A Question for Anti-Vaxxers

Mike

Mike

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I know that there are a few here, I don't mind what you do,
but I don't want this to turn into an argument, I would just
like answers to the following.

Keeping in mind that 61.6% in the US are vaccinated, whether
that figure is of the total population or just those available I
don't know.

Anyway that is a big number who believe that the vaccine is
a good thing, yet you are fighting against them, finding the
smallest slip and shouting about it, whether it is right, or wrong,
isn't taken into account.

Why the demonstrations against a life saving attempt, who are
you trying to convince that you are correct in your attitude,
yourselves?

Why demonstrate against the majority, who are still alive after
having several vaccinations, can you not see the error of your
thinking?

I know that some cannot, for medical reasons, have the vaccine,
but why do vegans shun it, there is nothing, "animal", in it, I am
told, also those who are against it for religious reasons, are also
misinformed.

So, I class you all here as friends, the "have had it" and the "will not
have it for any reason", I hope that you never come within a mile of
catching Covid, but just to make sure that you still think that you are
doing the right thing, stand in front of a mirror and ask yourselves
the same question, "why am I not taking the vaccine"?

Remember catching Covid in this life could mean 20 or more years
early in your next life.

I have had it 3 times and I am 80 years old.

Stay safe.

Stay warm.

Mike.
 

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I'm fully vaccinated and "boosted", but it's a decision I made for myself based on my own risk analysis. "Because everybody else is doing it" is a very poor basis for making almost any decision.

In the US, our commercial and public media sources are hopelessly biased, and at this time there's great (and justifiable) mistrust of government. Without straying into politics, I'll just say that I think that, along with social media "churning", has a lot to do with people's responses to vaccination.
 
My husband and I are both fully vaccinated. To me, I think it was better to be safe than sorry. My nephew that lives in Georgia got the covid was in the hospital for many months, had a double lung transplant and back surgery. Sadly he got it at the beginning of the epidemic and hadn't had a chance to get the vaccine.
 
Seems to me the problem is fewer people these days have any concern for how their 'choices' affect other people.
As it's become known that the vaccinations do not guarantee a person cannot contract covid, and masks do not protect the wearer, those who refuse to get vaccinated and refuse to wear masks put everyone around them in harm's way. It's much more than a healthcare 'decision' that only affects the person making the decision.
 
I am fully vaxxed, booster on 12/14. I believe that Numerous different vaccines and annuals like the flu shot have added immeasurably to the quality and LENGTH of my life.

The same people who reject vaccine mandates happily accept many others: carrying insurance, various license regulations, many others. I feel they are ignorant attention seekers trying to conceal their lack of understanding of science, and I resent them because they are putting others at risk, delay overall the return to less restrictive conditions, and still expect to be as well cared for as others who DID take precautions.
 
Geezerette said:
I am fully vaxxed, booster on 12/14. I believe that Numerous different vaccines and annuals like the flu shot have added immeasurably to the quality and LENGTH of my life.

The same people who reject vaccine mandates happily accept many others: carrying insurance, various license regulations, many others. I feel they are ignorant attention seekers trying to conceal their lack of understanding of science,
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My Daughter is far from an ignorant attention seeker...she feels that as an Intelligent 40 something , very fit and healthy young woman who has always taken great care care of her own health by exercising, and eating well, never smoking or taking drugs, and keeping slim , she has enough natural immunity to fight off any viral disease which may come for her, and its not necessary in her opinion to inject something into her body which has no history of after effects.....she doesn't shout it from the rooftops..In fact I believe I'm the only one aside from one of her closest friends who knows she has chosen not to be vaccinated. She adheres to the rules of the mandates, and wears masks etc when in public..
That's her decision .I'm fully vaccinated, .. and I have to accept the decision she's made for her own body , and pray that she's right.... ..
 
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We are fully vaccinated with the booster. A choice & understanding that the vaccine isn't 100% effective but is a deterrent. So far the information available is those that have been vaccinated some still contract the virus. But the duration is far less & the impact is less severe.

I don't see a need to promote use of the vaccine or opposing being vaccinated. I base that on information world wide about the devastating effect the virus & the variants. If a person knows the potential it's their choice.
 
Lawrence00 said:
Millions have natural immunity.
It is this superior protection that has been used to save the lives of many that covid hit the hardest.
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The American Red Cross recommends following the advice of CDC.org and or Ready.gov both of whom advise that vaccination is a wise idea. And although millions of people do have natural immunity, there are billions of people worldwide and millions of those billions do not have natural immunity.

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You mislabel those who don't want the vaccine as "Antivaxxers" to make them seem weird. No, my friend; they are not antivaxxers; they've had other vaccines. They just don't trust this one & don't trust the motives for pushing it. And don't trust the BS statistics, either. It's called "Thinking."

"A big number who believe that the vaccine is a good thing."
The best illustration of Sheep Mentality I've seen to date. Many people do something, so I should do it, too.

"you are fighting against them."
You are confused. You need to acknowledge who starts a fight. People who don't want the vaccine aren't the ones fighting. People who try to control others are the ones doing the fighting. And the insulting - which (of course) leads to retaliation. I'm not a fighter - unless someone starts a fight with me. Anyone who tries to force a vaccine, drug, or medical procedure on me is starting a fight & knows what they can kiss.

