 Pandemic and for people over 70 years it was required to isolate at home, this was before the vaccine was invented.

That directive was not changed here in France even after the vaccinations began to be available. Families have been cautioned to 'look after their elderly family' by the President several times in special broadcasts. I like Macron, he does his best with what he has to work with.

Just last week it was put over that All Unvaccinated People are to "stay at home until further notice.

Families were specifically asked to protect their elderly from the beginning of the Pandemic because here in France we are one of the worst countries in EU for a high death toll compared to just having Covid, and because almost all of those deaths are in people over 65 years of age it was thought they should be as protected as possible.

That has not changed in principle, so the advice since vaccines became available is still for people ( now I think it changed to people over 65 ) to stay at home as much as possible even with all of the vaccinating and the boosters. I guess they don't expect the high death toll in the elderly here in France to stop just because of the Omicron variant.

The latest French Travel requirements have now got the same rules, tests, and isolating mandates for both vaxed and unvaxed people.

Obviously they lost faith in the vax but governmental advice from Health Ministry is still to get the boosters.

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Alice November said:
We can't have the vaccine because we aren't registered ( have a certain number ) with the French health system. The French Government in an address by the President issued directives from the French Health Ministry at the beginning of the SarsCov2 Pandemic and for people over 70 years it was required to isolate at home, this was before the vaccine was invented.

That directive was not changed here in France even after the vaccinations began to be available. Families have been cautioned to 'look after their elderly family' by the President several times in special broadcasts. I like Macron, he does his best with what he has to work with.

Just last week it was put over that All Unvaccinated People are to "stay at home until further notice.

Families were specifically asked to protect their elderly from the beginning of the Pandemic because here in France we are one of the worst countries in EU for a high death toll compared to just having Covid, and because almost all of those deaths are in people over 65 years of age it was thought they should be as protected as possible.

That has not changed in principle, so the advice since vaccines became available is still for people ( now I think it changed to people over 65 ) to stay at home as much as possible even with all of the vaccinating and the boosters. I guess they don't expect the high death toll in the elderly here in France to stop just because of the Omicron variant.

The latest French Travel requirements have now got the same rules, tests, and isolating mandates for both vaxed and unvaxed people.

Obviously they lost faith in the vax but governmental advice from Health Ministry is still to get the boosters.

🐣🐣 🌲 🐣🐣 ❤️🌲❤️ 🐣🐣 🌲 🐣🐣
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Can they legally do this to people? Are there lawyers who could advise you what to do and help you? Staying in all the time is no life at all. :(
 
chic said:
Can they legally do this to people? Are there lawyers who could advise you what to do and help you? Staying in all the time is no life at all. :(
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I'm not at all unhappy staying at home and having groceries delivered. We live in a very densly populated urban area but we have very large windows, nearly floor to ceiling, high ceilings and a little balcony. It don't think it is illegal to go out. Most seniors in my neighborhood only go out for groceries. Several small shops are available within a few blocks. Most of the older folks wear masks.

France has a larger elderly population than most countries. People suffer more hospitalizations for lung problems such as the flu, pneumonia and lung cancer here than a lot of other countries.

The mandates and advice is appropriate for France, as all viral conditions are going to have an impact on hospitals during flu season in this country. Smoking is pretty comman as well, so there is that.

It's most unfortunate that the vaxed people feel so confident in going out and spreading Covid imo.
 
Alice November said:
I'm not at all unhappy staying at home and having groceries delivered. We live in a very densly populated urban area but we have very large windows, nearly floor to ceiling, high ceilings and a little balcony. It don't think it is illegal to go out. Most seniors in my neighborhood only go out for groceries. Several small shops are available within a few blocks. Most of the older folks wear masks.

France has a larger elderly population than most countries. People suffer more hospitalizations for lung problems such as the flu, pneumonia and lung cancer here than a lot of other countries.

The mandates and advice is appropriate for France, as all viral conditions are going to have an impact on hospitals during flu season in this country. Smoking is pretty comman as well, so there is that.

It's most unfortunate that the vaxed people feel so confident in going out and spreading Covid imo.
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I am Double vaxxed, and I wear a mask anywhere indoors while I'm out..in stores, malls, bars or where there's a deep concentration of people, and I'm still careful to keep a distance from people ..I don't feel as a vaxxed person I'm spreading the pandemic to anyone. If I felt like I was, I would have remained un-vaccinated..
 
hollydolly said:
I am Double vaxxed, and I wear a mask anywhere indoors while I'm out..in stores, malls, bars or where there's a deep concentration of people, and I'm still careful to keep a distance from people ..I don't feel as a vaxxed person I'm spreading the pandemic to anyone. If I felt like I was, I would have remained un-vaccinated..
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Holly, I think you are an exception. Where I am so many people are not careful. One of my major difficulties is just getting down the stairs which are narrow. Not everyone masks or cares about social distancing.
I'm sorry, my comment wasn't directed at you, as I am unvaxed I wish that people were not feeling so overconfident that because of Omicron, there is no more Sars victems.

I think time will tell if the pandemic is over and we can go on as we were.

Everyone be safe especially during the coming few weeks!

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Where I live, nearly everyone is vaxed, and literally everyone wears a mask when indoors in a public space. We have to, by law, but most of us would anyway. I wonder where the unvaxxed crowd is finding all these uncaring people who got vaccines and boosters themselves, but are deliberately walking around spreading the disease?

Sounds pretty much like a desperate, last-ditch rationalization to me. I haven't seen any such people, and I get around quite a lot.
 

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