"Why the demonstrations against a life saving attempt."
Since you believe the vaccines are life saving, you are free to get them; just as others are free not to get them. Not everyone believes the vaccines are life saving. Their decision doesn't affect you, so it's not your concern. You are likely seeking validation for your decision & your confidence is shaken by others who don't make the same decision you make.

How long as Covid been here? Two years? I don't have it or I've already had it & am immune. I see no reason to risk my health with a vaccine I consider unnecessary. As I said, that's MY decision; it should have no effect on yours. I'm not asking you or anyone else not to get vaccinated.
 
Geezerette said:
I am fully vaxxed, booster on 12/14. I believe that Numerous different vaccines and annuals like the flu shot have added immeasurably to the quality and LENGTH of my life.

The same people who reject vaccine mandates happily accept many others: carrying insurance, various license regulations, many others. I feel they are ignorant attention seekers trying to conceal their lack of understanding of science, and I resent them because they are putting others at risk, delay overall the return to less restrictive conditions, and still expect to be as well cared for as others who DID take precautions.
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^^^^ Shining example of a programmed robot whose confidence is shaken by others who don't do as they do.
 
I didn't make up the label "Anti-Vaxxers", that was created
elsewhere and is used all over the media.

Mike.
 
I agree labeling people or worse yet making overly broad assumptions about people............ shows someone overly upset about other peoples business.
Regardless of a persons choice ..........once name calling starts........discussion is over.

Even if 62%......... i see these percentages rise and fall depending on angle of story coupled with those who have natural immunity ( go ahead and warn people that wears off... much like the shots) we should be in a good % .........but instead of saying ok.........
it seems as if some want everyone FORCED into the same decision they made ..... why ?

People would be thrilled at a 62% for flu shots not trying to identify every last person to brow beat into compliance.
Not trying to force private business to be enforcers and trying to FIRE or limit a persons ability to support themselves....... Does this seem rational?

I know many who took the shot as a patriotic thing or one for the team ...rah rah.......... but will NOT take continual boosters cause it did not work as well as sold. I wonder what those folks will be labeled ? ......... a smaller threat but still not on board need to be reprogrammed


Do not say no vaccine is perfect...... blah blah
I KNOW but other vaccines were not PUSHED by companies will pay you $$$$ ... some states gave people free weed if they got the shot...... this is not NORMAL reaction to entice people it is OVER the top.
 
I've been avoiding vaccine threads on this site because arguments have occurred. So please don't think I'm an anti-vaxxer, but like others here I also feel it's my choice and I have been worried about the safety of these vaccines as our family tends to have clotting issues. A cousin of mine was in ICU after she got vaccinated as they found a blood clot in her brain. I don't go around spreading it. I've been extremely careful due to health issues and always have used the mask from day 1.

I wanted to share a scientific article I read today about natural immunity from Covid. There are many more articles on this topic if you do a google scholar search:

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2101


This article talks about natural immunity if one has had Covid and how long this immunity lasts. I had Covid while unvaccinated, and so did my family members. We all survived. Only one was hospitalized (my mom). According to this article, I should have even better immunity than the vaccinated people. But this never gets discussed in the media. It's big taboo not to mention all these people that have become naturally immune to COVID. Why are these people not discussed? Political agendas and mandates should not be a part of managing our health. We are ultimately responsible for our bodies.

I may be wrong, and please correct me if I am (PM), but please do not attack me or others because of the choices we have made. :)
 
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CarolfromTX said:
Geezerette is missing the point. It’s not about mandates for insurance or licenses. It’s about what you can and cannot do with your healthcare. It’s being forced to take a vaccine you don’t want. It’s not about science. It’s about freedom of choice.
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So when intensive care fills up with the 98% unvaccinated for 2 weeks, keeping heart patients and cancer patients waiting, only to be intubated to the tune of a million dollars, my insurance company should pay for their right to be unreasonable, something so preventable? Or, is the government paying with money we don't have, bankrupting Medicare and Medicaid? Please tell me the unvaxed will pony up and do the right thing and pay society for their brilliant thinking. VISA or certified checks only, no personal.
 
Skyking said:
So when intensive care fills up with the 98% unvaccinated for 2 weeks, keeping heart patients and cancer patients waiting, only to be intubated to the tune of a million dollars, my insurance company should pay for their right to be unreasonable, something so preventable? Or, is the government paying with money we don't have, bankrupting Medicare and Medicaid? Please tell me the unvaxed will pony up and do the right thing and pay society for their brilliant thinking. VISA or certified checks only, no personal.
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so does that apply to people who do other things and take up care ?
Or as often happens some think it only applies to this situation ..

Examples:
Smokers who have lung or heart issues?
alcoholics insert issue here ...... Obese and any number of ailments?
 
Jeni said:
so does that apply to people who do other things and take up care ?
Or as often happens some think it only applies to this situation ..

Examples:
Smokers who have lung or heart issues?
alcoholics insert issue here ...... Obese and any number of ailments?
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If there were a vaccination with 98% efficacy, and they refused it, then yes. Unfortunately we don't have them. However, for this COMMUNICABLE pandemic we aren't asking people to change their entire lifestyle, just take a free vaccination to protect themselves as well as others who can't take it.
 
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